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| [2010/01/24 03:20:35] <gepetto> ::trac:: Trac Tickets Custom Fields edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields?version=2 | ||
| [2010/01/24 03:20:35] <gepetto> ::trac:: Trac Tickets Custom Fields edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields?version=3 | ||
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| [2010/01/24 03:36:32] <gepetto> ::trac:: Recipes/ModuleSSHAuth edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Recipes/ModuleSSHAuth?version=10 | ||
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| [2010/01/24 04:06:40] <mbn_18> morning | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:47:46] <mbn_18> Is it possible to: notify => Exec[something] ? | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:48:13] <proton> yes, you probably want the Exec to be set to refreshonly as well | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:49:05] <mbn_18> proton: What do you ean by refreshonly? ( I wish to run sysctl -p ) | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:49:17] <mbn_18> *mean | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:50:09] <proton> depends what you're doing, but usually if you're notifying an Exec you often only wany the Exec to run when the resource doing the notify has changed | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:50:25] <proton> refreshonly when defining the Exec means that the exec only runs when it's notified | ||
| [2010/01/24 04:50:51] <mbn_18> Thanks, looks great | ||
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| [2010/01/24 07:24:03] <jamesturnbull> Volcane: don't you love freedom? :) | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:27:12] <Volcane> not that much, what a whack job | ||
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| [2010/01/24 07:30:52] <jamesturnbull> lol | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:33:07] <Volcane> are you coming to puppetcamp.eu? | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:35:24] <jamesturnbull> unlikely | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:35:39] <jamesturnbull> too far, not enough time, not enough money | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:35:52] <Volcane> nods, feel the same about most places :P | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:35:59] <jamesturnbull> unless some kind European company wants to sponsor me... | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:36:14] <Volcane> its on a uk bank holiday, ppl need to book early early | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:36:41] <Volcane> anyway, bbl | ||
| [2010/01/24 07:36:44] <jamesturnbull> k | ||
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| [2010/01/24 07:58:29] <ohadlevy> puppetcamp.eu is official? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 08:10:12] <monachus> volcane: is that the training on Mar 29 - Apr 2? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 08:36:01] <robinbowes> puppetcamp.eu? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 08:41:27] <jamesturnbull> monachus: nope - there wil be a PuppetCamp - much like hte one in SFO held in Europe | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:42:12] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: do you know anything about dates? | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:42:16] <jamesturnbull> monachus: http://reductivelabs.com/home/community/puppetcamp/ | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:42:29] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: not as yet but Volcane does it seems :) | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:43:05] <ohadlevy> btw: nice job at lca | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:43:25] <monachus> oh excellent. | ||
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| [2010/01/24 08:45:40] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: thanks - good learning experience - have rewritten tutorial entirely now - last time I listen to lak :P | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:46:01] <ohadlevy> what went wrong ?:) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 08:47:00] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: oh - just shpould have jumped straight into talking about modules instead of messing about with ralsh | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:47:23] <ohadlevy> next week I'm doing the puppet side on puppet vs chef here | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:47:38] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: intro -> install -> this is a resource -> resource examples in a module -> extend -> extend -> etc | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:47:46] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: oh? at work? | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:48:14] <ohadlevy> no, Ruby meetup group at singapore | ||
