Monday, 2010-01-18

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[2010/01/18 05:04:05] <danielbln> is certificate fingerprinting implemented yet, as of 0.25.2?
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[2010/01/18 05:21:12] <duritong> danielbln: nope
[2010/01/18 05:21:44] <danielbln> alrighty, I'll have to wait for rowlf then
[2010/01/18 05:22:00] <danielbln> clients ask for that feature a lot lately
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[2010/01/18 05:22:13] <duritong> danielbln: #2839
[2010/01/18 05:22:13] <gepetto_> duritong: danielbln: #2839 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2839 "Puppet - Feature #2839: print fingerprint for certificates - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2010/01/18 05:22:16] <danielbln> ty
[2010/01/18 05:22:37] <duritong> danielbln: masterzen had implemented something and there some code on the list
[2010/01/18 05:22:47] <duritong> maybe it will be merged into it earlier
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[2010/01/18 05:23:44] <duritong> danielbln: you can also vote for the feature on the bugtracker and urge your clients to do so ;) or leave a note that it would be a handy feature to get it soon, etc. That won't mean it will get into puppet earlier, but it might happen
[2010/01/18 05:24:40] <danielbln> I'll get right on it :)
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[2010/01/18 05:49:04] <masterzen> duritong: danielbln: I think jamesturnbull has merged it to master (or maybe not, it is possible I never changed the bug status after Markus approval). It will be part of Rowlf.
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[2010/01/18 05:51:02] <danielbln> seems not to be merged yet
[2010/01/18 05:51:34] <danielbln> masterzen: btw. good job on the puppetdoc fixes, regex nodes display niceley now :)
[2010/01/18 05:51:36] <masterzen> ok, will update the bug status, and it will be merged to master then.
[2010/01/18 05:51:42] <masterzen> danielbln: thanks :-)
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[2010/01/18 05:58:21] <webx> I'm trying to see if I can figure out how to implement foreman. When following the steps on the installation page (http://theforeman.org/wiki/foreman/Installation_instructions) -- I get this when trying to initialize the db: http://pastie.org/782940
[2010/01/18 05:58:51] <webx> anyone happen to know what that means ?
[2010/01/18 06:01:11] * Volcane wonders what exactly puppetdoc wants in manifests
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[2010/01/18 06:02:06] <danielbln> please elaborate
[2010/01/18 06:04:38] <Volcane> yeah not getting it to produce any docs at all
[2010/01/18 06:05:28] <Volcane> and it has an option manifest-file
[2010/01/18 06:05:48] <Volcane> which if thats site.pp, and you use modules i dont see how that will help
[2010/01/18 06:05:56] <Volcane> so need to give it moduledir etc i would think
[2010/01/18 06:06:47] <Volcane> but it also just give me: unrecognized option `--force-update'
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[2010/01/18 06:09:41] <ohadlevy> webx: which os and version of rake?
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[2010/01/18 06:12:31] <danielbln> Volcane: what kind of output are you trying to generate?
[2010/01/18 06:12:47] <danielbln> puppetdoc --all --mode rdoc --outputdir /var/www/rdoc/
[2010/01/18 06:12:58] <danielbln> this is what I use to generate RDOC files
[2010/01/18 06:13:49] <Volcane> i think with multiple environments it'll need some help finding modules
[2010/01/18 06:14:23] <Volcane> cos that just gives me unrecognized option `--force-update' :)
[2010/01/18 06:14:33] <Volcane> 0.25.2
[2010/01/18 06:14:54] <danielbln> multiple environemtns might be it, I use a single environment and it interprets the puppet.conf module path just fine
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[2010/01/18 06:15:20] <Volcane> nods, i do have a default modulepath set to where it'll find them but no luck
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[2010/01/18 06:25:15] <z00dax> Volcane: fix the bouncing people!
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[2010/01/18 06:38:02] <jamesturnbull> #2839
[2010/01/18 06:38:02] <gepetto_> jamesturnbull: #2839 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2839 "Puppet - Feature #2839: print fingerprint for certificates - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2010/01/18 06:38:09] <jamesturnbull> gepetto_: help
[2010/01/18 06:38:10] <gepetto_> jamesturnbull: help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 9 plugins: debug, hudson, nickserv, redmineurls, rss, seen, shortenurls, time, tracurls; 79 plugins ignored: use help ignored plugins to see why (help <topic> for more info)
[2010/01/18 06:38:18] <ptman> riddle me this: can one test for existing files in puppet?
