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| [2010/01/21 02:03:55] <LoOoD> is there a way I can make puppet use "reload" (vs. stop/start) for a service when a file gets updated??? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:21:13] <nico> would running a 0.25.1 master & 0.25.3 client be a problem ? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:27:45] <Volcane> generally you should update master first | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:48:17] <ashok> Hi..i have a query regarding the puppet packages for ESX 3 server.... | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:48:23] <metabaronen> Hello puppeteers. Is there a way to limit how long time an external command is allowed to run? | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:49:15] <metabaronen> (got a problem where a apt-get never returned :-/ | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:49:15] <Volcane> metabaronen: you looked at the documentation i presume? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:49:49] <metabaronen> yes... but only found configtimeout and filetimeout | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:50:04] <Volcane> exec type has a timeout option | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:50:53] <majeru> can anyone give me a hand with puppet on centos? | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:51:11] <majeru> the iptables script has some problems, and I can't get it stopped | ||
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| [2010/01/21 04:51:21] <metabaronen> Volcane: ahh... but what about the packages class? | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:51:49] <Volcane> metabaronen: wiki:TypeReference | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:51:55] <Volcane> majeru: set hasstatus => true | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:52:15] <majeru> Volcane: thanks | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:53:09] <majeru> Volcane: that'll check for service's return value, right? | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:54:33] <metabaronen> Volcane: can't find any possibility to set a timeout for package installation | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:55:00] <Volcane> yeah dont think u can on package | ||
| [2010/01/21 04:55:55] <robinbowes> ohadlevy: ping? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 05:05:04] <metabaronen> Do you know if it's possible to do a "override" on the package class where I can add timeout ? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 05:07:05] <ashok> Hi , can anyone help me in getting the dependency issue problem while installing puppet packages such as ruby-ifx-libs-1.8.1-7.EL3.0.i386.rpm on my ESX server machine.... | ||
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| [2010/01/21 05:08:04] <ashok> the above package was built and was given to me sometimes back , and this seems to have some dependecny problem.... | ||
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| [2010/01/21 08:01:34] <timz> hello i try to run module i create, it has 2 classes, when i run puppet -v class1.pp then puppet -v class2.pp it work fine, when i run site.pp class1.pp has not run | ||
| [2010/01/21 08:02:32] <timz> include module::class1 and include module::class2 | ||
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| [2010/01/21 08:03:50] <timz> nevermind i stupid, fixed now | ||
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| [2010/01/21 08:20:25] <timz> hmm no it does not work, it works if i run one then the other | ||
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| [2010/01/21 08:26:39] <gnosek> hi all, I need a FM to R about puppet class load order or something | ||
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| [2010/01/21 08:54:55] <danielbln> new documentation | ||
| [2010/01/21 08:54:56] <danielbln> neat | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:00:02] <ZummiG777> Question: I am getting 70 machines that will have identical setups and near identical names. Is there a way to 'wildcard' node name like "node 'cluster*'" | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:00:25] <henk> ZummiG777: node default iirc... | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:00:27] <Volcane> 0.25.x can do regex on nodes | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:00:30] <henk> ZummiG777: check the docs | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:01:21] <ZummiG777> Thanks guys! | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:01:54] <henk> ZummiG777: rather listen to Volcane than me... | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:02:23] <ZummiG777> They were both good ideas! | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:03:50] <henk> ZummiG777: :) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:05:28] <mmitchell> i have a file that's pushed to the server from one module, but i'd actually like to change the content of the file in a different class. i get an error from puppet client saying that the resource already exists, is there a way to force this? | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:06:21] <Disconnect> gotta inherit the module that does the push and override it there. at the end of the day, you need one deterministic source for that file.. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:08:06] <mmitchell> Disconnect: I see. OK thanks! | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:09:08] * Disconnect is currently trying to find a way to untangle an inheritance mess like that. "if its part of the beta environment, it gets this config. unless its also part of the app-foo-test, in which case it gets this one with more memory." etc. its a royal pita. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:16:53] <Disconnect> anyone have tips on ec2 (well, private-cloud eucalyptus) with puppet? found http://edmund.haselwanter.com/en/blog/2008/08/26/automated-environment-puppet-iclassify-and-capistrano/ (perfect since its also got iclassify and we're still there :( ..) but its also over a year old.. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:26:40] <joe-mac> anybody seen this Could not call: undefined method `fact_merge' for nil:NilClass | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:44:06] <monachus> i'm now using exported resources in production and am seeing lots of this: No such file or directory - /var/puppet/yaml/node | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:44:06] <monachus> it seems to happen when two clients hit the puppetmaster at the same time | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:44:22] <monachus> of course, as reported everywhere i can find a ticket about this, /var/puppet/yaml/node neither exists nor is a configured path anywhere in our configuration | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:44:40] <monachus> but i haven't found any report of a solution. anyone have a resolution for this? | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:44:50] <monachus> or do i have to run 0.25? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:48:16] <joe-mac> why is START=no now the default in /etc/default/puppet for the .deb? i rolled out .25.3 yesterday and this has got me fuming | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:50:11] <tmz> joe-mac: Seems like best practice to ship packages with network daemons disabled. The fedora and epel packages are similar. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:50:35] <tmz> (Unless I totally misunderstand what START=no does, of course) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:51:04] <Volcane> debian rubbish | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:09] <joe-mac> tmz: yea that's what it does, except the file didn't exist in .24.8 afaict, or had start=yes, so when i upgraded all my daemons stopped workign | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:12] <Volcane> its now not enough to enable a service in rc anymore | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:15] <Volcane> or disable a service in rv | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:51:18] <joe-mac> nope | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:23] <Volcane> you also have to go edit some file to set that to true | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:31] <Volcane> total madness | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:34] <joe-mac> dude you should have seen me trying to get systat going | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:51:37] <joe-mac> fucking nightmare | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:52:01] <henk> some init scripts at least tell you where to look... | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:52:09] <tmz> Heh, that seems like a change worthy of a changelog entry in the package then. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:52:29] <joe-mac> tmz: you know what, io may be teh retard here let me check the changelog | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:53:18] <joe-mac> no i don't see the word default in there until way down for other stuff | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:54:21] <Disconnect> tmz: fwiw i'm not real amused with the recent packaging decisions across the board.. i spent 3 days trying to get a nagios script working, only to find that ubuntu ships with the weird embedded-perl thing. (and that thing has useless generic error messages) a note in the package desc would have righted me in minutes.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:54:37] <Disconnect> joe-mac: at least you can push out the new defaults file before the package update, if you didn't already do the update.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:55:08] <joe-mac> Disconnect: yea, i might even rebuild the package and change start to yes in there | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:55:11] <henk> Disconnect: that's not just ubuntu. debian as well and i think that's just the way nagios is... | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:55:13] <tmz> joe-mac: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-puppet/puppet.git;a=commit;h=24bc7d4d3c2446b79a8d17bd9e820fe62ad6eaeb (so it's a recent change) | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:55:34] <Disconnect> henk: to get ENP you need to set a compile flag and see a warning video... | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:55:48] <henk> joe-mac: i was just told that mainly maintainers who cannot ship a sane default config for the service do that to force the admin to configure stuff before the daemon actually starts. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:56:04] <joe-mac> henk: that is horse shit, if there is no key puppet does nothing | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:56:06] <joe-mac> it dies | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:56:12] <henk> Disconnect: huh? warning video? | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:56:22] <tmz> Disconnect: No arguments, changes to packaging should be in the package changelog or in some common README.$distro that every knows about. | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:56:24] <joe-mac> most people are going to be updating from .24.8 -> .25 | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:56:46] <henk> joe-mac: hm... afair puppet tries to contact a server called "puppet" by default, when there is no config, right? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:57:17] <joe-mac> yes, and if like most people you don't have ayuto sign, and it is the first run, there is no valid signed key, so puppet dies unless you have waitforcert | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:57:44] <henk> joe-mac: ah, right... yeah, then it doesn't really make sense :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 09:57:48] <Disconnect> tmz: fwiw i don't know if it was a change or not (it was a new script i was integrating) but still. if the maintainers fill the docs and the option with warnings -and- make it non-default because it breaks a ton of shit, maybe you should mention somewhere that its enabled.. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 09:59:30] <tmz> Disconnect: Sure. These are things to mention to the folks packaging things for your distro. They may be overworked and could use a hand. :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:00:08] <joe-mac> nigel did it, he might have good reason | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:00:13] <Disconnect> tmz: right now i'm too busy fixing stupid typos and C&P errors in ec2-init :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:00:13] <joe-mac> he's pretty sharp | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:01:32] * ohadlevy had a habit of rewriting the puppet init scripts, so no surprises arise on any platform i manage... | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:05:14] <tmz> joe-mac: The bug has the reasoning http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518831. Basically, it's for good practice. And since 0.25.x isn't in stable, the change seemed reasonable. Sounds fair to me. | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:05:29] <tmz> It also does look to be in the debian changelog. | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:06:17] @ Quit: littleidea: | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:06:25] <joe-mac> i still think this patch sacrifices the needs of many to satisfy the few | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:06:57] <joe-mac> i mean, if you don't have a cname to puppet, you're either doin it wrong, or in a very preliminary stage of choosing infrastructure management software, and you're opn a test machine, so, who gives a shit about log spam? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:06:59] <zahna> would any of you mind critiquing a define that says it's running correctly, but doesn't seem to be? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:05] <joe-mac> zahna: sure, pastie it | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:09] <zahna> sweet, thanks | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:07:28] <henk> joe-mac: what if you have a cname for puppet but want that particular puppet client to NOT use the server behind that cname? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:37] <Volcane> just dont set the thing to start in rc scripts like every other OS | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:40] <henk> joe-mac: and it seems the client does not just die, does it... | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:45] <Volcane> why add *another* layer of enable/disable knob | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:07:49] <Volcane> when one already works fine? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:00] <Volcane> its like debian policy of starting unconfigured daemons is bad | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:07] <Volcane> so instead of fixing the policy they make it worse | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:09] <Volcane> for everyone | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:26] <henk> Volcane: what's wrong about the policy to not start unconfigured daemons? o_O | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:38] <Volcane> no, they start unconfigured daemons | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:43] <joe-mac> exactly | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:44] <Volcane> nothing wrong with not starting unconfigured daemons | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:08:44] <zahna> Volcane: are you talking about having to enable something in /etc/defaults? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:09:06] <Volcane> zahna: yes - when enabling/disabling start up is the RC systems job | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:13] <tmz> And here I thought starting daemons by default went out of style a decade ago. | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:18] <henk> now i'm confused... | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:22] <henk> but nvm | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:29] <joe-mac> so now after we've already come to terms with the asshattery of starting daemons when you simple apt-get/aptitude install, now we have an arbitrary defaults file that you also have to set... did debian forget we have had init in unix for you know, longer th an i've been alive probably | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:41] <Volcane> henk: debian policy is to enable in rc *and* start the daemon during package install | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:47] <henk> Volcane: ack | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:09:51] <Volcane> henk: which means unconfigured daemons start up stupidly | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:09:59] <henk> ah right, got it now :) thanks | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:10:08] <Volcane> henk: so instead of fixing the massive idiocy in that plicy - they add a whole new way of preventing daemons from starting | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:10:15] <zahna> Volcane: i agree | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:10:29] <zahna> here is my define: http://pastebin.com/d2a191104 | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:10:51] <tmz> I'm sure filing a bug and debating policy on various lists for the next 5 years could get that changed. ;) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:12:03] <joe-mac> tmz: one time i top-posted on debian-users. i am proabbly still known by name and hated amongst the debian community | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:12:30] <ohadlevy> zahna: I dont think you need the extra quotes before a variable, but do you get any error? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:12:55] <tmz> joe-mac: Hehe. (Though I do really dislike top-posting myself. I just try to not reply to it.) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:12:57] <zahna> ohadlevy: i don't; however, the gems repo i disable isn't removed and the gem repo i enable isn't added | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:13:33] <ohadlevy> first of all, you set a default value of present, but you use enabled in the case statement | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:14:27] <zahna> oh no, i changed that in case, but not in the default assignment | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:14:49] <zahna> that bug never presented itself because i always set that variable | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:15:36] <zahna> since i do set that variable, that bug shouldn't be affecting anything | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:16:12] <zahna> syslog reports that my defines execute successfully; however rubyforge isn't removed and gemcutter isn't added. | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:16:24] <zahna> (i'm just using values from my current situation) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:17:20] <ohadlevy> check what happens in debug mode | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:17:58] <zahna> yeah, i'm trying to remember how to run in that mode | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:20:32] <robinbowes> Aha, Mr. Levy | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:20:57] <robinbowes> ohadlevy: Welcome! | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:21:09] <ohadlevy> hey robin | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:21:56] <robinbowes> I'm having troubles with foreman again | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:22:12] <robinbowes> Or maybe with stored configs - I'm not sure | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:22:17] <ohadlevy> whats wrong? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:22:41] <robinbowes> No classes listed | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:23:02] <ohadlevy> in where? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:23:49] <robinbowes> When I click YAML in foreman | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:24:13] <ohadlevy> did you associate the host to a class? additionally, did you import the classes into foreman? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:24:44] <ohadlevy> http://theforeman.org/wiki/foreman/External_Nodes#Import-your-environment-and-classes-setup | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:24:44] <robinbowes> You talked me through some stuff before | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:27:00] <robinbowes> I did that perviously | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:27:04] <robinbowes> Er, previously | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:29:04] <robinbowes> Now I have *some* classes, but there should be a lot more | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:29:38] <timz> my classes dont work when i run all of them, but one at a time works :/ | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:29:47] <timz> annoying | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:31:01] <ohadlevy> robinbowes: do you have all classes in modules? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:32:50] <robinbowes> Pretty much, yes | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:33:46] <ohadlevy> robinbowes: hmm.. then it should import your classes... if it cant find your modules, you can force the module path to look in | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:34:22] <robinbowes> Hmm, seems to be working OK now | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:34:39] <timz> how do i run a class named bar from site.pp (the class is in a module named foo) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:35:01] <timz> in init.pp i have a class named bar | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:06] <Volcane> timz: so the class is foo::bar | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:31] <timz> include foo::bar does that run the module? (through site.pp) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:40] <Volcane> it includes the class foo::bar | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:47] <timz> does that mean it runs it? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:49] <Volcane> which could be class foo { class bar { } } | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:35:55] <Volcane> or class foo::bar { } | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:36:10] <Volcane> the concept of 'run it' doesnt really translate well to puppet :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:36:25] <Volcane> just dropping an include in site.pp not inside node { } is not a great idea | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:37:11] <timz> if i run puppet -v myclass1.pp then puppet -v myclass2.pp it works fine, but if i try from site.pp nothing seems to happend | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:37:30] <timz> myclass2 complains because myclass1 has not run | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:37:38] <Volcane> need to include classes in node blocks | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:38:20] <timz> yes node default {include mymodule::myclass1 include mymodule::myclass2} | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:38:27] <timz> is what i have done | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:38:37] <Volcane> and thats your only node block or others too? | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:38:44] <timz> atm its the only one | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:38:50] <Volcane> and whats the error? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:39:30] <timz> myclass1 works, myclass2 complains about the files not existing (myclass1 creates some files which myclass2 needs) | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:39:54] <Volcane> ok, dont show the error | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:39:55] <Volcane> its fine | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:39:56] <timz> when i check what myclass1 has done the files dont exist, but if i run puppet -v myclass1.pp then myclass2 it works | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:46:38] <joe-mac> on top of the other silliness, the init script lists /var/run/puppet.pid or something similar to where the pid goes, yet isn't the default rundir for puppet /var/run/puppet, not /var/run? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:47:03] <Volcane> pid would probably go in the OS std location | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:48:24] <joe-mac> from the .25.1 package in puppet.conf: rundir=/var/run/puppet in /etc/init.d/puppet: PIDFILE="/var/run/${NAME}.pid" | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:49:15] <Volcane> you'll find that it runs puppetd --pidfile=.... no doubt | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:49:20] <Volcane> pidfile isnt there for puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:49:30] <Volcane> its so the rc system can know what to shutdown, verify its up, etc | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:49:40] <joe-mac> ok, cool | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:51:46] <timz> hmm my problem seems to be that i cannot run a class | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:52:07] <timz> if i dont contain my code in a class it works | ||
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| [2010/01/21 10:56:45] <zahna> so running in debug mode just showed my defines running "successfully" with more verbosity | ||
| [2010/01/21 10:56:53] <zahna> but my gems sources still aren't changed | ||
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| [2010/01/21 11:03:34] <joe-mac> i'm almost at the finish line of successfully buidling rails-2.2.3 for ubuntu 8.04 | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:04:03] <joe-mac> just thought i'd share that lol... hoping to fix those mysql disconnects | ||
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| [2010/01/21 11:06:19] <joe-mac> feeling good about this, as a side effect i will no longer have a hacky rubygems puppet class that wgets 1.3.5 and sets it up | ||
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| [2010/01/21 11:12:50] <zahna> joe-mac: why is it hacky? | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:13:12] <zahna> joe-mac: are your gems rpms? | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:13:15] <joe-mac> wget's a hardcoded url but onlyif /root/rubygems doesn't exist | ||
