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| [2010/08/02 00:23:36] <paras> Hi | ||
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| [2010/08/02 00:24:45] <paras> Is it possible to trigger a stage when one of the previous steps has not executed properly ? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 00:26:22] <paras> say steps 1 , 2 ,3 are exec statements and one of them fails . So if say step 2 fails is it possible to execute some statement | ||
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| [2010/08/02 00:30:29] <paras> helo | ||
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| [2010/08/02 01:01:47] <eternaltyro> hi | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:02:00] <eternaltyro> wondering what th differences are b/w puppet and chef. | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:02:13] <eternaltyro> can someone enlighten me ?? | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:03:04] * eternaltyro is wondering if someone would tell him the difference between puppet and chef | ||
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| [2010/08/02 01:15:44] <joschi> eternaltyro: http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/FAQ#FAQ-HowisChefdifferentthanPuppet%3F | ||
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| [2010/08/02 01:35:00] <eternaltyro> joschi: Thank you .. that is helpful. | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:36:43] <eternaltyro> joschi: But I guess the underlying concepts are same for the three after all.. Chef cfengine and puppet. | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:37:22] <joschi> eternaltyro: well, they all help you in your configuration management, but the concepts are different | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:37:33] <joschi> and the implementations of course ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:38:00] <joschi> eternaltyro: they also differ in the level of abstraction and what a `resource` is | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:38:22] <eternaltyro> joschi: oh.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:39:43] <eternaltyro> joschi: I can still see strong similarities between them.. I try to look at it superficially. Right now I just want to get things done.. ;-) | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:40:21] <joschi> eternaltyro: well, then just pick one and dive into it. there is no 'wrong choice' between the three you mentioned | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:41:05] <eternaltyro> joschi: I wanted to dive into Chef.. But then found it difficult to set up. Then I went for Puppet.. I got somethings working. | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:41:22] <eternaltyro> joschi: I have no working knowledge of ruby.. :( | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:42:09] <joschi> eternaltyro: so you have to learn a new DSL no matter which one (puppet, chef, cfengine) you choose | ||
| [2010/08/02 01:42:35] <joschi> eternaltyro: with puppet (>=2.6.0) and chef you could pick up some ruby on the way which might be useful later | ||
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| [2010/08/02 01:43:55] <eternaltyro> joschi: hmmm. that would be nice.. Should do it.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 02:16:24] <bronto> masterzen: are you here? | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:16:36] <masterzen> bronto: yes I am | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:17:15] <bronto> masterzen: good. Do you remember the bug I filed to debian for the high CPU consumption of the ruby package? They assert that it may be fixed now: | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:17:30] <masterzen> bronto: oh, that's a good news | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:17:36] <bronto> masterzen: check bug #579229 | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:17:40] <madduck> does anyone know of a git clone recipe? i just want to manage git clones and keep them up to date | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:17:49] <madduck> http://www.puppetmanaged.org/module/git tries to do too much | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:18:21] <bronto> masterzen: I didn't test it actually. I must say that in the changelog they published I didn't spot nothing that I could relate to the problem, but maybe it's just my ignorance... | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:19:02] <bronto> maybe there's someone on the channel that would like to try it on Squeeze? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 02:19:46] <masterzen> bronto: the interesting thing is: Add patch 100730_disable_getsetcontext_on_nptl: disable getsetcontext on NPTL | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:20:04] <bronto> masterzen: OK, ignorance confirmed then :-D | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:20:04] <masterzen> bronto: I'm not sure that fixes completely the issue, but I'm sure that it can help | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:20:13] <bronto> masterzen: I see | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:21:52] <masterzen> bronto: I won't really have time to test the fix though... | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:22:20] <bronto> masterzen: OK. I hope that someone who has a Squeeze at hand can. | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:22:32] <bronto> (I don't have one...) | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:22:50] <masterzen> bronto: I have one, but my schedule is really tight this week, and going in vacation soon... you see... | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:23:09] <bronto> masterzen: ah... vacation... sweet word... so far away for me... :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:24:28] <masterzen> bronto: that's one of the nice thing, regarding working in France... | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:25:10] <bronto> masterzen: I can have enough vacation here, I just delayed them until September, so that I didn't take any during my probation period | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:25:23] <masterzen> bronto: oh I see | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:28:15] <masterzen> bronto: anyway, thanks for the follow-up regarding the bug. | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:36:59] <madduck> if I pass an array to a define, can I get the first element with puppet? | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:37:58] <zipkid> madduck: in puppet 2.6 you can. iirc | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:39:08] <madduck> :( | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:39:24] <madduck> hm, inline_template… | ||
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| [2010/08/02 02:44:08] <zipkid> madduck: split() | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:44:40] <zipkid> ah no, that works the opposit way.... | ||
| [2010/08/02 02:45:01] <madduck> ;) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 03:07:02] <unixdaemon> Which module are people using for managing their mysql grants? And do you like it? (github has many) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 03:07:52] <bronto> masterzen: my pleasure ;) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 03:22:39] <wayland76> Hi all, I have a suggestion for some new syntax for the Augeas part of Puppet | ||
| [2010/08/02 03:23:26] <wayland76> http://pastebin.com/jM4HZ4Qi | ||
| [2010/08/02 03:23:42] <wayland76> Note the onlyif syntax | ||
| [2010/08/02 03:24:01] <wayland76> I actually had this working at one point by (evilly) doing an eval in Ruby. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 03:24:26] <wayland76> And actually, it's not the syntax I'm so much interested in, as the idea of chaining things together. | ||
| [2010/08/02 03:24:55] <wayland76> Is there any chance we could do something like this in Puppet? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 03:36:39] <wayland76> I'd probably prefer it if the "onlyif" syntax looked like: match "#{context}/dir" | get | grep "/exports" | negate | ||
| [2010/08/02 03:36:43] <wayland76> ...or something | ||
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| [2010/08/02 04:06:34] <simplechat> Here does puppetd keep its signed certificates? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 04:08:11] <barn> ssldir is often /var/lib/puppet/ssl IIRC | ||
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| [2010/08/02 04:10:58] <simplechat> thanks :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:25:30] <madduck> i can require a definition, it seems, e.g. require => Config_option[…] | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:25:38] <madduck> but what if the config option is in a namespace? | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:25:44] <madduck> require => Git::clone_repo[…] | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:25:46] <madduck> yields | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:25:55] <madduck> Syntax error at '::clone_repo'; expected '}' | ||