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[2010/01/18 06:38:41] <ptman> what I'm trying to do is to duplicate the functionality of a2enmod
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[2010/01/18 06:40:10] <ptman> so basically: [ -e /etc/apache2/mods-available/$modname.load ] && ln -s ../mods-available/$modname.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/$modname.load
[2010/01/18 06:40:17] <jamesturnbull> gepetto_: help
[2010/01/18 06:40:17] <gepetto_> jamesturnbull: help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 9 plugins: debug, hudson, nickserv, redmineurls, rss, seen, shortenurls, time, tracurls (help <topic> for more info)
[2010/01/18 06:40:19] <ptman> but some modules come with .conf files also
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[2010/01/18 06:43:39] <cultureulterior> Anyone know why 0.25 is not in lucid?
[2010/01/18 06:43:49] <jamesturnbull> cultureulterior: it's on the way
[2010/01/18 06:44:00] <cultureulterior> Thanks!
[2010/01/18 06:44:06] <jamesturnbull> cultureulterior: when 0.25.4 is released that'll be targetted for lucid
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[2010/01/18 07:14:15] <SyTonnerre> gepetto, 2839
[2010/01/18 07:14:18] <SyTonnerre> Hm
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[2010/01/18 07:26:23] <Volcane> #2839
[2010/01/18 07:26:23] <gepetto> Volcane: #2839 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2839 "Puppet - Feature #2839: print fingerprint for certificates - ReductiveLabs.com"
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[2010/01/18 07:31:56] <danielbln> \o/
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[2010/01/18 07:42:31] <ptman> ah, the creates-attribute of file lets me do what I want
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[2010/01/18 07:57:27] <jamesturnbull> #2839
[2010/01/18 07:57:27] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: #2839 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2839 "Puppet - Feature #2839: print fingerprint for certificates - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2010/01/18 07:57:38] * jamesturnbull has fixed the stupid bot
[2010/01/18 07:58:16] <jamesturnbull> masterzen: and yes - that's now merged
[2010/01/18 07:58:20] <Volcane> jamesturnbull: do you know when 0.25.4 will be released?
[2010/01/18 07:58:24] <jamesturnbull> masterzen: together with your rdoc fix
[2010/01/18 07:58:41] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: need to talk to markus about that - it's obviously sunday in the US
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[2010/01/18 07:58:56] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: or mondya morning
[2010/01/18 07:59:26] <tmz> Heh, you had me worried that I woke up early on the wrong day jamesturnbull.
[2010/01/18 07:59:41] <Volcane> oh yeah i am just thinking is it days or a week or what
[2010/01/18 07:59:46] <Volcane> have cronjobs to add :OP
[2010/01/18 07:59:51] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: week
[2010/01/18 07:59:53] <Volcane> ok
[2010/01/18 08:00:08] <Volcane> might suffer downgrading or running the rc
[2010/01/18 08:01:29] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: the rc1 fixes the issue obviously
[2010/01/18 08:01:34] <Volcane> yeah
[2010/01/18 08:01:50] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: I suspect 2-3 more fixes in a rc2 maybe or a release proper
[2010/01/18 08:02:06] <Volcane> ok
[2010/01/18 08:02:35] <Volcane> running from cron + bug = new boxes doesnt run puppet :)
[2010/01/18 08:03:45] <jamesturnbull> yeah
[2010/01/18 08:04:47] <Volcane> amazing, referer log spam for http://cukes.info/
[2010/01/18 08:04:55] <Volcane> wtf
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[2010/01/18 08:14:00] <masterzen> jamesturnbull: thanks!
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[2010/01/18 08:44:30] <marca> anyone experiencing issues with 0.25.2 since 0.25.1 that whenever I call a python command that uses subprocess the exec fails?
[2010/01/18 08:47:28] <danielbln> yes, there is something wrong with the way 0.25.2 evaluates exit codes
[2010/01/18 08:48:02] <danielbln> I don't know if this still persists in 0.24.4 though
[2010/01/18 08:48:05] <marca> actually, the exec does fail - but not if I execute it manually, only with puppet
[2010/01/18 08:48:07] <danielbln> err, 0.25.4
[2010/01/18 08:49:10] <marca> (selinux is disabled)
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[2010/01/18 08:57:12] <jamesturnbull> marca: that should be fixed in 0.25.4 when we release
[2010/01/18 08:57:40] <marca> is there a bug report to this? :)
[2010/01/18 08:57:50] <jamesturnbull> marca: about five
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[2010/01/18 08:58:52] <jamesturnbull> marca: #3013
[2010/01/18 08:58:55] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: marca: #3013 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/3013 "Puppet - Bug #3013: util.rb:execute broken on Ruby <1.8.3 - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2010/01/18 08:59:33] <jamesturnbull> marca: but in general related to some exec chnages in .2
[2010/01/18 09:00:08] <marca> alright, relieved then :)
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[2010/01/18 09:02:29] <fluxdude> I have changed my node def but it looks like the node is not picking it up properly and is defaulting to base instead
[2010/01/18 09:02:33] <fluxdude> any ideas on how to debug this?