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| [2010/01/21 11:13:22] <zahna> oh, gotcha | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:13:34] <joe-mac> plus, i use teh debs | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:13:58] <zahna> oh, right, ubuntu, i'm dumb :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:14:40] <joe-mac> no, i think i'm the dumb one by that statement lol | ||
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| [2010/01/21 11:50:33] <timz> this is very odd, if i run myclass1 from site.pp it works fine and creates /testfolder but if i run myclass1 and myclass2 and myclass2 uses testfolder it does not work it says /testfolder does not exist. if i comment out include myclass2 then check if /testfolder exists its there, but if i uncomment include myclass2 it does not exist | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:50:43] <timz> i can make a example if youd like | ||
| [2010/01/21 11:50:47] <timz> but its pretty streight forward | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:18:12] <Jenza> There a good sudo module floating around? One that handles multiple different server types/classes | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:34:34] <zahna> what is the default cwd in an Exec? | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:34:58] <zahna> or rather, is there a good way to set cwd to the user's $HOME in an Exec? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:37:36] <chey> Hello, is it possible to run a shell command with puppet on my nodes? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:38:20] <Clint> yes | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:38:51] <chey> Clint: Could you direct me to some documentation about this or perhaps show me how? | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:40:18] <ohlolohlol> anyone know what's up with the dashboard? activity seems to have waned in the past weeks | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:41:52] <jb> chey: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:41:58] <jb> you want the "exec" function | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:42:18] <jb> ohlolohlol: i was thinking the same thing.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:45:24] <ohlolohlol> :( boo | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:50:35] <chey> jb: ok, i tried; exec { "echo test": } but i get 'could not create 'echo test'' | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:51:52] <chey> jb: Got it working thanks | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:53:23] <bitfield> chey: here's an example of a more complicated exec: http://pastie.org/788511 | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:55:12] <jb> bitfield | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:55:13] <jb> :P | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:55:24] <jb> quick to tweet, huh. | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:56:12] <bitfield> no offence intended, just made me chuckle | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:56:19] <chey> bitfield: cool | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:56:36] <chey> gave me future ideas | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:56:50] <whack> bitfield is your local irc-twitter proxy | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:57:41] <chey> twitter? | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:57:57] <chey> url? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 12:58:08] <whack> I was making a joke :( | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:58:44] <chey> thats whack | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:59:43] <zahna> can exec utilize environment variables? | ||
| [2010/01/21 12:59:45] <thansen> how 'easy' is it with puppet to create a 'repository' if config files and get them blasted out to multiple servers? I'm totally new to puppet.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:00:00] <thansen> repository *of* | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:00:22] <fsweetser_> thansen: quite easy - you'd use the file type for that | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:00:30] <jb> yep, just use the file type | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:01:05] <jb> thansen: http://pastie.org/788520 | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:01:16] <thansen> and I'd need to do that for every 'file' or that could be for a whole dir getting synced down? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:01:44] <jb> thansen: in that example, the "English" directory contains several files.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:01:49] <jb> just use recurse => true | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:02:08] <thansen> that's a config on the client side, or server side? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:02:30] * thansen presumes client | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:03:15] <Volcane> thansen: all the config - usually - lives on the master server, it compiles it and serves it up to the nodes. nodes run it and fetches files from the master based on the compiled catelog. there's other models but thats the most common | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:05:03] <Volcane> oh it just changes the top and bottom theme of the browser | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:05:07] <Volcane> oops, wrong # | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:07:30] <thansen> Volcane: perfect, so I define that config on the 'puppet master' and then point each puppet client to the master and changes in config on master get auto synced down? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:07:47] <Volcane> yeah the nodes wake up regularly and fetches new config | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:07:48] <thansen> changes in the config that is, not the fs defined in the file | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:07:49] <Volcane> its not a push model | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:08:13] <Volcane> you get other modes where u can use rsync or whatever to deliver the puppet code and run locally but its not hte norm | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:08:31] <thansen> there is no way to send a signal for all to pull though? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:08:48] <Volcane> there's a command puppetrun that can connect to them | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:08:58] <Volcane> but doing a run is pretty cpu intensive both on the client and the master | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:09:10] <Volcane> so u need to stagger them if you have a number of machines | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:09:25] <thansen> ok, I want to be able to up php code and keep it in sync immediately | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:09:42] <Volcane> puppet is more in the space of configuring vhosts and apache | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:09:47] <Volcane> and not so much about deploying code | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:10:07] <Volcane> deploying code usually have unique problems | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:10:08] <thansen> should I use cfengine or something for that? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:10:26] * thansen is trying to decide what to go with here long term | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:10:28] <Volcane> depends how immediate u want it | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:10:53] <thansen> how immediate I want the solution? or the code updated? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:11:00] <Volcane> your php updated | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:11:21] <thansen> not a super rush, I just need them to all sync at the same time | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:11:33] <Volcane> at the *same* time? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:11:56] <thansen> well, not minutes apart | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:11:58] <Volcane> or can they stagger and say within 30 minutes all run it | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:06] <thansen> yeah, I don't want that | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:12] <Volcane> and how may nodes? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:25] <thansen> just a handful | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:37] <thansen> 5 - 10 is all | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:38] <thansen> for now | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:39] <Volcane> k, well in general this isnt what config management tools do | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:12:50] <thansen> ok | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:53] <Volcane> like you'd use puppet/cfengine/chef whatever to set up the apache's | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:55] <Volcane> add users | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:12:56] <Volcane> vhosts and such | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:13:07] <thansen> ok | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:13:09] <Volcane> but then you'd use some orchastration tool to maybe trigger a rsync of your code | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:13:12] <bitfield> thansen: what files do you want to sync to the clients? could they mount a network share instead? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:13:42] <thansen> bitfield: that's the idea, but I want local copies on each machine for redundant access | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:13:43] <Volcane> and orchastration tools are are like func, capistrano, fabric, etc orput all on a SAN and serve that up | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:14:10] <thansen> func is the name of an app? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:14:23] <Volcane> nods, a redhat project | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:14:51] * thansen finds it | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:15:34] <bitfield> volcane's rsync suggestion might be the best - you could just run it out of cron; keep the machines in clock sync with ntp | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:16:13] <thansen> func looks great for what I'm after | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:17:15] <thansen> does anyone have a 'preference' from the func/capistrano/fabric bunch? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:17:27] <Volcane> thansen: you can also look at mcollective which is somehting i write | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:17:39] <Volcane> but probably a bit heavy on requirements for just 10 machines | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:18:45] * thansen watches video | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:03] <Volcane> hope my accent isnt too bad, ppl have asked for subtitles :P | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:13] <thansen> lol, I kinda liked it :D | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:46] <thansen> where are you from? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:51] <Volcane> south africa | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:58] * thansen nods | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:19:59] <Volcane> with lots of traveling and moving about | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:20:23] @ Guest72491 is now known as Filbert | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:20:36] <thansen> before I quit working at Novell I hosted a group from SO for a couple weeks | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:21:30] <Volcane> we're everywhere like a bad weed | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:23:01] <thansen> nah, a good weed...good people down there :D | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:23:19] * thansen can't remember the name of the cell company now | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:23:28] <Volcane> mtn, vodafone or cell-c | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:23:41] <thansen> vodafone | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:24:32] <Volcane> oh sorry they're vodacom there not vodafone | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:25:19] <thansen> what are the deps for mcollective? is it distro dependant? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:25:43] <Volcane> no you just need to run a middleware server | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:25:48] <Volcane> pretty easy if you dont object to java | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:25:58] <Volcane> if your on rhel its all packaged up in rpms | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:26:28] <Volcane> have debs too though not of the middleware i think | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:28:28] * thansen running gentoo | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:28:41] <Volcane> ah someone is making gentoo packages | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:28:52] <Volcane> he was going to let me know when he was done | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:29:29] <Volcane> but its fairly light, coupla ruby files, 1 gem and then activemq (or small sites there's a ruby one called stompserver) | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:29:33] <Volcane> not sure if any of those are avil | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:29:46] <Volcane> anyway, u should come to #mcollective so we dont totally side track #puppet :P | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:30:06] * thansen thinks func will do the trick best | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:30:15] <thansen> a combo of that with puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:30:31] <Volcane> nods, for 5 or 10 hosts those kind of things are great | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:30:42] <Volcane> func though also have daemons and stuff, where capistrano is just over ssh | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:33:19] <lero> hi. anyone have an idea what's happening with this cron manifest? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:33:21] <lero> http://dpaste.com/148531/ | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:33:39] <Volcane> 0.25.3 has a bug :( | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:33:47] <Volcane> fixed in 0.25.4rc1 or rc2 | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:37:50] <lero> :/ | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:38:17] <himynameisthor> I've started seeing 'Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: wrong header line format' every time i try to puppetd --test, any ideas where to start troubleshooting? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:38:34] <himynameisthor> 0.25.0 on client and server | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:42:28] <rmt> The best way to install a recent puppet+puppetmaster on ubuntu.. having an issue when installing the deb's from debian unstable.. /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/puppet/application/puppetmasterd.rb:40:in `run_preinit': undefined method `new' for Puppet::Daemon:Module (NoMethodError) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:43:48] <rmt> The line in question being "@daemon = Puppet::Daemon.new" .. which, with my limited understanding of Ruby, should instantiate the Puppet::Daemon class.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:45:21] <monachus> i'm getting "Rails is missing" on one of my puppetmasters, but rails is not missing. I've tried installing from portage and installing from the gem. Is there a magic incantation i forgot to recite? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:45:37] <monachus> i feel like i'm being relentlessly driven toward 0.25 | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:45:57] @ Quit: lak: | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:48:33] <monachus> aha. it's because i'm a fool! yet again! | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:48:38] <monachus> dammit. | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:48:46] <lero> Volcane: it just f* creating new ones right? i looked at other servers and my cron's are fine | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:48:55] <Volcane> lero: yup :( | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:49:05] <lero> thanks god :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:49:09] <Volcane> or maybe changing existing ones too i didnt try | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:49:50] <Whoop> Hmm, I attempt to add puppet to a new machine, sign the cert and then run puppetd --test and get err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: undefined method `fact_merge' for nil:NilClass | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:50:08] <Whoop> Anyone any idea why? I don't get that problem with existing hosts that have already run a full run | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:53:50] <Norm> i use "node default { ... }" to include a class onto the vast majority of my servers. is there a way to selectively add a particular class if the result of some command is true? | ||
| [2010/01/21 13:54:05] <Norm> sort of like the "onlyif" clause on exec, but be able to apply a number of types if that clause returns true | ||
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| [2010/01/21 13:54:57] <Norm> case statement? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 14:16:14] <monachus> k - it's not that i'm a fool. i thought it's because i'm running 0.24.8 and had rails 2.2.3 installed instead of 2.2.2, but with 2.2.2 it still claims rails is not installed. | ||
| [2010/01/21 14:16:23] <monachus> an the other puppetmaster it's fine. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 14:24:25] <fsweetser> monachus: strictly speaking, it's actually looking for activerecord, not rails | ||
| [2010/01/21 14:24:47] <monachus> hmmm...k. i'll see if there's any other ruby kruft laying about | ||
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| [2010/01/21 14:32:38] <monachus> fsweetser: thanks. that was it. there were copies of activerecord and friends installed from 2.2.2 and 2.3.5. removing 2.3.5 sorted it. | ||
| [2010/01/21 14:34:55] <fsweetser> no prob | ||
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| [2010/01/21 14:40:30] <joe-mac> there is no su ch thing as rails if you're going to look at it like that.... rails is just what they call the collective ... something that is activerecord and the other active whatevers | ||
| [2010/01/21 14:40:52] <joe-mac> i guess you'd call it a package of libraries that make up a framework, idk | ||
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| [2010/01/21 14:54:15] <Whoop> Hmmm, what happened to http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/attachment/wiki/UsingStoredConfiguration/kill_node_in_storedconfigs_db.rb | ||
| [2010/01/21 14:54:19] <Whoop> Anyone have an alternative? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:19:19] <KarlHungus> hrm. i need advice. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:20:27] <KarlHungus> if i have a brand new node that includes my mysql module it often time will install mysql before my yum module is compiled and run | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:20:54] <KarlHungus> and since i use ensure => "installed", the node is left with an old copy of the mysql binaries. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:20:59] <ptman> Require | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:21:36] <ptman> http://reductivelabs.com/static_files/TypeReference.html#available-metaparameters | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:21:40] <ptman> require, before | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:22:16] <KarlHungus> both will fail, ptman | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:22:23] <KarlHungus> because yum is compiled *after* mysql | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:22:52] <KarlHungus> the problem is the order that modules are compiled not being consistent | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:23:01] <jbooth> Requires aren't resolved until the whole configuration is loaded. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:23:18] <jbooth> Otherwise they'd be useless | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:23:43] <ptman> KarlHungus, you can also ensure => latest, but requires really should work when used correctly | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:23:46] <KarlHungus> jbooth: not useless. i use require and beofre within the same module often | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:24:00] <KarlHungus> ptman: yeah, i'm not going to ensure latest =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:24:08] <KarlHungus> let me experiment with the require | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:24:31] <jbooth> I use require cross modules all the time and it works fine for me | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:24:33] <himynameisthor> i noticed puppet started running especially slowly after i had it ensuring homedirs were recursively owned by the correct user. the debug output looks like it's doing the equivalent of a find, then chowning individual files. is there any way to override that behavior to just call chown -R? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:25:04] <KarlHungus> jbooth: right, i'll check, i'm just a bit concerned about things ending up heavily coupled | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:25:19] <KarlHungus> however, that being said... a dependency is a dependency | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:26:54] <Norm> i've got an exec {} that is subscribed to a file {} clause. for some reason, my exec is getting triggered even though the file doesn't need updating | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:26:57] <Norm> any ideas? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:27:30] <ptman> exec refreshonly ? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:28:06] <Norm> ptman: ahh, that's what i'm looking for, thanks! | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:28:55] <joe-mac> hey masterzen you around? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:29:59] * jbooth has abandoned Linux distros for not recognising the simple fact of dependencies. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:30:17] <ptman> jbooth, which ones? all of them? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:30:43] <jbooth> Lunar in this case. I think it was gnome or maybe firefox that didn't have a depend to X. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:31:15] <jbooth> I submitted a bug correction which got dismissed. I left for greener pastures pretty quick. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:31:55] <ptman> I'm always amazed at how well debian fits me, or maybe it's just me that has grown to fit debian | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:32:18] <jbooth> Likely. I ended up on ubuntu so things "just work" but I think what annoys me are debianisms. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:32:26] <joe-mac> ubuntu sucks | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:32:30] <joe-mac> use LTS and yuo're fucked | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:32:34] <joe-mac> don't and you're upgrading all the time | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:32:40] <ptman> I really should get some experience with rpm-distros (fedora, centos), I'm totally helpless with them | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:33:56] <jbooth> yum's UI is much better than debian's apt. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:34:20] <ptman> maybe, I'm just used to aptitude's curses-ui | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:34:24] <jbooth> I'll probably someday get used to apt but having one command to rule them all is so much nicer. | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:35:25] <KarlHungus> yum seems to have better dependency support, but it is considerably slower and RHEL is well... crappy? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:35:26] <uphillian> hmmm, never tried yum on an apt system, does that work? apt seems to suck for simple things I can do with rpm like rpm -qf /some/random/file | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:35:43] <KarlHungus> ports have been kind to me | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:35:44] <ptman> I've used apt on an rpm system =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:35:53] <ptman> linox 3.0, I think | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:36:05] <ptman> I worked at Nokia an that was their internal redhat fork | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:36:10] <uphillian> @ptman that sounds masochistic | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:36:29] <ptman> it was quite terrible, yes | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:41:19] <SlimG> When running puppetd in the Verifying section of the http://docs.reductivelabs.com/guides/installation.html guide on a Ubuntu 9.10 server I get the following error: Could not find file /etc/puppet/manifests/site.pp | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:41:47] <SlimG> I've confirmed that this file lacks, how should I go about getting/generating one? | ||
| [2010/01/21 15:42:27] <ptman> SlimG, http://docs.reductivelabs.com/guides/installation.html#create_your_site_manifest | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:42:45] <ptman> same document, just read a bit more carefully | ||