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| [2010/08/02 04:39:39] <joschi> madduck: Git::Clone_repo[...] | ||
| [2010/08/02 04:39:51] <joschi> madduck: each component has to be capitalized | ||
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| [2010/08/02 04:48:07] <madduck> joschi: thanks, that was it. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 05:25:00] <madduck> http://git.madduck.net/v/puppet/modules/git.git/blob/HEAD:/README | ||
| [2010/08/02 05:26:58] <tim|mac> now you got me curious! :D | ||
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| [2010/08/02 05:28:12] <madduck> i need a way to keep my modules up to date | ||
| [2010/08/02 05:28:15] <madduck> (and many other repos) | ||
| [2010/08/02 05:28:43] <madduck> update, i renamed git::repo to git::repository | ||
| [2010/08/02 05:29:13] <madduck> and git submodules isn't what I want | ||
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| [2010/08/02 06:21:28] <failshell> hey guys. can you use plain ruby in a template in 2.6? like <%= some_ruby_code %> ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:21:51] <shenson> failshell: templates are erb, so you could already use ruby code | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:22:13] <rmiller4pi8> failshell: just drop the "=" | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:22:21] <rmiller4pi8> that means 'evaluate a variable' | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:22:24] <failshell> i wonder if its better to create a fact to get the current date/time or to put it in my template | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:23:03] <rmiller4pi8> failshell: just so you know, templates that evaluate differently on every run are somewhat expensive | ||
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| [2010/08/02 06:23:44] <failshell> that's my impression | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:23:50] <failshell> so ill create a fact then | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:23:59] <hal-j> pwd | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:24:06] <hal-j> ffs, sorry.. wrong window :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:25:50] <failshell> 2.6 is much slower than 0.24 was | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:25:58] <failshell> i hope we get to force the catalog format one day | ||
| [2010/08/02 06:26:06] <failshell> that seems to be taking a long time on each run | ||
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| [2010/08/02 06:49:05] <failshell> since we upgrade to 2.6, we've started to get this issue where we have to run the client a few times for it to pick up the changes on the master. anyone else seen that? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:13:13] <FiXion> trying to setup apache+passenger - client fails -saying it's failing to retrieve info from puppet://myserver.fqdn/plugins | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:13:22] <FiXion> I don't have a plugins folder in /etc/puppet | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:13:29] <FiXion> nor in the apache documentroot | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:13:40] <zipkid> hmmmm Getting this strange error with 2.6: "err: Duplicate definition: Package[ruby-mysql] is already defined in file /etc/puppet/modules/package/manifests/ruby/mysql.pp at line 7; cannot redefine at /etc/puppet/modules/package/manifests/ruby/mysql.pp:7 on node" | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:13:44] <FiXion> I tried to follow the http://projects.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Using_Passenger | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:14:04] * tim|mac is finding himself creating run-once puppet scripts to install stuff on his desktop and the like... anyone else does that too or am i just silly? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:15:30] <spawnyd> hi! I use the gem provider for a script that I deploy on some of my hosts and it always reports a notice "ensure created" back that really bugs me. With a remote gem it just works as expected, no notice. gem list listed my gem on the host, too. Any hint to get the notice fixed? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:15:55] <henk> tim|mac: i was thinking about doing something like that... didn't yet though. imho it's good for recreating an exact same desktop in case you kill it somehow. | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:16:36] <tim|mac> henk: I use it to setup certain features (like my smartcard and stuff) that I only really need to run once on a desktop | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:16:52] <tim|mac> or currently, I'm creating a recipe to setup GlassFish from the zips | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:17:04] <tim|mac> I don't want that recipe running every time puppetd runs | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:17:17] <tim|mac> but it's easier than creating a shell script, really... | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:17:21] <craftytech> hey guys... how should I setup my runinterval, if I just want the client to listen for puppet runs? runinterval = 0? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:25:49] <madduck> craftytech: no-client | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:26:34] <FiXion> anyone have a guide to install puppetmaster on apache+passenger ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:26:59] <craftytech> madduck: Is that an argument that I can pass via puppet.conf? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:27:13] <madduck> i'd say so, check 'puppetd --genconfig' output | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:28:09] <craftytech> thanks madduck | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:28:42] <craftytech> fiXion are you talking about dashboard or foreman.. puppetmaster by itself doesn't need a webserver | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:29:18] <FiXion> craftytech: I am using this: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/Using_Passenger | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:29:32] <FiXion> currently just running puppetmasterd (webrick) and it doesn't handle 80+ clients very well | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:29:35] <zipkid> craftytech: dashboard or foreman don't either.... but they all work more efficient with one | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:30:30] <FiXion> so as I understand it (not a rails guy) is that the normal way to run puppet is with ruby_on_rails module (with f.ex. apache) | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:31:30] <craftytech> hmmm... interesting.. do you already have puppet configured? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:31:36] <FiXion> yes | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:31:55] <FiXion> I have a working puppet install - copied the master files over and ran puppetmaster on the new server. | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:32:14] <craftytech> and you're trying to incorporate apache for what reason.. performance? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:32:30] <FiXion> performance. I have several random timeouts | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:32:40] <FiXion> and was told (in the bug) to try using something other than webrick - f.ex. passenger | ||
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| [2010/08/02 07:33:43] <craftytech> I use passenger config for Foreman, but as far as I know, pupeptmaster works best with its own webserver | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:34:37] <craftytech> you should probably post that question on the google groups, i'd be interesting to see the input of the group | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:36:02] <FiXion> the bug is 4035 | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:36:07] <FiXion> I was told to use mongrel or passenger | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:36:21] <RedPepper> hi there | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:36:30] <FiXion> no one here using passenger for puppetmaster ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:37:17] <RedPepper> i have a issue with a recipe when i use a recipe that runs well on 0.25.x and when i updated to 2.60 it rans in the following error | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:37:26] <RedPepper> Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Could not intern from pson: Could not convert from pson: Could not find relationship target "Authorized-keys2[mbecker]" | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:38:57] <FiXion> RedPepper: just a crazy idea. try: catalog_format = marshal | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:39:02] <FiXion> in puppet.conf | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:39:09] <FiXion> it may have nothing to do with it | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:39:17] <RedPepper> on the master or the agents ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:39:36] <FiXion> I think only the client uses it. | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:39:48] <FiXion> but it's merely a crazy idea - that could be tested quickly | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:40:00] <RedPepper> wait a minute | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:40:29] <RedPepper> works | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:40:36] <RedPepper> thanks ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 07:40:40] <FiXion> your welcome :) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:11:46] <zipkid> has the configuration of storeconfigs changed in 2.6? i keep getting "warning: You cannot collect without storeconfigs being set on line 38 in file.." The same is working on 0.25 on my prod server.... | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:15:43] <madduck> is Exec::logoutput just a trick? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:16:01] <madduck> I set it to on_failure, but my logs get filled with e.g. | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:16:02] <madduck> Aug 2 17:15:15 vera puppetd[15778]: (//site-puppetmaster::modules/Site-puppetmaster::Modules::Module_gitrepo[sysctl]/Git::Repository[/etc/puppet/modules/production/sysctl]/Exec[checkout::/etc/puppet/modules/production/sysctl::master]/returns) executed successfully | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:16:06] <madduck> Aug 2 17:15:15 vera puppetd[15778]: (//site-puppetmaster::modules/Site-puppetmaster::Modules::Module_gitrepo[sysctl]/Git::Repository[/etc/puppet/modules/production/sysctl]/Exec[checkout::/etc/puppet/modules/production/sysctl::master]) Triggering 'refresh' from 1 dependencies | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:28:18] <Volcane> madduck: logoutput logs the output from your script on failure. | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:29:30] <madduck> Volcane: fair enough; so how I can stop puppetd from logging so verbosely? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:32:40] <Volcane> i suspect if you make it not log those it wont log any changes | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:33:17] <madduck> :( | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:33:33] <madduck> the exec type should really have a flag to inhibit them | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:34:17] <Volcane> dont use puppet like crond :P | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:34:39] <madduck> huh? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:38:04] <madduck> Volcane: hm, I think you are suggesting that I don't run git-pull from exec{} but instead install a cron resource for each repository? | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:38:47] <Volcane> there's a vcsrepo type | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:41:25] <benkevan> when I start my puppetmaster I'm getting "invalid mount files" | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:41:52] <windowsrefund> hello | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:42:46] <madduck> Volcane: oh, ic. :(( | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:43:17] <madduck> Volcane: this being a type+provider, am I correct in assuming I need to create a module to distribute the files to the clients? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:44:03] <Volcane> madduck: any module will do | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:44:24] <Volcane> madduck: so if you already have some common module for a few utility defines or something, then that there | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:44:35] <madduck> now i wonder why the vcsrepo type doesn't come with appropriate manifests | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:49:01] <benkevan> i keep my files in with my modules ($modules/files) how can I make this change for fileserv.conf for it to use that layout? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:53:53] <Volcane> madduck: but mostly my issue with doing regular work with puppet is that if you rely on that work happening, you should probably add a cronjob cos puppet can easily stop working with a simple typo preventing compiles etc | ||
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| [2010/08/02 08:54:11] <madduck> Volcane: yeah, you are right. but i am still trying vcsrepo | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:54:18] <madduck> but thank you, this is a new perspective on existing work. | ||
| [2010/08/02 08:54:21] <madduck> bbiab | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:34:36] <benkevan> how can I set my files to pull from my modules? I'm failing miserabley at this | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:37:29] <windowsrefund> follow one of the dozens of examples? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:38:48] <joe-mac> source => "puppet:///modules/modulename/filename" | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:38:51] <Volcane> benkevan: without pasties of configs, manifests and errors you have zero chance of getting helped - as always | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:39:00] <benkevan> yeah.. working on that right now | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:40:56] <Volcane> joe-mac: #4433 :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:40:57] <gepetto> Volcane: joe-mac: #4433 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/4433 "Puppet - Bug #4433: Add hash support to extlookup - Puppet Labs" | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:43:40] <benkevan> http://www.fpaste.org/Vp1R/ < LMK if you want more | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:44:11] <Volcane> benkevan: you dont need the 'files' bit in the source address | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:44:28] <Volcane> puppet:///modules/sudo/sudoers maps to moduledir/sudo/files/sudoers | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:45:49] <benkevan> k let me try that | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:45:59] <benkevan> nope.. still.. get err: Could not run Puppet configuration client: Could not retrieve information from source(s) puppet:///modules/sudo/sudoers at /etc/puppet/environments/production/modules/sudoers/manifests/init.pp:8 | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:46:34] <Volcane> did you add a modules section to fileserver.conf? | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:47:24] <benkevan> no | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:48:17] <benkevan> and I'm not sure how it should look with multiple environments | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:48:27] <Volcane> as documented on the wiki. | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:49:02] <benkevan> just saw that part for puppet.conf.. but what to set in fileserv.conf? | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:49:06] <Volcane> http://docs.reductivelabs.com/guides/modules.html | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:49:49] <joe-mac> leet Volcane | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:52:10] <benkevan> grr.. here's my fileserv.conf http://www.fpaste.org/9Nft/ | ||
| [2010/08/02 09:52:55] <Volcane> benkevan: and show is 'tree sudoers' for your module | ||
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| [2010/08/02 09:59:32] <benkevan> man.. I can't get over this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520 | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:17:46] <benkevan_> I found out my file issue.. (this is going to be really stupid).. my module name was actually sudoers and not sudo.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:17:58] <benkevan_> I forgot I renamed it | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:19:35] <benkevan_> On another note.. is there any other way I can define a puppet agent to be a different environment in nodes.pp? or will I have to define in puppet.conf? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:23:07] <aforgue> benkevan_: not that I know of, the environment is loaded even before nodes.pp is evaluated/parsed | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:23:14] <aforgue> because your environment defines which nodes.pp you get | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:23:57] <benkevan_> aforgue: ah.. ok.. i'm actually using a single nodes.pp for all my environments.. maybe I should just segment it out.. really 99% of all mine will be on production.. with maybe 3 pulling from development (ok.. that's more like 98% .. but yeah) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:27:23] <hal-j> if I'm understanding the question, you COULD add an "environment" param to a node, and template puppet.conf | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:28:06] <aforgue> I'd rather use external nodes for that kind of thing, but yeah, you could do that too | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:28:22] <benkevan_> hal-j: how can you add to node.pp? or are you talking about having multiple puppet.conf.erb templates? one per each environment | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:36:22] <aforgue> He means have a template for puppet.conf that sets the proper environment based on a var you set in the node definition | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:36:41] <hal-j> sorry… yeah, exactly | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:37:30] <aforgue> I just wish #2834 would get fixed and then this would be a moot point | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:37:31] <gepetto> aforgue: #2834 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/2834 "Puppet - Bug #2834: external node classifier should take client's idea of the environment into account - Puppet Labs" | ||