[2010/01/18 09:02:45] <fluxdude> puppetmaster logs shows catalog compiled for hostname-blah.domain.com
[2010/01/18 09:03:12] <fluxdude> but it's using a node instead of the node matching the hostname of this node
[2010/01/18 09:03:25] <fluxdude> where the puppetmaster clearly sees the correct hostname looking at the logs
[2010/01/18 09:04:33] <fluxdude> running puppetd with --test --tags classname doesn't isolate the run to classname either, it runs the whole catalog
[2010/01/18 09:06:24] <fluxdude> restarting puppetmaster doesn't make any difference either...
[2010/01/18 09:07:11] <fluxdude> in the local yaml it doesn't look like it's picked up the right stuff either
[2010/01/18 09:07:20] <fluxdude> so the puppetd client is doing the right thing as far as it knows
[2010/01/18 09:07:45] <fluxdude> the puppetmaster must be at fault, it sees the right name, and node shortname { } is defined....
[2010/01/18 09:07:55] <fluxdude> but it's obviously using node default {} instead
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[2010/01/18 09:24:19] <chah> where is the right place to define a file which i like to delegate only to one node?
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[2010/01/18 09:32:07] <ohadlevy> chah: does it fit to one of your modules?
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[2010/01/18 11:12:50] <xerxas> Hi all !
[2010/01/18 11:13:15] <xerxas> I need a kernel that is not on repositories on a host managed by puppet
[2010/01/18 11:14:40] <xerxas> what would be the best practice to install that kernel on several hosts ?
[2010/01/18 11:14:47] <xerxas> when the hosts is fresh from install ?
[2010/01/18 11:15:04] <xerxas> creating a Exec with wget && dpkg ?
[2010/01/18 11:15:10] <z00dax> make a package, build your own private repository and use that
[2010/01/18 11:15:32] <xerxas> z00dax: ahh , right
[2010/01/18 11:15:47] <xerxas> creating a repository for just 1 package ;(
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[2010/01/18 11:16:17] <xerxas> is there a way to add sources.list entries in puppet ?
[2010/01/18 11:17:43] <Clint> besides a template?
[2010/01/18 11:17:44] <tmz> xerxas: Wouldn't you use a file in sources.d? (I'm not a debian/ubuntu user, so perhaps that's not something configured by default)
[2010/01/18 11:18:14] <xerxas> tmz: riht ;)
[2010/01/18 11:18:15] <xerxas> right
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[2010/01/18 11:19:06] <tmz> There was a fellow here working on an aptrepo native type. I don't think he's here at the moment though.
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[2010/01/18 11:31:07] <re__> I keep needing to delete /var/lib/puppet/state so that my puppet clients will work (I'm using puppet 0.25.1). the clients get into a stuck state thinking that they're running until I delete the state dir. anyone know if there's anything I can do to mitigate this problem?
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[2010/01/18 12:41:41] <zahna> so, i'd like to get your guys' opinions
[2010/01/18 12:42:50] <zahna> i'm setting up nagios in puppet. it needs apache, but i already have an apache module. would you guys have nagios include stuff for apache, or would you make a specific subclass of apache and include (for example) apache::nagios, nagios?
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[2010/01/18 12:51:46] <WALoeIII> did foreman become puppet-dashboard?
[2010/01/18 12:52:11] <z00dax> no, different things afaik
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[2010/01/18 13:55:57] <ashp> puppet, why are you breaking my heart :(
[2010/01/18 13:56:02] <ashp> anyone seen this before:
[2010/01/18 13:56:03] <ashp> err: //mcollective::client/File[/usr/libexec/mcollective/mcollective/agent/registration.rb]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/client/registration.rb Could not retrieve file metadata for puppet:///client/registration.rb: Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/client/registration.rb at /etc/puppet/modules/testing/mcollective/manifests/client.pp:8
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[2010/01/18 13:56:10] <ashp> I don't know it means that it's not authorzied to call find.