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| [2010/01/21 15:45:43] <SlimG> thanks ptman, *fetches the dunce cap* | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:12:49] <KarlHungus> hrm. so for before and require. how would i go about ensuring that 'yum' runs before anything else? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:15:30] <joe-mac> KarlHungus: in .25.4 there is a new pre_run command or something like that | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:15:31] <KarlHungus> without doing something like require => Class["yum"] in all of my other modules? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:15:37] <joe-mac> so before every puppet run, that gets run | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:15:53] <KarlHungus> if requiring a class is even possible | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:16:15] <jbooth> I haven't kept up on changes; is there anything in 0.25 that looks like taking care of firewall/iptables rules? I see updates to the stanford version, but that doesn't quite do what I need. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:16:44] <jbooth> KarlHungus: Package { require => Yumrepo["whatever"] } is how I do it. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:17:18] <KarlHungus> jbooth: for *all* package resources? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:17:39] <jbooth> KarlHungus: as a side benefit I can only cnofigure the repos I need on a box, but yes I stick it in each module that wants something that (might) be in a repo. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:17:55] <jbooth> KarlHungus: well, I do it once in each file. Not per package line. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:18:24] <KarlHungus> hrm. that feels extremely redundant, but i understand your logic | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:19:21] <KarlHungus> perhaps i should have all classes inherit a common base class that defines some nonsensical package with a requirement directive for my custom repo | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:20:43] <jbooth> KarlHungus: I find it useful, but I'm targetting both fedora and rhel. So for things like, say, puppet... rhel needs an epel repo. Fedora needs nothing. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:20:57] <KarlHungus> jbooth: btw, i'd love to chat about firewall rules | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:21:16] <jbooth> Case $operatingsystem ... Package { require => } defines it for all your later package { foo: ensure => present; } lines | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:21:41] <KarlHungus> jbooth: well, me too, but i maintain local mirrors of the base repos, and anything from a third party repo (epel, rpmforge, dries, etc) gets copied into my personal repos | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:22:26] <jbooth> KarlHungus: You'd probably like me to finish up my firewall type | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:22:37] <lwhalen> alright, I've been all over reductivelabs.com, and I just can't find an example of using regular expressions for node-names | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:22:46] <KarlHungus> i guess... i have a pretty simple way of handling firewall rules | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:22:48] <lwhalen> can someone hook me up with the (probably PAINFULLY obvious) link? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:23:06] <Volcane> lwhalen: wiki:LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:23:07] <gepetto> Volcane: lwhalen: wiki:LanguageTutorial is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:23:17] <lwhalen> oh its in the LANGUAGE tutorial | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:23:22] <lwhalen> *headdesk* | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:23:24] <lwhalen> thanks man | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:23:36] <Volcane> obviously :P | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:25:23] * fsweetser happens to be banging his head of iptables rules right now... | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:25:48] <lwhalen> oh really? I've been living in iptables-hell for the last week or so, a lot of stuff is fresh in my skull | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:25:57] <lwhalen> if you need a hand, drop me a /msg | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:26:00] <KarlHungus> jbooth: my iptables solution uses fragments and a common header/footer | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:26:14] <fsweetser> I have a file fragments solution that's workable | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:26:44] <fsweetser> now I just have to go through and verify the generated stuff against the previously existing rules that have accreted over time | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:09] <lwhalen> dare I ask how big a given WPI ruleset is? :-p | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:14] <lwhalen> I can only imagine... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:20] <jbooth> KarlHungus: I had a solution like that that worked, but it isn't pretty -- one of my goals is to be able to "yum remove puppet" and have the system look sane to a new administrator. And the "leftovers" from the fragments are *not* sane and likely to confuse. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:34] <fsweetser> it's not that bad, really - these are just the host firewall rules for our handful of servers | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:42] <lwhalen> ahh ok | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:27:55] <Volcane> jbooth: if u put the fragments in like /var/lib/puppet/somewhere it should not be too confusing at least? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:21] <jbooth> Volcane: my solution used /tmp but it was fragile, so... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:28] <Volcane> yeah /tmp is a bad idea | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:36] <jbooth> Oh that wasn't why it was fragile. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:41] <KarlHungus> i was going to say exactly what Volcane said =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:46] <Volcane> fragments get deleted, files get rebuilt, services get notified unexpectedly | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:28:53] <KarlHungus> the new admin should only see the resulting concat'ed file | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:29:15] <fsweetser> I created an /etc/sysconfig/iptables.d, so it should at least give the new admin a strong hint what's going on =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:29:25] <Volcane> yeah same | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:29:34] <jbooth> It actually intentionally rm'd the /tmp directory at the end of the run -- leave no trace! | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:29:53] <Volcane> so it ran every run? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:30:06] <jbooth> fsweetser: but not when the machine has left my control... and thus is de-puppeted. Now they edit something in iptables.d and magically it never updates the system. Then they come whine at me. :-P | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:30:26] <KarlHungus> tmp is periodically flushed anyhow if the system hasn't disabled that cron job | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:30:30] <jbooth> Volcane: yep. But it did smart things with cat to generate a file which it tried to copy, checksummed, and found equal, so did nothing. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:30:40] <fsweetser> jbooth: true, it's not a perfect solution, though we don't have to worry about that particular case here | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:31:02] <KarlHungus> well, thats why i like what volcane said about putting fragments in /var/lib/puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:31:11] <jbooth> fsweetser: Some of my rules and constraints are very strange, but that's the nature of my group. :-) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:31:21] <KarlHungus> have yum remove puppet rm that dir and no fragments are left to find. just the final concat'ed file | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:31:31] <Volcane> since puppet now has regex i was going to put them like /some/obvious/puppet/related/place/etc_sysconfig_iptables.d | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:31:32] <fsweetser> it would be a very strange sysadmin who didn't have to deal with anything strange =) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:32:10] <jbooth> KarlHungus: it wasn't the *location* I picked that was the issue, it was the whole process of generating rules... more specifically trying to *edit* the rules that exist so I don't break something which might be there when I inherit a machine. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:32:21] <jbooth> fsweetser: grad students. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:33:20] <jbooth> fsweetser: while I am of the opinion that professionals should run machines not grad students, I'm also not in a place to impose my will upon the university. :-P | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:33:28] <fsweetser> back when we had coax networking here, we routinely had to "fix" grad student areas by removing extra tees and terminators they found lying around and decided to plug in... well, just because | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:33:29] <KarlHungus> jbooth: hrm. i admit i'm confused. i thought you were worried about when you disinherited the machine and removed puppet (thus relinquishing your control) and left it to a new admin | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:33:31] <jbooth> (speaking as a former grad student who had to do so) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:33:41] <jbooth> Well, both really Karl. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:34:02] <jbooth> I get machines... run by a grad student... and have to be able to give them back to grad students... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:34:10] <KarlHungus> ok. yeah. moving a functioning machine into puppet management can be a real challenge | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:35:07] <KarlHungus> does augeus handle iptables config? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:35:34] <fsweetser> yes, I believe so | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:35:51] <uphillian> really? i don't remember a lens for that | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:35:54] <jbooth> ummm... I don't think it did. At least not when I last looked at it. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:36:08] <fsweetser> yep, it does - just checked augtool | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:36:16] <uphillian> cool | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:36:18] <jbooth> Also the puppet->aug interface is ... cumbersome. Aug really wants you to be able to do things like, you know, loop. Or count. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:36:26] <fsweetser> ls /files/etc/sysconfig/iptables/table/ produces results | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:36:28] <jbooth> It wasn't designed for a declaritive control language | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:36:38] <KarlHungus> it would be quite interesting to have puppet generate all of its conf files in a tmp location and diff them against the existing configs. sort of a 'dry-run' mode where you can inspect things manually (or via diff, etc) for major differences | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:37:11] <fsweetser> KarlHungus: 0.25.4 had some pre and post transaction hooks that might do that | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:37:27] <fsweetser> look for the mention about etckeeper integration | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:38:05] <fsweetser> jbooth: I'm of the opinion that, rather than trying to shoehorn everything into the augeas native type, there should be more native types that leverage augeas | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:38:31] <fsweetser> that way, you could have things like an iptables or sudoers native type that works with purge => true to clean out unmanaged entries | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:38:55] <jbooth> That could actually work since your type can actually do things like loop | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:02] <fsweetser> exactly | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:25] <jbooth> but trying to purge a particular rule out of iptables using only puppet defines of the augeas type... you'd be insane. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:29] <fsweetser> the augeas functionality is great, but the augeas type is a pretty thin layer for anything complex | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:34] <jbooth> which is of course what I want to do. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:38] <fsweetser> =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:39:57] <jbooth> well, one of the things I want to do | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:10] <fsweetser> it's clunky but doable with the concat files pattern and a frag directory with purge => true | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:15] <uphillian> @fsweetser what version of augeas? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:17] <jbooth> Though with the changes to iptables on F12 I'm getting close to just stomping all over everything with my own rules. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:36] <fsweetser> 0.5.3 | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:41] <jbooth> 0.6.0-2 works at least. (F12 package) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:40:56] <fsweetser> jbooth: what changes are those? (haven't played with fw on f12 yet) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:17] <uphillian> augtool> ls /files/etc/sysconfig/iptables | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:18] <uphillian> augtool> | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:18] <uphillian> :-( | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:26] <jbooth> fsweetser: are you sure? My 0.5.3-1.el5 won't. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:27] <uphillian> fc12 | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:31] <jbooth> it'll handle iptables-config | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:41:53] <fsweetser> ah, that's why - it's a backport build, so probably not quite stock | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:03] <jbooth> fsweetser: you know how redhat puts all rules in RH-FIREWALL-1 or whatever? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:42:07] <uphillian> gotcha | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:08] <fsweetser> yep | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:15] <jbooth> They quit it in F12 and put rules in the actual rules tables. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:16] <uphillian> good to know though | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:31] <KarlHungus> well... moving from non-puppet managed to puppet managed is non-trivial | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:42:41] <KarlHungus> completely automating that should require some manual interaction | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:43:05] <jbooth> So now you need to case each iptables rule to know about RH-FW and straight chains. Bleh. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:00] <fsweetser> ah - I've never bothered to work with the existing rules anyway =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:03] <jbooth> KarlHungus: Sure, but it is nice to populate what you can. Admin users, email aliases, etc. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:11] @ Quit: littleidea: | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:35] <jbooth> I sometimes have profs/grad students who also have root and demand to be able to screw the system up themselves so they can make me fix it later. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:46] <fsweetser> interesting - 0.7.0 in stock centos 5.4 doesn't have the iptables lens... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:44:53] <jbooth> So wipe-and-fix is preferably a last resort. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:45:13] <KarlHungus> jbooth: i'm fortunate to have wipe-and-fix be an acceptable solution | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:45:15] <fsweetser> jbooth: that's why I'm grateful I work in central IT, and am not one of the academic departmental sysadmins =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:46:46] <jbooth> fsweetser: I *am* central IT... who is contracted out to departments. Doh! | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:03] <jbooth> Worst of both worlds. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:07] <KarlHungus> :P | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:08] <jbooth> Ah well, keeps it interesting. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:12] * fsweetser sends his sympathies | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:14] <KarlHungus> IT is a harsh world | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:42] <jrojas_> fortune 500 IT is harsh world. :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:47:58] <KarlHungus> users abhor our strict rules, management doesn't understand us... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:48:04] <fsweetser> academia: the fighting is so intense because the stakes are so low... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:48:23] <jbooth> At least F500 they might pay halfway decent compared to academia. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:48:45] <fsweetser> true, but they're more likely to drop you when income goes down 0.01% | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:48:47] <jbooth> Though I had great fun making my father jealous of my more days paid vacation than he had the year he retired. | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:48:56] <jbooth> So I guess there are bright spots | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:49:11] <fsweetser> I also got my MS for free, so I'm in no position to complain | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:49:17] <KarlHungus> we get really cool toys too ;) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:49:35] <jbooth> You can get a MS for free without working for them, just gotta land a TA/RA | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:49:52] <jbooth> Well, 'without working full time' I should say | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:50:47] <jrojas_> anyone know how many open bugs there are for the 25.4rc2 | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:50:47] <jrojas_> ? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:52:54] <eric0> http://projects.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/issues?query_id=32 | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:53:05] <KarlHungus> Volcane: well... looks like i'm going to have to move all of my fragments to /var/lib/puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:53:27] <Volcane> careful not to put it in one of those dirs puppet manages itself | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:53:38] <Volcane> cos then it iwll go purging your files :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:54:40] <KarlHungus> heh. speaking of that, notice: //File[/var/lib/puppet/modules/.svn]/ensure: created | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:54:44] <KarlHungus> how do i avoid that? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:54:55] <KarlHungus> i don't need to, or want to, sync .svn info | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:54:58] <Volcane> thats a recursive copy? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:54:58] <jrojas_> ignore => .svn | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:55:46] <jrojas_> err ignore = | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:55:48] <KarlHungus> jrojas_: where would that directive live? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:55:48] <jrojas_> err | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:55:57] <jrojas_> in the file declaration | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:56:10] <jrojas_> file { "blah": recurse => true, ignore => ".svn".... | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:56:42] <KarlHungus> i think pluginsync is doing that | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:56:59] <jrojas_> well thats fine, thats for plugins | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:02] <jrojas_> oh | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:03] <jrojas_> i see | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:04] <jrojas_> yeah | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:06] <KarlHungus> = | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:07] <KarlHungus> =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:11] <jrojas_> pluginignore = CVS .svn .git | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:17] <jrojas_> in your puppet.conf | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:21] <Volcane> but thats the default | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:26] <jrojas_> really? | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:31] <Volcane> indeed | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:32] <jrojas_> ive never seen it as the default | ||
| [2010/01/21 16:57:37] <jrojas_> ive always had it set | ||
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| [2010/01/21 16:59:57] <jrojas_> mmmm curry | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:11] <KarlHungus> File { ignore => ".svn" } works =) | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:22] <KarlHungus> hopefully with no evil sideeffects | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:28] <Volcane> you're doing something weird | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:49] <jrojas_> like i said, ive always had to specify it in my config on the master and client | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:50] <KarlHungus> Volcane: it wasn't pluginsync, it was another module of mine | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:00:54] <Volcane> right | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:01:09] <Volcane> jrojas_: nah not needed for pluginsync | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:01:26] <Volcane> jrojas_: no problems for me with svn+pluginsync+defaults | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:01:44] <jrojas_> hm | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:01:56] <jrojas_> oh well, not going to bother with it, its working. why futs with it | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:01:57] <jrojas_> :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:02:00] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:02:00] <KarlHungus> hehe | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:02:55] <jhp> Hi everyone. I'm just starting to look into using puppet for my production environment and the first tests looked good, but now i have a little question. I have a whole bunch of config files that have to go to servers, do I have to specify them all, or can I just say, everything in that directory has to go to the server x ? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:03:13] <KarlHungus> so, Package { require => Yumrepo["base"], }, but when that resource is created, it installs munin plugins in /etc/munin/plugins/, however munin cannot be installed until yum is set up... | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:04:09] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: I usually notify Puppet when I change/add/remove Yum repositories so it restarts | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:04:19] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: that way, it reloads the Yum provider | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:04:27] <KarlHungus> Djelibeybi: i run puppet from cron | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:04:37] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: ah, ok | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:04:51] <KarlHungus> you should too ;) | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:04:53] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: well, a notify should just stop the current Puppet run | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:05:00] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: I do, in some cases. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:05:03] <KarlHungus> hmm. good point. i'll check it out | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:05:15] <Djelibeybi> Might take you a run or two to get a full deployment | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:06:43] <KarlHungus> Djelibeybi: i'm fine with that as long as it doesnt generate errors along the way | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:07:47] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: I missed the beginning of your issue -- what's the actual problem? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:07:55] <uphillian> @Djelibeybi you might want to do a no-splay something like | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:07:55] <uphillian> puppetd --test --no-splay --server=<something> --onetime | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:07:55] <uphillian> I do that in my kickstart | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:08:22] <Djelibeybi> uphillian: my production still uses --splay, but my kickstarts run puppet --onetime | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:08:30] <KarlHungus> Djelibeybi: oh, i'm largely just rambling. i have ordering issues that need to be sorted out | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:08:50] <Djelibeybi> KarlHungus: yeah, ordering is interesting. I've found it took us a while to get it mostly OK | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:09:06] <Djelibeybi> We don't have any errors, but it usually takes 2-3 puppet runs for a full successful manifest implementation | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:10:45] <KarlHungus> i snapshotted a node right before the initial puppet run, and i'm just running, fixing, revert to snapshot, repeat until its right | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:12] <Djelibeybi> Yeah, we do the same with VMs in testing | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:23] <pheezy> what's splay? i dont' see anything about it in puppetd manpage | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:26] <uphillian> @djelibeybi my ordering issues are usually yum, you need the first run to get the repos installed so that the second run can actually install the packages | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:41] <uphillian> @pheezy splay = random delay in starting the run | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:45] <Djelibeybi> uphillian: indeed. We're now moving to having a "bootstrap" environment | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:46] <jb> jhp: you can specify an entire directory | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:11:57] <jb> jhp use file { recurse => true } | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:12:11] <Djelibeybi> uphillian: so, the VMs are built with puppet set to "bootstrap", which installs the Yum repos and other base stuff. Finally, switches Puppet's environment to "production" | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:12:21] <jb> jhp: file { "/etc/bleh": recurse => true } rather.