| [2010/01/24 08:49:02] <ohadlevy> I think it would be very hard for me to convince moving into chef at work, after all the work I've put in selling puppet ;) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 09:15:10] <Volcane> patricdebois and lak were mentioning dates on twitter, said its set in stone | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:15:22] <Volcane> its the thursday/friday at end of may | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:18:02] <Volcane> it'll be in ghent belgium | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:18:29] <Volcane> which is an awesome place and since its bank holiday probably be overrun with tourists that weekend - I'll stay on till mid next week | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:21:06] * ohadlevy wonder if i can find a business justification to visit this one too | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:23:03] <Volcane> there really isnt much patterns/gems/snippets out there for flexible config file management | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:23:32] <Volcane> like parsing config files and such | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:26:16] <ohadlevy> volcane: augeas? | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:26:30] <ohadlevy> as long as a lens exists | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:26:32] <Volcane> no i mean writing a ruby app that has a config file and parsing it | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:26:33] <Volcane> non puppet related | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:26:52] <ohadlevy> yeah, most people just write a yaml file as a config file | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:27:02] <Volcane> nods, bit rubbish | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:27:14] <ohadlevy> or a simple [section] with name = value | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:27:24] <Volcane> yeah | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:27:57] <ohadlevy> what do you need? | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:28:21] <Volcane> want to rewrite mcollective's config class into something better, was hoping not to do it myself but seems I'd have to | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:28:47] <ohadlevy> dont know if its any good - http://rubyforge.org/projects/parseconfig | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:29:10] <Volcane> yeah looked at that one, its about the best of the lot | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:30:08] <ohadlevy> I guess its better to write your own, because you add more deps to other gems | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:31:42] <|Mike|> Volcane: so the 28/29th of May then? | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:32:06] <Volcane> ohadlevy: yeah that was my thinking too | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:33:38] <Volcane> let me try to find his tweets | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:35:02] <Volcane> @patrickdebois: Mark this: #Puppet Camp Europe: 27,28/05 in Ghent, Belgium - Houston we have a lift off! | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:36:04] <Volcane> ohadlevy: my biggest pain is validation/transformation into right classes etc, but I need validation plugins anyway in mcollective so I guess that will do most of the work once I've implimented that | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:36:31] <Volcane> ohadlevy: and that i need some freeform space where agents/plugins can drop their own configs in that I generally wont know about in the config class | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:37:45] <ohadlevy> volcane: and [sections] wont cut it: | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:37:47] <ohadlevy> ? | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:38:14] <Volcane> they prolly will, atm i just have plugin.foo.bar = baz for plugin foo with his setting bar = baz | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:38:38] <Volcane> its ok, i am happy with the config file, not happy with parsing it/handling defaults etc | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:38:45] <Volcane> its not difficult to write, just tedious | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:38:52] <Volcane> figured someone must ahve done something clever by now | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:42:51] <ohadlevy> volcane: yeah, i had a hackish yaml file too, probably I'll rewrite it too | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:43:15] <Volcane> i got centralized auditing of all requests now, its really wicked | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:43:41] <Volcane> very kewl watching the log - i have several automated things adjusting iptables and such over it | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:44:55] <ohadlevy> cool, now you need a dashboard ;) | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:45:07] <Volcane> yeah, my rails coder seem to have lost interest | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:45:10] <Volcane> need to look for another | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:45:15] <Volcane> wtf, I'll even pay | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:45:37] <Volcane> apparently the recession is just a myth | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:45:56] <ohadlevy> how much do you pay? ;) | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:46:06] <Volcane> heh not sure | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:46:30] <Volcane> never got so far as to even discuss rates | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:46:49] <Volcane> told him to look at foreman and read some mcollective overview docs and that was last of it | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:47:09] <ohadlevy> if you want, I can probably do something very basic | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:48:06] <Volcane> i think i have some stuff to do first for it, was hoping he'd take some time to get up to speed while i finish that | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:48:39] <Volcane> i did hack up a bit of rails that shows puppetds and let me kick them to run etc, was trivial enough | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:49:01] <Volcane> but as soon as i start thinking about making something look OK in html i give up on web coding | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:49:19] <ohadlevy> yeah, I guess thats my problem too ;) | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:51:39] <Volcane> i need some sane kind of caching system for it for the web though, rails 3 would make it a bit easier too now that they pulled out the activemodel stuff so you can make non db stuff behave like activerecord models | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:54:33] <robinbowes> jamesturnbull: that much I had deduced myself! | ||