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[2010/01/18 14:01:46] <ashp> http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/2748 there's this
[2010/01/18 14:01:48] <ashp> but i'm not sure it's that :/
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[2010/01/18 14:16:41] <nitrogoldfish_> hello. so i just installed puppet, and i'm a bit curious about where to turn now for additional resources
[2010/01/18 14:17:11] <nitrogoldfish_> for example: how to actually manage a server with it, as opposed to simply checking a parituclar file's permissions/ownership
[2010/01/18 14:17:38] <Volcane> depends what u mean with "manage a server"
[2010/01/18 14:17:43] <Volcane> like what your needs are
[2010/01/18 14:18:01] <nitrogoldfish_> install packages, update config files, run shell commands... that sort of thing
[2010/01/18 14:18:05] <jb> yep, thats a very vague question :)
[2010/01/18 14:18:14] <jb> look at the example modules on the wiki
[2010/01/18 14:18:19] <Volcane> nitrogoldfish_: the basic approach is to build your machine with kickstart/fai to a base level
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[2010/01/18 14:18:42] <Volcane> nitrogoldfish_: then you define resources - see wiki:TypeReference - in classes and apply those classes to nodes
[2010/01/18 14:18:59] <Volcane> nitrogoldfish_: so you build up say a module for apache that takes care of installing and configring it
[2010/01/18 14:19:09] <Volcane> nitrogoldfish_: then one a node say web1.your.com you apply that module
[2010/01/18 14:19:11] <nitrogoldfish_> following link on doc pages for some recepies yielded this: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/tags?q=puppet%2Crecipe an empty search..
[2010/01/18 14:19:25] <Volcane> nitrogoldfish_: and a module would have packages, files, templates, perhaps a user, service definitions etc
[2010/01/18 14:19:33] <jb> nitrogoldfish_: http://reductivelabs.com/static_files/TypeReference.html
[2010/01/18 14:19:49] <Whoop> Hi all, I just upgraded puppet in Ubuntu using the latest debian package and I'm getting errors when starting that its unable to create a pid file - although its trying to create it in /var/run when the rundir var is set to /var/run/puppet in the config - any idea why its ignoring my config? It didn't with the previous version
[2010/01/18 14:20:12] <jb> Whoop: something in your init script overriding that?
[2010/01/18 14:20:59] <Whoop> Hmm yes, stupid thing >_< It creates /var/run/puppet then goes to use /var/run/ if its mongrel
[2010/01/18 14:21:02] <Whoop> stuuuupid
[2010/01/18 14:21:04] <Whoop> Thanks jb
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[2010/01/18 14:21:11] <jb> np
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[2010/01/18 14:21:17] <Whoop> I should stop breaking things at 7pm :(
[2010/01/18 14:21:21] * Whoop needs to go home :(
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[2010/01/18 14:28:08] <jb> doh, i broke foreman :/
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[2010/01/18 15:00:29] <ashp> this is so odd, now puppet is still broken
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[2010/01/18 15:12:22] <ashp> Is there any kind of decent ruby repo that works on RHEL that actually is maintained? Not sure who else might know other than you guys.
[2010/01/18 15:12:43] <joe-mac> rubygems
[2010/01/18 15:12:44] <Djeli> ashp: I used EPEL
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[2010/01/18 15:13:46] <ashp> joe-mac: I mean for things like ruby itself. EPEL ships 1.8.5
[2010/01/18 15:13:56] <ashp> Which is fine but now gems are requiring 1.8.6 or even 1.9.x
[2010/01/18 15:14:09] <ashp> I just had to dig up an old copy of rubygems-mysql because I can't build mysql now.
[2010/01/18 15:14:21] <ashp> I reinstalled ruby from scratch but now I keep getting this:
[2010/01/18 15:14:25] <ashp> err: //mcollective::client/File[/usr/libexec/mcollective/mcollective/agent/registration.rb]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/client/registration.rb Could not retrieve file metadata for puppet:///client/registration.rb: Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/client/registration.rb at /etc/puppet/modules/testing/mcollective/manifests/client.pp:8
[2010/01/18 15:14:34] <ashp> I never had this before and I don't know what the hell I broke.
[2010/01/18 15:15:15] <ashp> I have 0.25.3 so there shouldn't be anything odd going on.
[2010/01/18 15:15:29] <ashp> Nothing is in the logs for puppetmaster either.
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[2010/01/18 15:35:28] <ashp> I think I should just build my own ruby package then use gem to update everything to the latest. Hmm.
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[2010/01/18 15:41:41] <mdehaan> ashp, not packages across the board?
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[2010/01/18 15:42:34] <ashp> mdehaan: I don't know what you mean, that there isn't packages or I'm crazy to make them?
[2010/01/18 15:42:43] <ashp> Or you mean I only get that error on one thing?