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| [2010/08/02 10:39:41] <aforgue> ALso #3910 | ||
| [2010/08/02 10:39:41] <gepetto> aforgue: #3910 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/3910 "Puppet - Bug #3910: Class/File source mismatch when client/node classifier disagree on facts. - Puppet Labs" | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:07:42] <windowsrefund> hello | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:08:28] <windowsrefund> I've got ssl errors between my master and client and removing files under /etc/puppet/ssl is not clearing things up | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:09:16] <windowsrefund> I just regenerated the cert on the server using --certname puppet | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:20:49] <benkevan_> grrr.. now I'm getting /usr/lib64/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/puppet/util/autoload.rb:135:in `open': Permission denied - /etc/puppet/environments/production/modules (Errno::EACCES) | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:21:06] <benkevan_> when I try to launch puppet master.. it was after I tried to push out sudoers .. for some reason (yet sudoers file seems fine) | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:21:24] <Volcane> benkevan_: unix perms or selinux | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:21:52] * benkevan_ hopes that he didn't change permissions on /etc hahah | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:23:06] <benkevan_> yah.. seems to be it.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:23:35] <benkevan_> when defining a class.. I had path => /etc shoudl it be full path to the file being managed? ie /etc/sudoers? or just /etc/ | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:23:47] <Volcane> full | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:25:34] <benkevan_> ah.. i see the problem.. for some reason my sudo class is making my sudoers file a directory.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:26:05] <benkevan_> notice: /Stage[main]/Sudo/File[sudoers]/ensure: ensure changed 'file' to 'directory' | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:27:22] <benkevan_> why would that be making ensure is directory? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:27:27] <benkevan_> let me get the fpaste | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:29:18] <miah> because you have "ensure => directory" | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:29:21] <miah> ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:00] <benkevan_> http://www.fpaste.org/a5mK/ | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:01] <miah> path should be the full path of the file eg, /etc/sudoers | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:24] <nicklewis> Is your source a directory? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:28] <miah> your source is a directory | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:32] <miah> it ends in a trailing slah | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:32] <Volcane> benkevan_: your source should be the file | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:30:35] <benkevan_> sorry.. i tried both | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:30:56] <miah> modules/sudoers/sudoers | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:31:05] <miah> would likely work | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:32:32] <joe-mac> do you have defaults set somewhere? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:32:43] <joe-mac> like at the beginning oft he class, File { ensure => "directory" } | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:32:57] <benkevan_> joe-mac: nope.. I did a grep for directory in the whole puppet to make sure nothing was defining as ensure => directory | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:33:10] <Volcane> you're telling it to fetch a directory | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:33:13] <Volcane> so its fetching a directory | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:33:16] <Volcane> just fix your source | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:34:00] <joe-mac> ah, missed that buit above | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:34:02] <joe-mac> sorry | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:34:25] <benkevan_> err: Could not run Puppet configuration client: Error 400 on SERVER: Permission denied - /etc/puppet/environments/production/modules/sudoers/files/sudoers Could not retrieve file metadata for puppet:///modules/sudoers/sudoers: Error 400 on SERVER: Permission denied - /etc/puppet/environments/production/modules/sudoers/files/sudoers at /etc/puppet/environments/production/modules/sudoers/manifests/init.pp:8 | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:34:31] <benkevan_> ah ok.. now I'm getting permissions error.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:34:36] <benkevan_> guess that's better.. :) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:34:55] <miah> your path is weird, it doesnt include the name of the server | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:34:57] <benkevan_> what permissions are files supposed to be whilest waiting to get swallowed? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:04] <Volcane> miah: doesnt need to | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:35:06] <miah> puppet://SERVER/modules/sudoers/sudoers | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:07] <miah> no? | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:11] <benkevan_> miah: puppet:/// (third slash = user puppet master) | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:13] <miah> eh, i guess i'm crazy =) | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:14] <Volcane> benkevan_: readable by puppet user | ||
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| [2010/08/02 11:35:28] <Volcane> miah: puppet:///foo fill in your current server for you | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:35:32] <miah> ah ok | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:36:20] <benkevan_> Volcane: perfect.. now just have to remember that something like that must be readable via puppet user | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:36:38] <benkevan_> miah: yah.. I'm still new to puppet.. read the 3rd slash on the wiki.. love it HAHA | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:37:02] <Volcane> std unix 'permission denied' debug methods apply | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:37:11] <Volcane> wants to access a file, cant, look with ps what the user is, fix the file | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:42:10] <benkevan_> man.. I can't get enough of this idiot .. snatchin' yo peeple up HAHA.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 11:42:16] <benkevan_> thanks Volcane and all for the help so far.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:01:20] <ashp> uhhh harvard is moving all of their dns to some 'infoblox grid' | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:01:26] <ashp> has anyone ever heard of this - is it going to make me wish for death? | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:01:57] <Volcane> infoblox isnt bad | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:02:22] <ashp> it's just an appliance style dns server? | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:02:28] <Volcane> roughly | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:05:56] <benkevan_> yes.. we're on infoblox | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:06:11] <benkevan_> our biggest problem is non redundant power supplies | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:28:31] <madduck> Volcane: the vcsrepo type does not seem capable of updating a checked out clone | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:29:00] <Volcane> hmm, wtf | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:29:13] <madduck> the stuff seems there, but it's just not happening | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:29:35] <madduck> I called git reset --hard HEAD^ and would have expected the next run to do git-pull, which would have fast-forwarded | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:30:06] <madduck> I cannot figure out how/why pull() would ever be called. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:40:00] <madduck> Volcane: and btw, the way to inhibit the verbosity of exec is: | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:40:01] <madduck> logoutput => on_failure, | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:40:01] <madduck> loglevel => debug | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:40:46] <madduck> except that means that output will be logged at debug level | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:40:49] <madduck> but you do get | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:40:50] <madduck> err: //test::exec/Exec[failing_with_output]/returns: change from notrun to 0 failed: sh -c 'echo >&2 error output; exit 1' returned 1 instead of one of [0] at /etc/puppet/modules/production/test/manifests/init.pp:43 | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:40:54] <madduck> alongside | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:41:17] <madduck> there seems to be no way to inhibit verbose logging without affecting failure output | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:41:36] * madduck files a wishlist | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:53:54] <madduck> logoutput is till a lie, the output of | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:53:54] <madduck> command => "sh -c 'echo >&2 error output; exit 1'", | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:53:58] <madduck> is never logged | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:56:26] <mikey_p> any idea what would cause a connection error like: http://pastie.org/1071517 | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:57:01] <mikey_p> is it possibly a firewall issue on the puppetmaster? | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:57:24] <joe-mac> or it's not really running properly | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:57:27] <madduck> mikey_p: DNS troubles. check out the Debian bug reports for such an issue that I filed recently. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 12:58:03] <mikey_p> madduck: i don't think it's DNS issues anymore, I fixed those, and it was working for while, but now I'm not sure what I changed | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:58:12] <madduck> check out the bug report. | ||
| [2010/08/02 12:59:44] <zahna> guys, can anyone point me to some good examples of puppet management of user accounts? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:00:07] <madduck> zahna: the docs? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:00:35] <zahna> madduck: except they only list the resources, not good strategies for managing them | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:01] <madduck> zahna: if you have many users and you need "strategies", I suggest using kerberos or ldap anyway | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:02] <zahna> i don't need a reference, but some strategy suggestions | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:12] <madduck> there's a suggestion. ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:17] <zahna> i'm moving from ldap to puppet :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:35] <madduck> don't. | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:01:49] <madduck> puppet is about system configuration, not user management. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:02:15] <joe-mac> not really | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:02:17] <madduck> oh dear. logoutput==on_failure logs stdout of the command, not stderr. | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:02:24] <joe-mac> puppet can be about user management if you're crazy :-D | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:02:31] <madduck> of course | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:02:42] <madduck> if you're crazy, puppet could also replace APT | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:02:44] <madduck> entirely | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:03:27] <zahna> except i don't have many users at all | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:03:30] <zahna> and they won't really change | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:03:38] <odyi> Don't think I would ever manage more then 10 or 20 users with puppet. | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:03:58] <madduck> zahna: so just create a module to instantiate them. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:04:25] <madduck> #2359 about logoutput and stderr | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:25] <gepetto> madduck: #2359 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/2359 "Puppet - Bug #2359: stderr output from exec resource is lost - Puppet Labs" | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:28] <joe-mac> luckily the only people who need to have unix/linux users are people in my team and a few select devs | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:31] <madduck> (OH DEAR!) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:38] <joe-mac> i'd need to do AD integration otherwise, and that's a mess | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:44] <duritong> madduck: did you define an unless? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:04:56] <duritong> or an onlyif? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:05:21] <duritong> because otherwise it is clear that the exec is executed everytime and this should definitely be reported | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:06:11] <mikey_p> madduck: no, i'm a dope, puppetmasterd wasn't running :( | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:06:50] <madduck> eric0: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3836 -- maybe mod it up. ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:07:10] <madduck> duritong: nah, a simple test case | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:07:29] <madduck> mikey_p: gotta love puppet's error messages! | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:07:46] <madduck> they're like postanarcho poetry | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:08:21] <mikey_p> meh, my day job is writing PHP, error messages shmerror messages..... | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:08:27] <eric0> madduck: +1'd | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:08:29] <duritong> madduck: well the exec should know whether it has to be reexecuted or not, so you need to define an onlyif or unless param of the exec. otherwise it is by design that the exec is executed over and over again | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:08:41] * madduck hands mikey_p a cookie | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:08:54] <madduck> duritong: that is not my issue… | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:08:59] <madduck> duritong: what are you referring to? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:14] <duritong> madduck: can you give the exec example? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:29] <duritong> madduck: have a look at the exec type | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:48] <madduck> exec { failing_with_output: | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:48] <madduck> command => "/bin/sh -c 'echo >&2 stderr; echo stdout; exit 1'", | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:48] <madduck> logoutput => on_failure, | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:48] <madduck> } | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:09:57] <madduck> this causes only "stdout" to be logged | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:10:16] <duritong> madduck: yes but how should puppet know whether it has to apply that resource or not? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:10:37] <duritong> the statement you see in the bugreport is that the exec is applied | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:10:45] <madduck> duritong: i don't know what you are talking about. I want it to run every time since this is a test-case… | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:10:59] <madduck> duritong: which bug report? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:11:10] <duritong> #4438 | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:11:10] <gepetto> duritong: #4438 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/4438 "Puppet - Feature #4438: exec log level to high for informational messages - Puppet Labs" | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:11:16] <duritong> The exec type is chatty. For every run, it prints something like | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:12:02] <madduck> duritong: ok. well, I don't /want/ to now it ran. If it didn't exit with an error, it was happy and there is no need to tell me. | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:12:28] <duritong> madduck: ok you can do that | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:12:31] <duritong> wait a moment | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:12:50] <madduck> Exec { loglevel => info } | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:13:14] <madduck> but I am arguing that such messages are informational and should not appear at the (default) notice level | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:13:17] <duritong> yes that is it | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:13:34] <duritong> aha I see, well there is some context missing in your bugreport | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:13:40] <madduck> sorry | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:13:46] <madduck> what should I add? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:14:14] <duritong> your teststatement with your default loglevel setting and what you expect it to do | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:14:51] <duritong> because for me it looked like you want to silence the exec in general | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:16:19] <madduck> i do want to silence it if it returns without errors | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:16:31] <madduck> that is what any well-behaved exec or script or tool or program should do | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:03] <madduck> /bin/true does not exit with "successfully set return code to 0", and /bin/cat does not write "successfully concatenated file(s)." | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:04] <duritong> except that a well-behaved exec in puppet should only be applied in puppet if it really needs to | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:13] <madduck> heck /bin/cp doesn't say "successfully copied", etc. ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:29] <duritong> but I agree that there are execs which need to run everytime | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:38] <madduck> there are execs that need to execute before you can tell it needed to execute | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:17:59] <madduck> duritong: can I include this discussion in the bug report? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:18:02] <duritong> yes they are hard to make them idempodent | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:18:09] <duritong> madduck: you can | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:19:32] <duritong> madduck: and make it clear that you are not talking about the default exec usage | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:20:14] <madduck> but I am, no? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:20:41] <duritong> well puppet should report that it applied a certain resource, not? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:20:44] <duritong> in general | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:20:52] <duritong> it also reports that a packe is installed | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:21:30] <madduck> duritong: then maybe exec needs to grow a new property like "verbose => false" ? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:23:03] <madduck> duritong: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/4438 updated | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:23:40] <duritong> madduck: in general resources report about what they are doing and so does the exec, if you don't specify a way for the type to figure out that it doesn't need to apply the resource | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:23:46] <lwhalen> hey all | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:23:53] <lwhalen> in 25.5, what is the path for templates within a module? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:14] <duritong> madduck: what you can currently do is to redirect the reporting to the info level, but you like to silence it in general | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:14] <madduck> duritong: so maybe I need to set loglevel=>info? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:25] <duritong> madduck: I thought you did? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:28] <madduck> duritong: nah, it can stay informational | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:31] <lwhalen> I'm getting this error message: Could not find value for 'mc' at /etc/puppet/modules/mc_pgsqlconf/manifests/config.pp:3 | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:33] <madduck> i just don't want syslog spammed. ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:35] <duritong> 22:12 < madduck> Exec { loglevel => info } | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:24:54] <duritong> info messages aren't printed in daemon or non --test mode | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:24:55] <madduck> duritong: or set it on exactly those execs that I expect to run over and over again | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:07] <duritong> madduck: exactly this is what I do | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:19] <madduck> lwhalen: you need to provide way more information | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:27] <madduck> like the file | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:30] <lwhalen> well, here's my manifest: | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:30] <lwhalen> http://www.pastie.org/1071569 | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:40] <lwhalen> (sorry, slow on the pastie-uptake today) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:48] <lwhalen> the actual ERB stuff is incoming... | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:25:54] <madduck> lwhalen: the template references mc, which is undefined | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:26:43] <lwhalen> here's the ERB:http://www.pastie.org/1071573 | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:27:03] <lwhalen> mc-mtamaster and mc-mtaslave are custom Facter facts, and they do indeed show up in 'facter -p' | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:27:21] <lwhalen> facter | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:27:25] <lwhalen> errr, wrong window | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:27:39] <madduck> lwhalen: don't use -, use _ | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:27:48] <lwhalen> argh | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:27:51] <madduck> mc-mtamaster to ruby probably means mc minus mtamaster | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:28:12] <madduck> and you cannot even blame ruby for that. ;) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:35:39] <lwhalen> do I want to use 'eq', or '==' for that string comparison? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:40:44] <eric0> there is no 'eq' operator in ruby. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:41:54] <schimmi> looking for ideas how to implement configuration rollback, i.e. when I switch the hostname of the node, all the resources of the old hostname should be undone. any idea? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:44:13] <lwhalen> eric0: well then, that answers my question :-) | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:45:32] <Volcane> schimmi: reinstall | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:46:55] <schimmi> Volcane: well, a less destructive method would be prefered | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:47:10] <Volcane> schimmi: you cant just roll back. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:54:14] <schimmi> I know it can be tricky. Most resources in puppet are non-negative, i.e. they never remove or delete something | ||
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| [2010/08/02 13:54:58] <schimmi> e.g. I would like to have a resource promising that exactly a set of packages is installed. not only at least the given ones, but exactly | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:55:16] <schimmi> if I change that claim, puppet would/should also remove packages if needed | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:55:37] <schimmi> there are other cases like that, e.g. static network routes, created users, etc. | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:57:45] <Volcane> why cant you just reinstall? | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:57:50] <Volcane> you'll never get it 100% right | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:58:22] <schimmi> because reinstalling takes 10 minutes or so | ||