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| [2010/01/24 09:57:10] <ohadlevy> volcane: I think memcached would probably be a better idea | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:57:43] <Volcane> yeah well i didnt mean making it like activerecord will do caching, 2 things, need caching and want it to behave like a AR model | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:58:17] <ohadlevy> one backend process that update the cache and relevant AR record, and a gui which reads from AR (e.g. log entries) and status from cache | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:58:33] <ohadlevy> you also have cache based AR with memcache | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:58:44] <Volcane> ah | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:59:16] <Volcane> yeah ideally I'd have it behave like AR without any DB etc needs - with optional support to just read cache/model to speed up certain insutrctions | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:59:27] <ohadlevy> i suggested memcache because i think the change rate will be too high and will abuse a db | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:59:32] <Volcane> with the existing registration system feeding the AR based cache | ||
| [2010/01/24 09:59:38] <Volcane> nods, probably | ||
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| [2010/01/24 15:51:40] <jamesturnbull> robinbowes: you'll have to give me context? :) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 16:23:34] @ jamesturnbull set topic "Puppet 0.25.4rc3 released - http://bit.ly/7vCXPs | Log bugs and feature requests at http://tinyurl.com/46ryk7" | ||
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| [2010/01/24 16:28:37] <gepetto> ::trac:: Downloading Puppet edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DownloadingPuppet?version=107 | ||
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| [2010/01/24 16:51:51] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: ping? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:25:23] <kc7zzv> I'm tring to use storeconfigs, but when I turn it on puppet says "err: Rails is missing; cannot store configurations". I'm using ubuntu and installed rails and gems using apt. Anyone have troubleshooting advice? | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:27:34] <kc7zzv> I get the error once on the client and twice on the server. Does that mean that both the client and server are complaining? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:30:06] <Djelibeybi> kc7zzv: what does "gem list" show? | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:30:23] <Djelibeybi> kc7zzv: and rails should only be required on the server | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:32:05] <kc7zzv> No local gems. Thanks for the help. | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:32:26] <Djelibeybi> Weird. If you installed rails and gems using apt, I'd expect gem list to show something | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:34:14] <Djelibeybi> Note however that I am not an Ubuntu user, so I have no experience on that distro | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:35:21] <kc7zzv> I figured it out. I was sshed into the wrong server when I installed gems. | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:37:23] <Djelibeybi> :) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:42:42] <kc7zzv> Strange. I need to do some more reasearch. Seems theres a gems, rubygems, and gem package. | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:43:27] <Djelibeybi> wtg Ubuntu | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:44:11] <kc7zzv> I wanted rubygems. I actually had it, but I'm still getting that error. | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:44:33] <Djelibeybi> Have you installed the mysql gem? Are you using MySQL? | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:44:39] <kc7zzv> What should be appearing under "local gems"? | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:44:49] <kc7zzv> I'm using mysql. | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:44:57] <Djelibeybi> Let me fire up one of my VMs, one sec | ||
| [2010/01/24 17:46:36] <Djelibeybi> I have a bunch of gems, including rails, rake, actionmailer, actionpack, activerecord, activeresource, activesupport | ||
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| [2010/01/24 17:46:43] <Djelibeybi> And mysql | ||
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| [2010/01/24 18:11:00] <jamesturnbull> Djelibeybi: pong | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:11:15] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: did you check my gitfulness on puppet-docs bug 3051? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 18:11:57] <jamesturnbull> #3051 | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:11:58] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: #3051 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/3051 "Puppet Documentation - Bug #3051: formatting on Package Type documentation is skewed - ReductiveLabs.com" | ||