[2010/01/18 15:42:51] <mdehaan> I would avoid using gem in something that is otherwise mostly managed by RPM, but that's personal preference
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[2010/01/18 15:43:10] <ashp> mdehaan: Well I think at this stage my best option might be to maintain my own repo of gems (using gem2rpm)
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[2010/01/18 15:43:22] <mdehaan> that would work
[2010/01/18 15:43:28] <ashp> With RHEL I'm getting further behind as it's only ruby 1.8.5
[2010/01/18 15:43:35] <ashp> I tried to install stompserver earlier and it broke everything
[2010/01/18 15:43:43] <mdehaan> I wouldn't want things hitting the public gem server, just because you wouldn't be very insulated from updates to them
[2010/01/18 15:43:56] <ashp> Ruby people are not big fans of backwards compatibility.
[2010/01/18 15:44:29] <ashp> I've been working on revamping my puppet environment from scratch so it might be a good idea to build myself a repo of ruby stuff
[2010/01/18 15:44:36] <ashp> I wish RHEL 6 was in beta. :)
[2010/01/18 15:44:53] <mdehaan> exactly. It might be a good idea for puppet to start hosting some of those RPMs for newer ruby versions, if they become required.
[2010/01/18 15:45:33] <ashp> Well, I was working on mcollective. I keep having weird issues with that and I suspect it's some outdated ruby stuff causing it.
[2010/01/18 15:45:50] <ashp> So it wasn't really puppet, but now my puppet is broken in an odd fashion despite reinstalling all ruby stuff.
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[2010/01/18 15:47:11] <BarnacleBob> is there a way to find the latest manifest version that a node has applied?
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[2010/01/18 15:47:34] <mdehaan> sounds like Func on a message bus. Some of us had talked about that. Neat.
[2010/01/18 15:47:57] <mdehaan> not sure I like machines showing up as base64 strings in the demo video though :)
[2010/01/18 15:48:00] <ashp> mdehaan: It looks awesome but I have nothing but issues :)
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[2010/01/18 15:48:39] <Volcane> mdehaan: i just didnt want to show my hostnames to world and dog :P
[2010/01/18 15:48:48] <mdehaan> ah, cool :)
[2010/01/18 15:48:58] <mdehaan> I thought that was some sort of UI decision. LMAO.
[2010/01/18 15:49:01] <mdehaan> sorry
[2010/01/18 15:49:09] <Volcane> nope, its live machines anonymised
[2010/01/18 15:49:10] <ashp> Volcane: Do you use the stock ruby on RHEL 5.4 or do you distribute your own ruby stuff?
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[2010/01/18 15:49:14] <Volcane> ashp: yes
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[2010/01/18 15:51:33] <ashp> I think I could win an award for strangest issues in an environment
[2010/01/18 15:51:42] <ashp> With a handful of machines I encounter more weirdness than buffy the vampire slayer.
[2010/01/18 15:52:10] <Volcane> mdehaan: http://pastie.org/783782 :P
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[2010/01/18 15:53:10] <mdehaan> rock. seriously, we wanted to do this, but I needed to clone myself first. That on RabbitMQ would be nice (easy to set up). How does it handle async ops?
[2010/01/18 15:53:29] <mdehaan> i.e. if you ran a long yum update, how do you see results from the CLI?
[2010/01/18 15:53:42] <mdehaan> polls?
[2010/01/18 15:53:51] <Volcane> mdehaan: i dont currently do/care for those, but its pluggable at the position where needed should I need it - but in that case it does basically:
[2010/01/18 15:54:02] <Volcane> 1 - discovery how many machines match the filter - this takes like a second
[2010/01/18 15:54:13] <Volcane> 2 - run the client, wait for discovered.size responses
[2010/01/18 15:54:17] <Volcane> 3 - show summary
[2010/01/18 15:54:32] <mdehaan> seems like you could broadcast the message to a topic channel and skip discovery
[2010/01/18 15:54:39] <Volcane> you could
[2010/01/18 15:54:43] <Volcane> but then when do you stop waiting?
[2010/01/18 15:54:55] <mdehaan> point. you don't want things having to respond "not me"
[2010/01/18 15:55:08] <Volcane> that and say you broadcast 'do this'
[2010/01/18 15:55:13] <Volcane> and you dont know how many machines you have
[2010/01/18 15:55:19] <mdehaan> with func we new the host count based on the # of certs we had
[2010/01/18 15:55:22] <Volcane> when do you stop witing for stragglers to check in?
