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| [2010/07/24 12:22:19] <Determinist> jamesturnbull: you've pointed me to the prerun_command option a couple of days ago but i seem to have a problem. is there any way for me to know which puppet client node is the one initiating this prerun_command invocation? | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:24:51] <Determinist> anyone else who knows ^ ? | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:25:31] <Volcane> afaik - might be wrong - it only applies to the client | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:26:04] <Determinist> oh. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:26:27] <Determinist> i always assumed it executed on the master (both the prerun and postrun). | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:28:04] <Determinist> Volcane: any way you can think of for me to know when a brand new node is connecting to the master? programatically, that is. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:29:07] <Volcane> not that i can think of, i mean without stupid things like monitoring logs | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:29:17] <Volcane> you could in theory check for new unsigned certs | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:29:23] <Volcane> that should be a bit less lame | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:29:34] <Determinist> yeah, but that would require polling. | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:30:00] <Determinist> i'd rather have some hook that would let me know these things. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:30:05] <Volcane> agreed | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:30:51] <Determinist> do you think a plugin could do the trick here? | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:31:25] <matti> Hi masterzen | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:31:49] <Volcane> Determinist: doubt it, i dont think there's any hooks | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:33:33] <Determinist> erm. bummer. well, i could always just set up the prerun_command option on the clients to use a script that'll ssh to the master and invoke some command that'll pass the hostname. feels like a hack tho. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:33:53] <Volcane> wow, i wouldnt have thought thats a good idea | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:33:55] <Volcane> that much trust | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:34:27] <Determinist> so not good, eh? | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:35:42] @ Quit: littleidea: Quit: littleidea | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:36:14] <Determinist> well, assuming that the first run would actually contain the script that'll execute this and that the client already has access to the master via puppet and that puppet is the one authorizing the access in the first place, i don't see how this would be a problem. don't like it, but it could work. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:36:34] <Volcane> 1 machine anywhere gets owned | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:36:37] <Volcane> == master gets owned | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:36:41] <Volcane> == everything else falls | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:37:05] <Volcane> its like using passwordless telnet everywhere :P | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:37:21] <Determinist> yes, that's true. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:37:43] <devdas> worse | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:37:47] <Determinist> lemme see if i can add such a hook to the master tho :P | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:38:32] <Determinist> worse? adding a hook that'll allow the master to run a script when a new node is added is worse, how? | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:39:02] <Volcane> mcollective++ :) nodes dont connect unless they're told to connect | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:39:15] <Volcane> so i know when to expect them, and know when to sign them etc | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:39:22] <Volcane> no unexpected stuff | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:40:16] <Determinist> well, actually, i know when the node is expected the connect. let me explain: | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:41:48] <Determinist> the idea is having an EC2 instance serving as the master and using some CLI ruby script to add new instances as needed (it's a hadoop/hbase cluster). when a new instance is created, it'll run a script that'll set up puppet and add an init script that'll run puppetd to pull config from the master. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:42:07] <Determinist> problem 1: master needs to maintain a list of all nodes to be able to properly configure hadoop/hbase (the hostnames). | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:42:19] <Determinist> getting the idea? | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:42:50] <Volcane> Determinist: yeah i have but probably way more complex than you want to know about :) | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:43:35] <Determinist> this way, i could add new instances and not have to update configuration files manually and puppet will propagate these changes to the nodes themselves. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:43:43] <Determinist> Volcane: so you have set up such things in the past? | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:43:56] <Volcane> Determinist: well i have a orchastration framework called mcollective | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:44:05] <Volcane> Determinist: and i manage this kind of thing with it | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:44:12] <Determinist> Volcane: that does what? :P | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:44:18] <Volcane> Determinist: and it builds a searchable datastore that i can query from within puppet | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:44:42] <Determinist> that sounds nice. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:44:47] <Determinist> sec, reading. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:45:07] <Volcane> Determinist: see www.devco.net near the top for a video of ec2 instances being provisioned iwth it | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:46:45] <Determinist> Volcane: ok, seems like i've found my tool. reading up. thanks for the pointer. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:47:18] <Volcane> Determinist: so i can just in puppet do something like: $nodes = search_nodes("{class: 'apache::server'}") and i get an array of nodes with that class on it etc | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:47:45] <Determinist> that's simply fantastic. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:48:09] <Volcane> your other option is to use exported resources | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:48:16] <Determinist> wow, the amount of work this is going to save me... | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:48:32] <Determinist> exported resources i've seen before, just haven't really touched yet. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:48:43] <Volcane> have a look, might be a less danting option | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:49:04] <Volcane> mcollective is great if you have lots of machines so absolutely worth exploring, but if thats your only itch its overkill :) | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:49:07] <Determinist> alright. looking at that too then. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:49:11] <Determinist> thanks ^ | ||
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| [2010/07/24 12:50:16] <Determinist> i have a 10+ machine cluster that's going to grow fast and it's all sitting on top of EC2, so efficient management tools are a must. | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:50:30] <Volcane> kewl, check it out then :) | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:51:00] <Volcane> like i say i write it so glad to answer questions, but ideally in #mcollective and not here to keep spam to a minimum :) | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:51:05] * Determinist nods | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:51:46] <Determinist> will do, when i'm at that point, still reading tho :) | ||
| [2010/07/24 12:51:54] <Determinist> bbiab. dinner time. | ||
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| [2010/07/24 14:21:14] <agaffney> I'm currently using tagmail to have the puppetmaster send me an email when errors occur | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:21:27] <agaffney> however, this doesn't work for parse errors that prevent a catalog from being retrieved | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:21:32] <agaffney> how can I get emails for this? | ||
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| [2010/07/24 14:28:54] <Volcane> think its fixed in later versions | ||
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| [2010/07/24 14:29:55] <agaffney> Volcane: the tagmail setup with 'err' will work for catalog compilation failures, too? | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:30:13] <agaffney> does the puppetmaster report it on behalf of the client? | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:32:42] <Volcane> i think they made it work, saw some ticket | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:32:59] <agaffney> hmm | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:33:07] <agaffney> and in the mean time, any suggestions? | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:33:30] <agaffney> it appears as if the client is still sending a report | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:33:49] <agaffney> because I have a cron job that runs once an hour looking for directories in /var/lib/puppet/reports that are older than an hour | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:34:08] <agaffney> and the clien I just found with the parsing problem hasn't been showing up on that list | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:35:05] <Volcane> not sure, i check the age of the localconfig.yaml on each node | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:35:14] <Volcane> if it ages == no compiles | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:38:17] <agaffney> the localconfig.yaml on this box is 3 days old but the reports are up to date | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:38:35] <agaffney> so the client is using the cached catalog (or an empty one) and not reporting any errors | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:38:38] <agaffney> wtf | ||
| [2010/07/24 14:38:46] <agaffney> that's not right | ||
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| [2010/07/24 14:59:47] <Volcane> yeah localconfig is imho the best monitoring point for this stuff atm | ||
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| [2010/07/24 15:09:58] <agaffney> Volcane: meh | ||
| [2010/07/24 15:19:07] <Whoop> Doesn't help for monitoring desktops unfortunately - don't want to have to tie desktops into nagios :( | ||
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| [2010/07/24 15:37:21] <achew22> can someone point me to the bug tracker for puppet? | ||
| [2010/07/24 15:37:38] <|Mike|> utfs :P | ||
| [2010/07/24 15:38:13] <achew22> there aren't any links on http://puppetlabs.com as far as I can see | ||
| [2010/07/24 15:44:36] <Volcane> projects.puppetlabs.com | ||
| [2010/07/24 15:45:29] <achew22> thank you | ||
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| [2010/07/24 16:34:45] <n3kl> Hello. Is it possible to create a hash of hashes to pass to a define? | ||
| [2010/07/24 16:35:30] <Volcane> 2.6 has hashes but not played with them | ||
| [2010/07/24 16:36:34] <n3kl> yeah, I saw that on the language ref, but I wasn't sure if you can put a hash inside, like blag: { value => $hash } | ||
| [2010/07/24 16:37:13] <n3kl> Hey, where is the puppetlabs office in portland? | ||
| [2010/07/24 16:38:09] <Volcane> no idea | ||
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| [2010/07/24 18:05:17] <jamesturnbull> n3kl: we're in old town | ||
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| [2010/07/24 18:05:42] <jamesturnbull> n3kl: try the hashes in hashes - best way to see :) | ||
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| [2010/07/24 18:24:18] <jagannath> Hi. I have just started using puppet. Just curious if there are any puppet add ons built specifically do package management on ubuntu or any other linux distro clients? aka spacewalk/landscape? | ||
| [2010/07/24 18:24:34] <jagannath> I mean along witha web interface too | ||
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| [2010/07/24 18:25:51] <jagannath20101> Hi. I have just started using puppet. Just curious if there are any puppet add ons built specifically do package management on ubuntu or any other linux distro clients? aka spacewalk/landscape? I mean along with a web interface | ||
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