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| [2010/01/24 18:13:32] <jamesturnbull> Djelibeybi: looks fine - does markdown hgavce a table syntax? | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:13:41] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: no, you have to use plain HTML | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:13:45] <Djelibeybi> (I looked it up) | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:14:13] <jamesturnbull> Djelibeybi: then looks excellent | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:14:13] <Djelibeybi> jamesturnbull: It's more about whether I did the git branching/pushing stuff properly | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:14:16] <Djelibeybi> Whee. | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:14:48] <jamesturnbull> though I would guess that is auto-genned doco in some way | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:15:16] <Djelibeybi> It looked like someone cut/paste the table badly | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:15:26] <Djelibeybi> Not sure if it's meant to be auto-generated | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:17:46] <jamesturnbull> yeah it is - it's from the type reference uppetdoc output and been split into types | ||
| [2010/01/24 18:19:55] <Djelibeybi> Ah, poo | ||
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| [2010/01/24 19:51:02] <bitmonk> what is the deal with puppet running aptitude for each package that is ensure => present ? why not build a list, compare to installed, and run one 'add these new packages' command? | ||
| [2010/01/24 19:51:12] <bitmonk> it's amazingly slow and resource intensive.. | ||
| [2010/01/24 19:54:53] <jamesturnbull> bitmonk: so Puppet shells out to aptitude - it does some precaching of data - but there is no easy way of "grabbing all resources - working out which are aptitude - installing in sequence in one transaction - feeding results back" | ||
| [2010/01/24 19:55:47] <jamesturnbull> bitmonk: I'd probably also argue that in some cases you want to maintain some independence between transactions | ||
| [2010/01/24 19:57:04] <jamesturnbull> bitmonk: obviously always happy to have someone say "No you're wrong and here's the code to prove it" :) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 20:01:24] <bitmonk> sure, i'll poke at it.. fair enough aptitude may not provide an easy way, but that can be taken up with each package system | ||
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| [2010/01/24 20:28:58] <jamesturnbull> bitmonk: it's not so much that aptitude doesn't provide an easy way as you need to consider the puppet internals - if a single aptitude command failed then a whole run could die versus a signle aptitude command failing and all other resources applied | ||
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| [2010/01/24 20:35:47] <robinbowes> jamesturnbull: nm - it was about puppetcamp.eu that Volcane mentioned | ||
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| [2010/01/24 21:03:15] <Pockets> Hey all, I'm wondering if it is at all possible to run Puppet as a daemon, as you'd expect, but not perform any updates unless explicitly told to. As in, have the daemon listen and control the deployment using puppetrun from the puppetmaster. Is there any current methods of doing this? Preventing both the "checkin" with the puppetmaster when the client is started and preventing Puppet from running on a runinterval? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 21:14:46] <nevyn> wow | ||
| [2010/01/24 21:16:32] <tmz> jamesturnbull: FWIW, I updated http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/repo/puppet/ with 0.25.4rc3, if any fedora/rhel/centos folks want to give rc3 a final beating. | ||
| [2010/01/24 21:23:37] <Pockets> tmz, I've got a development environment setup at the moment, I'll give it a good whack :) | ||
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| [2010/01/24 22:09:33] <jamesturnbull> tmz: thanks - much appreciated - I think we have one remaining item to resolve and then it's bingo time | ||
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| [2010/01/24 22:21:02] <jamesturnbull> tmz: and if you get a chance to do any testing that'd be great too | ||
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| [2010/01/24 22:45:16] <realist> ptman: did you end up documenting your NFSv4/Kerberos/LDAP implementation? | ||
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| [2010/01/24 23:24:17] <ptman> realist, as you might imagine, no not yet | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:25:00] <ptman> realist, but I'm finally getting my server back from warranty replacement today, so with luck I will in the following week or two | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:26:56] <realist> I'm currently trying to get it working with an OpenSolaris NFSv4/Kerberos server | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:27:09] <realist> Debian clients | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:28:00] <ptman> I'm planning to document a full debian environment | ||
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| [2010/01/24 23:28:21] <ptman> realist, ptman.name/sysadmin.html is where it will end up | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:28:51] <realist> Thanks, I'll bookmark it | ||
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| [2010/01/24 23:29:04] <realist> I should start blogging myself. | ||
| [2010/01/24 23:29:25] <ptman> I keep telling myself exactly the same thing ;) | ||
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