[2010/01/18 15:55:29] <mdehaan> and IIRC security on message buses still mostly requires additional service layers
[2010/01/18 15:55:40] <mdehaan> so it just matched against the certs on disk (or in the "db", what have you)
[2010/01/18 15:55:42] <Volcane> yeah so discovery takes no time at all, so i can do that
[2010/01/18 15:55:47] <mdehaan> yeah
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[2010/01/18 15:57:08] <Volcane> mdehaan: nice using puppet providers in things like service and package plugins though - multi platform for free
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[2010/01/18 16:07:29] <chah> ohadlevy: it is a config of my module but only for one node.
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[2010/01/18 16:11:34] <gepetto> ::trac:: Wiki Start edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WikiStart?version=57
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[2010/01/18 16:16:35] <gepetto> ::trac:: Trac Wiki edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TracWiki?version=2
[2010/01/18 16:19:31] <duritong> jamesturnbull: ping
[2010/01/18 16:20:26] <ashp> http://pastebin.com/d701888ba that's what I get when it tries to run, so odd.
[2010/01/18 16:20:36] <ashp> I am guessing this is a .3 issue as I didn't have it with .1
[2010/01/18 16:23:57] <duritong> jamesturnbull: see puppet-dev
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[2010/01/18 16:37:29] <gepetto> ::trac:: Whos Using Puppet edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/WhosUsingPuppet?version=146
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[2010/01/18 16:40:56] <jY> info: /User[username]: Provider useradd does not support features manages_passwords; not managing attribute password
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[2010/01/18 16:41:05] <jY> the wiki says it supports passwords
[2010/01/18 16:41:24] <Volcane> also says you should install ruby-shadow
[2010/01/18 16:41:28] <elijahwright> you're probably missing the ruby-shadow bit.
[2010/01/18 16:41:35] <elijahwright> that's generally what causes that error. ;)
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[2010/01/18 16:41:58] <jY> yes i am
[2010/01/18 16:41:59] <jY> thanks
[2010/01/18 16:42:12] <jY> thanks!
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[2010/01/18 16:45:56] <LinuxCode> hehe jY
[2010/01/18 16:46:08] <jY> hello
[2010/01/18 16:46:11] <LinuxCode> Volcane, hey mate, btw classes in templates seems to work now
[2010/01/18 16:46:23] <LinuxCode> jY, puppetizing as well atm huh ?
[2010/01/18 16:46:26] <LinuxCode> ;-D
[2010/01/18 16:46:44] <jY> been using puppet for ages.. just the first place where we don't have ldap setup yet
[2010/01/18 16:46:51] <LinuxCode> Volcane, there was a ruby-libs update we pushed in Fedora, maybe that has something to do with the fact it now works
[2010/01/18 16:46:54] <jY> so first attempt at user management with it
[2010/01/18 16:47:02] <LinuxCode> jY, cool
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[2010/01/18 16:54:26] <gepetto> ::trac:: Recipes/ModuleSSHAuth edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Recipes/ModuleSSHAuth?version=8
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[2010/01/18 17:33:20] <ohadlevy> jb: what happened ?;)
[2010/01/18 17:34:25] <jb> ohadlevy: i upgraded, and it screwed up permissions
[2010/01/18 17:34:28] <jb> tis all good now :)
[2010/01/18 17:34:57] <ohadlevy> jb: does the email notification works for you now?
[2010/01/18 17:35:11] <ohadlevy> (or was that what you had in mind?)
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[2010/01/18 17:38:01] <jb> ohadlevy: haven't tried it yet
[2010/01/18 17:38:05] <jb> i will tonight
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[2010/01/18 17:46:45] @ Topic set by jamesturnbull on Wed Jan 13 23:27:44 -0500 2010
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[2010/01/18 18:05:23] <eric0> how's everybody feeling about 0.25.4?
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[2010/01/18 18:12:38] <re_> I keep needing to delete /var/lib/puppet/state so that my puppet clients will work (I'm using puppet 0.25.1). the clients get into a stuck state thinking that they're running until I delete the state dir. anyone know if there's anything I can do to mitigate this problem?
[2010/01/18 18:16:02] <Volcane> i remember a bug like that fixed
[2010/01/18 18:16:07] <Volcane> i think i remember anyway
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[2010/01/18 18:18:12] <eric0> re_: can you run it under --trace and see why they're dying? i have only seen that when i ^C in the middle of a puppetd run
[2010/01/18 18:19:28] <re_> Volcane: ahh ok cool
[2010/01/18 18:19:55] <re_> eric0: yeah, I already nuked the old state dir though. when it happens again i'll try that
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[2010/01/18 18:22:40] <eric0> there's only one file, too, you don't need to delete the whole thing -- 'puppetdlock' i think its called
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[2010/01/18 18:23:47] <ohadlevy> or puppetd --enable
[2010/01/18 18:23:49] <ppickfor> How do you specify a provider for the resources type to prevent warnings like 'User hpovadmin found in both user_role_add and useradd; skipping the useradd version'?