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:12:21] <Djelibeybi> Then, the next run does all the production manifest deployments | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:12:35] <Volcane> Djelibeybi: i do exactly the same, makes life much better | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:12:56] <Djelibeybi> Volcane: we've built a POC in development for this, but it'll take a while to get it into production (which Just Works(tm) at the moment) | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:04] <uphillian> @djelibeybi, I should probably spend more time making that cleaner myself | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:10] <jb> i "bootstrap" directly into production | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:10] <KarlHungus> hmm. i like the sound of this bootstrap environment ;) | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:12] <Djelibeybi> Production is pretty static right now, so it's no big deal. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:16] <jb> to a host-group that contains my base classes | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:13:30] <Djelibeybi> We create 200-300 VMs in development a week, so it's way more important to streamline stuff | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:14:11] <KarlHungus> although, my bootstrapped node has been templated =) so i sually just deploy new ones off that template | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:14:33] <jb> what does the bootstrap environment really get you though? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:02] <KarlHungus> jb: the basic services and resources you need to build production stuff on top of | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:06] <Volcane> sorts out chicken and egg things | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:16] <Volcane> like need facts setup to be able to compile entire manifest | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:18] <Djelibeybi> jb: the ability to configure stuff before the app-facing network comes up. Which is good for us for security | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:21] <KarlHungus> snmp, munin-node, facts, etc | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:22] <Volcane> small bootstrap environment sets up those fact | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:37] <Djelibeybi> We use Puppet to configure DMZ/app-facing network interfaces. So, kickstart only configures management networking. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:46] <Volcane> or prepare yum environments completely before doing the rest which makes over all manifest better | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:15:48] <Djelibeybi> Which means if it all fails, the machine is not visible to untrusted networks | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:16:15] <jb> i guess my process is a little different.. I kickstart a box, which drops down a script named "puppetconf" to the host, I then manually run "puppetconf -e <environment>".. this script installs puppet if its missing, configures /etc/sysconfig/puppet if needed, sets the evironment, and does a puppet run.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:16:24] <pheezy> hmm i've been wondering how if I should puppet manage my network interface aliases; sounds like i should look into it more | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:16:46] <jb> a freshly kickstarted box doesn't have anything.. its vanilla. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:16:56] <uphillian> @jb sounds like the right way to do it | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:17:19] <jb> Djelibeybi: ahh, we have no "app-facing" network. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:17:44] <jb> our production servers typically have one interface | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:12] <Volcane> jb: there's a lot of weird chiecken and eggs with puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:32] <Volcane> jb: if u dont install cron *before* puppet runs, the ting wont even compile if there are cronjobs in the manifest | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:37] <Volcane> jb: bootstraps help with that | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:38] <Djelibeybi> jb: heh. Our production servers have a minimum of 8 NICs, four bonds, and 3-7 VLAN assignments | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:41] <jb> uphillian: and as soon as puppet is started, it contacts foreman via reports, and adds the deviced automatically.. all I have to do is login to foreman/dashboard and set its "host-group," and its configured 20 seconds later. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:53] <uphillian> nice | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:18:55] <jb> Volcane: well, yes, cron is part of my base. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:19:05] <Volcane> jb: its an example, lots of similar ones | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:19:11] <jb> but yeah, I can see where that would be a problem.. | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:19:15] <jb> which a bootstrap environment would solve | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:25:12] <roede> hey, does anyone know off the top of their heads if there is a way to define a directory prefix for the user type, i.e. "/home" or "/export/home" depending on the $os? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:25:33] <brd> roede: os case statment | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:11] <roede> how would you concatenate "/home/" with the user name in the type then? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:25] <KarlHungus> roede: write a fact for it | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:33] <Djelibeybi> roede: path => "/home/${name}" ? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:34] <Volcane> you se a case statement or selector to set $homedir | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:35] <KarlHungus> $home/$user | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:39] <Volcane> then you specify tht to user | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:26:55] <roede> ideally, i want to be able to say user { homedir => $homedir/$user } | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:27:38] <roede> ive got a selector already, just wanted to know the syntax on "concatenation" in puppet/ruby/whatever | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:27:52] <Volcane> "$foo/$bar" | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:27:57] <roede> KarlHungus: so that is valid? great. ill do that | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:27:59] <Volcane> "${foo}${bar} | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:28:14] <KarlHungus> roede: well, $home won't exist until you have a fact | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:28:28] <KarlHungus> but if its just dependent on the $operatingsystem, then you don't need a custom fact | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:28:30] <roede> i didnt know if quoting would mess things up, as i dont know any ruby | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:28:39] <roede> yes, its just on oper.sys | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:32:45] <roede> groovy, thanks all. that worked | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:33:03] <roede> just for reference, i am a bit confused as to what is actually parsing the .pp files | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:33:21] <roede> is it a puppet parser, or are the .pp files somewhat valid ruby? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:33:33] <fsweetser> it's a puppet parser | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:34:21] <eric0> roede: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#why-does-puppet-have-its-own-language | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:34:50] <roede> so in general, does it try to follow shell rules for quoting, etc? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:35:38] <fsweetser> loosely | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:35:39] <roede> i guess what i am asking is, where could i have found the fact that "${foo}${bar}" is valid puppet syntax? | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:35:48] <fsweetser> the language tutorial | ||
| [2010/01/21 17:36:10] <roede> aha, guess i missed that :) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:57:34] <KarlHungus> hmm. so can i make an exec terminate the current puppet run and spit out a message? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 17:59:11] <proton> no, unless everything else required it and it failed | ||
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| [2010/01/21 18:03:08] <jamesturnbull> roede: wiki:LanguageTutorial | ||
| [2010/01/21 18:03:09] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: roede: wiki:LanguageTutorial is http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial | ||
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| [2010/01/21 18:39:04] <jrojas_> jamesturnbull: another RC? really? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 18:44:06] <jamesturnbull> jrojas_: this release is going into Ubuntu Lucid - which is LTS - we want to be absolutely sure it's solid | ||
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| [2010/01/21 18:44:43] <jrojas_> ah | ||
| [2010/01/21 18:44:45] <jrojas_> makes sense | ||
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| [2010/01/21 18:45:12] <jrojas_> so, for the rest of us non ubuntu lucid users, can you hurry the hell up ? :P | ||
| [2010/01/21 18:45:46] <jrojas_> im just getting anxious | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:01:35] <jamesturnbull> jrojas_: well a stable release helps everyone :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:01:48] <jamesturnbull> jrojas_: it'll be within the next few days I think | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:09:10] <jrojas_> jamesturnbull: awesome | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:34:48] <dene> james' talk at LCA is being streamed, if anyone cares | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:36:49] <`properzel> http://www.r2.co.nz/20100118/civic-1.asx - thats the stream | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:37:10] <dene> yop | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:37:18] <`properzel> :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:37:30] <dene> sorry, we're serving that up | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:37:39] <dene> wondered if people here might be interested | ||
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| [2010/01/21 19:41:06] <Volcane> who is the other person talking? | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:44:23] <zhasper> avi miller | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:46:33] <Volcane> oh, no bells | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:48:50] <zhasper> no bells? | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:49:04] <Volcane> the name doesnt ring bells :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:50:30] <explody> can you pass an array to pattern=>, for something like the case of sysklogd on debian where there are two different processes? e.g. ["sysklogd","klogd"] | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:51:39] <Volcane> no its a regular expression | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:51:46] <Volcane> so you can do regex syntax for or | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:52:04] <Volcane> well i dont think you can pass an array | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:52:06] <Volcane> worth trying | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:52:25] <nexusone> the puppet I am using is low version, for "File" type, it does not have "seluser", "selrole", "seltype". How can I run do "post" script to set the selinux attribute for the file downloaded from puppet server? | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:54:26] <lilmatt> I'm supposed to add "modules" to source paths for recipes in .25 right? | ||
| [2010/01/21 19:54:29] <lilmatt> like this? source => "puppet:///motd/modules/motd.txt", | ||