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[2010/01/18 18:26:13] <ohadlevy> provider => useradd ?
[2010/01/18 18:26:16] <ppickfor> Or is it because the provider useradd is inherited by user_role_add ?
[2010/01/18 18:26:52] <ppickfor> provider => on the resources type
[2010/01/18 18:27:00] <ppickfor> I will give it a go
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[2010/01/18 18:29:16] <ppickfor> Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Invalid parameter 'provider' for type 'Resources' at /etc/puppet/manifests/classes/base/default.pp
[2010/01/18 18:29:43] <ppickfor> Host localhost found in both parsed and parsed; skipping the parsed version
[2010/01/18 18:29:52] <ohadlevy> you should use it in the user resource statement
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[2010/01/18 18:38:34] <ppickfor> still the same
[2010/01/18 18:38:37] <ppickfor> User { provider => user_role_add, }
[2010/01/18 18:38:42] <ppickfor> and
[2010/01/18 18:38:56] <ppickfor> @user { 'hpovadmin': uid => '5600', ensure => 'present', gid => '5600', password => 'NP', home => '/opt/OV/', groups => ['jinstall'], keys => 'lock_after_retries=no', shell => '/bin/bash' provider => user_add_role, }
[2010/01/18 18:39:38] <ppickfor> should I raise a bug?
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[2010/01/18 18:44:12] <BarnacleBob> uhh
[2010/01/18 18:44:29] <BarnacleBob> you do know those have different values for provider right?
[2010/01/18 18:44:30] <BarnacleBob> also
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[2010/01/18 18:44:50] <BarnacleBob> also you have no comma after the shell
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[2010/01/18 18:45:02] <BarnacleBob> ppickfor, use a pastebin
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[2010/01/18 18:49:56] <ohadlevy> pastie, pastebin is annoying
[2010/01/18 18:50:03] <ohadlevy> IMHO
[2010/01/18 18:50:08] <Volcane> +1
[2010/01/18 18:50:20] <ppickfor> oops
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[2010/01/18 19:00:26] <tonyskapunk> Hi
[2010/01/18 19:03:04] <tonyskapunk> has anybody seen the following behavior:
[2010/01/18 19:03:04] <tonyskapunk> updating code from ${modulepath}/package/plugins/puppet/... and not seen the change in the clients?
[2010/01/18 19:03:45] <tonyskapunk> this happening in puppet-server-0.24.8-1.el5.1
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[2010/01/18 19:46:59] <ppickfor> daemon.warning http://pastebin.com/mdbf7939 bug or am I doing it wrong (solaris 10)
[2010/01/18 19:54:58] <ppickfor> how do I add ip4 and ip6 hosts for like localhost ::1 localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost 2 resourses dont work
[2010/01/18 19:55:04] <ppickfor> Cannot alias Host[hosts localhost] to localhost;
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[2010/01/18 20:11:41] <explody> is an smf service supposed to call "restart" or "refresh" when it has to refresh a service?
[2010/01/18 20:13:17] <explody> because it looks like it's always doing a "svcadm restart" rather than "svcadm refresh". "restart" triggers a stop+start, which in the case of the blastwave SSH, causes SMF to think the "stop" command timed out (which it didn't really), which then causes SMF to kill off all sshds 60 seconds later
[2010/01/18 20:13:59] <explody> this is probably something wrong with the service method script, but OTOH, shouldn't puppet be calling refresh and not restart?
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[2010/01/18 20:58:04] <jamesturnbull> explody: not sure - suggest asking on the -user list - martin england will know the shy of it
[2010/01/18 20:58:14] <explody> will do
[2010/01/18 20:58:59] <ohadlevy> isnt it the same like other providers?
[2010/01/18 20:59:02] <ohadlevy> e.g. by default restart
[2010/01/18 20:59:07] <ohadlevy> unless you specify a different command?
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[2010/01/18 21:20:02] <qweqweqwe> hiyas, I just want to know if there's much risk (than normal) opening puppet's port (8140 I think) to the internet?
[2010/01/18 21:20:16] <qweqweqwe> is it secure enough to do this? or should it be lan only...
[2010/01/18 21:20:40] <jamesturnbull> qweqweqwe: Puppet's uses standard SSL
[2010/01/18 21:21:15] <qweqweqwe> cool, so safe enough then? :-)
[2010/01/18 21:21:31] <explody> ohadlevy: probably is, but that's the problem. "stop" means something different to SMF than it does to openssh
[2010/01/18 21:23:12] <explody> ohadlevy: basically, when you tell SMF to stop something, it wants to kill the original parent and all the children (kill 'em dead). what happens is the smf module calls "svcadm restart <blah>" instead of "svcadm refresh <blah>". "restart" leads to a full stop+ start.
[2010/01/18 21:23:14] <ohadlevy> qweqweqwe: since its all managed hosts, you can create fw rules automatically if you have concerns :)
[2010/01/18 21:24:02] <ohadlevy> explody: then just use the restart command
[2010/01/18 21:24:25] <ohadlevy> e.g. restart => /usr/bin/svcadm sshd refresh
[2010/01/18 21:24:37] <qweqweqwe> awesome, thanks.
[2010/01/18 21:25:17] <explody> I can do that for my case, but there is a wider problem in that to svcadm "refresh" is analogous to "restart" as it's generally used on linux
[2010/01/18 21:25:57] <ohadlevy> explody: according to the type reference, smf provider ony supports start and stop
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[2010/01/18 21:26:16] <explody> nope, it also supports restart and refresh
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[2010/01/18 21:26:47] <ohadlevy> ah, sorry, wasnt reading the last part
[2010/01/18 21:27:00] <explody> could be that not all services implement refresh, maybe that's why...
[2010/01/18 21:27:21] <ohadlevy> than you could manage it with hasrestart or equiv
[2010/01/18 21:28:05] <explody> hasrestart didn't help, but specifying restart will work fine
[2010/01/18 21:29:17] <explody> the problem centers around SMF considering "restart" to mean "kill everything, start fresh"
[2010/01/18 21:29:32] <explody> which is a problem when you're restarting SSH
[2010/01/18 21:29:36] <ohadlevy> explody: isnt it up to the init script?
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[2010/01/18 21:30:24] <explody> ohadlevy: not with SMF. The "stop" command exits fine, but when all the children of the original parent daemon don't exit within a timeout period, SMF kills them off
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[2010/01/18 21:31:28] <explody> the problem in this case is the way openssh handles children... you know how you can kill/stop the parent sshd and all your other sessions stay alive?
[2010/01/18 21:31:44] <ohadlevy> yeah sure
[2010/01/18 21:32:01] <explody> well, SMF considers those children to be part of the stopping service
[2010/01/18 21:32:08] <explody> when they don't exit, it gets angry
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[2010/01/18 21:32:30] <explody> sunssh spawns children differently, they're all parented to PID 1
[2010/01/18 21:33:10] <explody> so the original sshd can die completely, satisfying SMF, then be restarted without interrupting anyone
[2010/01/18 21:34:41] <explody> in any case, I'm fine, I'm just wondering if the default way puppet uses SMF to restart a service should be different because of this
[2010/01/18 21:35:08] <jamesturnbull> qweqweqwe: firewall it obviously but if you are happy having https sites on the internet then Puppet is not different
[2010/01/18 21:35:53] <qweqweqwe> great - I'm very much looking forward to using this system (finally)
[2010/01/18 21:36:13] <qweqweqwe> I've just started at a place that uses it extensively, after years of begging other clients to use it :-)
[2010/01/18 21:36:34] <qweqweqwe> I want to put it on my own linux servers/desktops first though - to test my skills of course ;-)
[2010/01/18 21:36:48] <ohadlevy> qweqweqwe: welcome abord
[2010/01/18 21:36:53] <qweqweqwe> cheers!
[2010/01/18 21:41:25] <jamesturnbull> qweqweqwe: ditto - if you can share - who are you working for?
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[2010/01/18 21:44:09] <qweqweqwe> thanks all - I guess now I should get around to learning ruby too ;-)
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[2010/01/18 22:23:20] <jamesturnbull> qweqweqwe: Peter Cooper's Beginning Ruby is excellent
[2010/01/18 22:23:42] <qweqweqwe> ah thanks for that, will give it a go
[2010/01/18 22:26:13] * jamesturnbull discloses he knows Pete and he's a real nice guy too
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[2010/01/18 23:21:00] <qweqweqwe> jamesturnbull, and it's not $crazy like many IT books too :-)
[2010/01/18 23:21:16] <qweqweqwe> (I'm reading the intro on books.google
[2010/01/18 23:21:19] <qweqweqwe> )
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[2010/01/18 23:22:20] <qweqweqwe> I like the crazy cartoon intro too heh
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