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| [2010/01/21 20:14:36] <jrojas_> this is an odd question, but does the puppet_dashboard.rb report need to go to all clients? or just the master? and when regular reports come it the master processes it? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 20:16:04] <ohadlevy> anyone watching the lca2010 videos now? | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:18:21] <zhasper> i'm watching the tutorial live, from the room | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:18:28] <ohadlevy> :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:18:42] <ohadlevy> live stream doesnt work that well :( | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:18:51] <dene> what's wrong with it? | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:18:58] <ohadlevy> but I could see Avi's puppetcamp tshirt | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:19:01] <dene> rather, what sort of problems are you having ? | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:19:05] <ohadlevy> ah, it just hangs | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:19:19] <ohadlevy> and mplayer dies every now and then | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:19:51] <`properzel> try vlc, wfm. | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:20:46] <dene> ohadlevy: what's a traceroute to 202.7.7.91 look like ? | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:01] <ohadlevy> 15 hops | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:11] <ohadlevy> 270 ms | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:19] <dene> mind posting the last four or so somewhere ? | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:24] <dene> dene@slush.ca | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:26] <dene> if you want | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:47] <ohadlevy> 10. te2-2.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 41 210.7 214.1 207.3 271.2 12.3 | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:48] <ohadlevy> 11. te2-4.mpd01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com 2.4% 41 194.8 212.2 190.6 390.1 54.4 | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:48] <ohadlevy> 12. te0-1-0-0.ccr21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 41 195.5 195.8 193.4 201.5 1.8 | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:48] <ohadlevy> 13. te0-0-0-2.ccr21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com 0.0% 41 238.4 237.9 234.8 279.4 6.8 | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:49] @ Quit: cwebber: | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:50] <ohadlevy> 14. te9-2.ccr01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com 2.4% 41 269.7 290.4 268.2 468.3 56.3 | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:53] <ohadlevy> 15. gi4-1.3492.ccr01.ord07.atlas.cogentco.com | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:21:55] <ohadlevy> spammed the channel :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:22:30] <dene> curious | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:22:37] <dene> that doesn't end up in the right place | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:22:41] <dene> if 15 is the last hop | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:02] <ohadlevy> 16 is answering to icmp, so i skipped it | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:10] <dene> ah | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:19] <ohadlevy> not answering | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:20] <dene> annoying | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:32] <dene> give vlc a shot, if you still have problems let me know and i'll see what i can do | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:23:40] <ohadlevy> oh well, I'll try with very large cache settings, vlc doesnt work well as well | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:24:09] <ohadlevy> I also tried all links with no noticeable difference | ||
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| [2010/01/21 20:28:04] <dene> will have static copies afterwards as well | ||
| [2010/01/21 20:28:07] <dene> so can pass those out | ||
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| [2010/01/21 21:18:34] <cafuego> jamesturnbull: The Ubuntu Karmic "err: //File[/etc/sudoers]: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Mounts without paths are not usable" problem seems to be fixable by setting the *full* file path in the file resource; puppet:///modules/sudo/files/sudoers | ||
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| [2010/01/21 21:21:10] <Felius> cafuego: That doesn't work for me. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 21:21:38] <cafuego> Felius: I added the files/" bit i n and now I get notice: //Node[default]/foo/File[/tmp/foo]/ensure: is absent, should be present (noop) | ||
| [2010/01/21 21:21:56] <cafuego> Felius: Whereas previously I got two of the above errors (one for sudoers, one for foo) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 21:31:48] <explody> I'm confused. facter reports things like operatingsystem as "Debian", and I can use Debian: as a switch in a case statement, but if I do a regexp like /(Debian|Ubuntu)/, puppet gripes about "not matching selector param for debian" (lowercase). Are regexps always lowercased? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 21:39:18] <ohadlevy> jrojas: just on the server | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:18:46] <ohadlevy> Djelibeybi: nice job | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:19:01] <Djelibeybi> thanks ohadlevy -- I was hoping to show-off Foreman, but ran out of time. | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:19:32] <ohadlevy> Thanks, I did see you guys mentioned it :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:20:28] <ohadlevy> btw: when you said you enjoyed the graphs, were you talking about the edge branch? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:20:36] <Djelibeybi> ohadlevy: yeah, I pulled from git | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:20:47] <ohadlevy> but edge or master branch? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:21:00] <ohadlevy> because there are a few more graphs at edge :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:21:17] <ohadlevy> I've started to phase out the rrd graphs with build in ones | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:22:43] <Djelibeybi> Hmm, not sure. Maybe it was master. | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:22:51] <Djelibeybi> I'm seeing the Google Graph API ones | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:23:11] <ohadlevy> do you see host specific graphs as well? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:24:31] <Djelibeybi> ohadlevy: not that I've seen, no | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:28:23] <ohadlevy> Djelibeybi: it seems that were alot of people, so I guess you had some fun :) | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:28:44] <Djelibeybi> ohadlevy: yup. Need to talk to the Ubuntu packaging guys, though. :) | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:28:57] <ohadlevy> why? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:29:08] <Djelibeybi> The puppet.conf is a little silly | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:48:16] <agaffney> has anyone used puppet as a "cron management" solution? | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:49:52] <agaffney> I put together 2 scripts: one to ssh to every box, run crontab -l, parse the entries, and insert them into a mysql database | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:50:09] <agaffney> and then another to write out a manifest file with all of the cron entries | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:50:20] <agaffney> both scripts work quite well | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:50:34] <agaffney> I just need to put together a web interface for managing the jobs in mysql | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:50:58] <ohadlevy> agaffney: why not using puppet? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:51:04] <agaffney> I'm just wondering if there are any "gotchas" | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:51:24] <agaffney> ohadlevy: what do you mean? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:51:36] <ohadlevy> to manage the cron entries | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:51:47] <agaffney> I *am* using puppet to actually manage the crontab | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:51:51] <agaffney> based on the entries in mysql | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:52:10] <ohadlevy> ah, ok | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:52:11] <agaffney> my second script regenerates the puppet manifest with the cron entries based on the mysql data | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:52:24] <ohadlevy> why dont you use a puppet function to query your db directly? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:52:37] <agaffney> hmm, I suppose I could | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:52:47] <agaffney> I've just never messed with custom puppet functions | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:53:02] <agaffney> and I hardly know any ruby | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:53:15] <ohadlevy> i do something similar in foreman, | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:54:30] <agaffney> I'll make it so that jobs can never be "deleted" | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:54:33] <agaffney> just enabled/disabled | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:54:44] <agaffney> which will toggle ensure => present/absent in the generated manifest | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:55:24] <agaffney> to make it harder for jobs to get "lost" | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:55:39] <ohadlevy> i think a function would be cleaner, as you wont have to deal with commiting the manifest etc | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:55:45] <agaffney> I still have no idea how to prevent someone from editing the crontab locally on the server | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:55:52] <agaffney> probably | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:55:55] <ohadlevy> cron.allow? | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:12] <agaffney> we have 6 users who have full access to all of our servers | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:13] <Djelibeybi> agaffney: cron.deny and cron.allow | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:25] <agaffney> now, all of them *should* know better | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:28] <agaffney> but mistakes can happen | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:40] <ohadlevy> but if you dont allow people to change it, so why bother to keep it in a db, just extract it one time into a manifest | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:48] <Djelibeybi> echo ALL >> /etc/cron.deny | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:56:57] <Djelibeybi> echo user >> /etc/cron.allow | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:57:10] <agaffney> Djelibeybi: but then puppet can't manage the crontab | ||
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| [2010/01/21 22:57:21] <Djelibeybi> agaffney: echo root >> /etc/cron.allow | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:57:31] <Djelibeybi> (Puppet runs as root -- you'd need to add the users that puppet will add cronjobs as) | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:57:38] <agaffney> Djelibeybi: and that defeats the purpose, since all 6 people have sudo access | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:57:45] <Djelibeybi> Fair enough | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:58:11] <agaffney> ohadlevy: because I'm the only one in our ops team that *really* knows puppet | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:58:16] <agaffney> there's one other guy that "kinda" knows it | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:58:21] <agaffney> and the other 4 have never touched it | ||
| [2010/01/21 22:59:57] <agaffney> also, doing it in the DB allows me to keep a "change history" with comments and timestamps for each change | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:00:20] <agaffney> my puppet stuff is in git, but I can't get the other guy to commit his changes | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:00:24] <agaffney> I have to go back and do it afterwards | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:02:07] <agaffney> is it possible to write a puppet function that will generate a bunch of 'cron' resources? | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:03:01] <ohadlevy> i think so | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:04:14] <agaffney> I'll have to look into that | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:04:20] <agaffney> but for now, my script works quite well | ||
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| [2010/01/21 23:37:11] <asaa> anyone have info relating to the module files differences in .25 vs .24? I cannot find reference to it. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 23:38:16] <asaa> DEPRECATION NOTICE: Files found in modules without specifying 'modules' in file path will be deprecated in the next major release. Please fix module 'common' when no 0.24.x clients are present | ||
| [2010/01/21 23:41:24] <asaa> nevermind... found it. | ||
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| [2010/01/21 23:57:11] <joe-mac1> if puppet cannot reverse lookup a host will it throw some error about fact_merge not being a method for a nil classs? |
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