| [2010/08/02 13:58:39] <schimmi> maybe snapshotting might be an idea if supported by the filesystem | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:00:01] <schimmi> something like a minute would be acceptable, but not much more | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:00:43] <Volcane> whats your use case that needs machines to change roles that quickly? quicker than even your typical puppet run | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:02:37] <schimmi> it's to roll out changes for systems whose downtime is to be minimized as much as possible | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:05:00] <Volcane> well if you literally write all manifests to also contain a negative | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:05:12] <schimmi> and it's about reducing the complexity of maintenance of the puppet code: of course you can add a negative rule to roll back older changes. but by that the number of negative rules increase with every change you ever undo with that | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:05:13] <Volcane> and switch it with a fact you could probably do it, but you'd need to write the rollback/negative logic | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:05:19] <Volcane> puppet doesnt track it so it can undo | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:05:22] <schimmi> exactly | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:37:07] <lwhalen> is there an easy way to turn a gem into an RPM? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:38:22] @ Quit: bodepd: Quit: bodepd | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:38:40] <Volcane> there are a few gem2rpm commands | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:39:48] <benkevan> Sorry if this sounds stupid.. but is there a way I can make a conditional statement.. with $operatingsystem which is outside of another class? ie.. I want to define a certain import (yada yada) but only want it to be imported on machines that are SLES | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:40:44] <Volcane> do you mean include? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:40:50] <Volcane> import doesnt work that way | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:41:04] <benkevan> Volcane: yes.. include.. sorry (have modules in my mind) | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:41:11] <lwhalen> I wrote a facter fact, and now The Big Boss wants that fact to be able to query LDAP to set a variable | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:41:30] <lwhalen> the best way I can figure to do that is to use net-ldap | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:41:37] <lwhalen> but that's only available as a Gem as far as I can find | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:42:09] <Volcane> benkevan: in your node, or in some other class you can just have a case of an if statement and conditionally include it | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:42:11] <lwhalen> adding a whoooole new type to manage into Puppet isn't my idea of a fun time right now, life would suck a whole lot less if I could just make it into an RPM to cram onto our internal repository | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:42:59] <Volcane> lwhalen: google gem2rpm. and puppet package{} support gem2rpm | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:43:00] <benkevan> Volcane: ah.. ok.. I didn't know that it supported case.. YAY.. just saw that in the wii too.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:45:20] <Volcane> lwhalen: you could also just system out to the ldapquery tool. | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:46:57] <lwhalen> ldapquery? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:47:01] <lwhalen> you mean 'ldapsearch'? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:47:09] <Volcane> yeah - years since i used ldap :P | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:48:28] <lwhalen> is it wise to upgrade CentOS 5.5's 1.8.5 Ruby to 1.8.7? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:48:37] <Volcane> depends how you do it | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:49:21] <lwhalen> stick the 1.8.7 RPM in my internal repo and tell puppet to enforce version => "1.8.7" | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:49:31] <lwhalen> maybe? | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:49:32] <lwhalen> :-D | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:51:20] <benkevan> can I have nested cases? will puppet work fine with those? (if no answer trying now anyways) | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:52:21] <Volcane> benkevan: most of what you ask can be answered by just trying it in a test.pp file with notice() statements then 'puppet test.pp' | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:54:38] <benkevan> Volcane: hummm.. I'll have to give that a go | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:54:41] <benkevan> didn't know I could do that.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:54:56] <Volcane> benkevan: read http://www.devco.net/archives/2009/08/19/tips_and_tricks_for_puppet_debugging.php | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:55:30] <benkevan> I just found out I can do SLES,suse: :D for cases.. that makes me smile | ||
| [2010/08/02 14:56:24] <benkevan> wow.. that looks much better then me making some silly change like path => /etc and over writting the permissions of /etc to what sudoers should have been set to haha | ||
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| [2010/08/02 14:59:29] <benkevan> Volcane: SWEEEEEEET | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:03:57] <miah> suse makes me cringe | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:04:16] <benkevan> miah: why? | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:04:20] <miah> bugggggggggggggs | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:04:29] <benkevan> specifically? | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:04:52] <miah> bugs in general, i had to use it for a puppet project a bit over a year ago. i ran into all sorts of stupid quirks | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:02] <miah> autoyast was broken in multiple ways | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:10] <benkevan> miah: what version of sles? | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:15] <miah> er, opensuse | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:28] <miah> and i've used suse on and off over the years and it has always been the same | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:39] <benkevan> miah: ah.. yeah and my Fedora 13 machine hard crashes.. about twice a week.. :o) no reason to compare RHEL to that.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:45] <miah> i dont run fedora | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:52] <benkevan> I actually think openSUSE 11.3 is good.. 11.2 was blah | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:05:57] <miah> and i'll never run suse ever again | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:06:40] <miah> i loved how 11.1 detected nics in a different order during install than after install | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:06:46] <miah> made autoyast funnnnnnnnnnnnnnn | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:06:58] <benkevan> miah: hehe.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:07:11] * odyi has had ubuntu to that once or twice... | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:07:20] <odyi> I think it was around the gutsy era. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:07:22] <miah> ya, i dont run ubuntu or debian either :P | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:07:37] <benkevan> yeah.. I don't care for Ubuntu.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:08:02] <benkevan> miah: did you remove /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net* before deploying new openSUSE? that's always fixed those for me | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:08:08] <miah> please feel free to run whatever you like. i just ran into too many issues with suse and opensuse to consider running it | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:08:17] <benkevan> I run Fedora on my work machine :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:08:35] <miah> the problem was that file wasnt created | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:08:45] <miah> or well, that it was created inconsistently | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:08:47] <benkevan> and other machines are arch / openSUSE now | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:09:03] <benkevan> miah: ah.. so possibly scanning of the buses? were the physical cards in the same slots? | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:09:13] <benkevan> I've had that issue with servers from dell, where they keep putting crap in different slots | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:09:36] <miah> another fun problem i ran into was that in autoyast if i specified a nic (mac addr: n, eth0), but didn't add eth1 and eth2, it would add the nic i specified, but make 'eth1' and 'eth2' eth0, eth1, and the nic i specified eth2 | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:09:42] <miah> so i had to specify *each nic* | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:09:52] <miah> just silly stupid junk like that | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:10:38] <benkevan> yah.. that's retarded.. should auto make your specified one as first.. but sounds like it scans in the other ones to see what's there prior to configuring .. | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:10:48] <miah> ya | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:22:22] <fredden> I've a host which resets the 'password' field (to the same value) for every defined User on every run. I suspect it has something to do with shadow passwords. Can anyone suggest a fix? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:23:19] <fredden> I use the same class on a number of hosts, and this is the only one which has issues | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:29:21] <benkevan> is there a good article on handling cron jobs with puppet on the wiki? | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:29:30] <benkevan> Trying to think of the best way to manage this bad boy :o) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 15:30:25] <Volcane> benkevan: like all types - file, package etc- the type reference tell you how to use them | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:32:32] <benkevan> thanks.. wiki is a bit hard to navigate.. did a search for cron type and didn't get anything.. but on the home page I see type reference.. and found cron in there.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:32:51] <Volcane> the type reference is *the* reference for all built in types | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:33:06] <Volcane> and the language tutorial is all about how case/if/class/selectors etc work | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:33:14] <Volcane> those are the 2 main references u need day to day | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:33:27] <benkevan> I kind of wish I went to the wiki prior to reading the book.. haha | ||
| [2010/08/02 15:33:59] <Volcane> book helps you understand the references | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:07:41] <benkevan> what's the best way to manage an individual cron job on an individual server? | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:07:58] <benkevan> would you still create a module for the said task, then include it on the node configuration? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:08:53] <hal-j> benkevan: it's really hard to answer a general question like that. If the cron job is specific to a particular app/service/whatever that has a module, I may make a ::cronjob or ::somethingdescriptive | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:10:03] <benkevan> hal-j: yah.. I'm looking at more implementing puppet into an already existing environment.. I guess I can just create a module for the said app and just add the a cron class to it, then create a roll for all those tasks and assign to the server.. (following the basic models).. Yah.. now that I thought it out.. that def sounds best | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:10:05] <hal-j> or if you're trying to schedule a run of some script, I'd be inclined to handle both the deployment of the script and the scheduling of the cron job, in the same module (perhaps a new one) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:10:58] <benkevan> this puppet stuff is pretty darn cool | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:11:00] @ Quit: jdcasey: Remote host closed the connection | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:11:39] <hal-j> most alternatives are pretty darn scary :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:12:04] @ Quit: rmiller4pi8: Ping timeout: 276 seconds | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:12:58] <hal-j> and, having managed decently sized systems in teh past without much automation to speak of… suddenly things are easier and you can focus on improvements, rather than mundane tasks | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:14:12] <benkevan> hal-j: yeah.. I was thrown into this environment faced with a big project.. and just did a home grown ugly script to do pulling and some normal stuff for sudoers / crontabs / alias / syslog.. stuff.. goal for puppet was to replace that.. and I keep getting side tracked adding additional features HAHA | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:14:24] <benkevan> whilst learning something used in enterprises :D .. I love learning | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:15:14] <benkevan> next is to figure out how to stash the files (then I can get rid of a stasher script I have).. on that note.. how can I use puppet to REMOVE a cron entry? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:16:18] <benkevan> shessh .. then have to do user management.. (boy this is gettin' out of control haha) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:17:25] <hal-j> benkevan: ensure => absent | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:17:39] <benkevan> well duh.. thanks | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:17:49] <hal-j> that's assuming puppet put it there to begin with | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:01] <hal-j> if you can stand a suggestion: get some basic functionality into production | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:04] <hal-j> then enhance as you go | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:12] <benkevan> ah.. ok.. it wouldn't.. so no way to take it out if puppet didn't include? | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:16] <hal-j> rather than rebuilding the world, and deploying it all at once | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:18:33] <benkevan> hal-j: I'm getting functionality in a small environment (which are production management machines) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:35] <mackn> but the explosions are more spectacular that way | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:18:51] <hal-j> spectacular explosions are fine, if you can take the hit :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:19:12] <benkevan> BUT the stuff I do have to replace are the stuff that I'm currently doing with my updater script and would like to be able to remove the stasher script.. SO .. that's what I need to replace then add all the others) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:19:46] <benkevan> most have been done.. just have to install aliases file | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:19:57] <hal-j> If puppet didn't add the cron job, I'd suspect that it won't remove it. I won't swear to something I've not tested though | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:19:58] <benkevan> (which is going to be simple i'd assume) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:20:37] <benkevan> hal-j: that's fine.. when I feel it's ready to go into produciton.. I'll use my updater script to remove the entry just wanted to know if puppet could remove something thta wasn't added via puppet :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:20:38] <hal-j> so if you're moving it into the puppet system, I'd add it to the puppet system, manually remove it from your crontab and then kick a puppet run to re-add the puppet managed one | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:20:57] <benkevan> yeah.. 200 hosts.. going to be fun | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:21:01] <hal-j> _perhaps_ if you add the proper comment, it may | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:21:04] <benkevan> going to do push out quite slowly though | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:21:21] <benkevan> hal-j: yah.. I'd rather not falsely blame puppet for something :D | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:21:36] <benkevan> my nodes.pp file is going to look like fun when all is said and done | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:22:22] <benkevan> i dunno how big of an environment most people have.. but I know having 200 hosts in my nodes/<location>.pp file is going to be fun HAHAH | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:22:42] <hal-j> you can "import" from nodes.pp, to help split up your nodes into separate files, if that helps | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:22:47] <mackn> external nodes | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:02] <mackn> unless all your nodes are that unique.. then you're screwed heh | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:06] <hal-j> and you CAN combine node defs, for nodes that are identical | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:14] <benkevan> yah.. but either 200 <server>.pp files or all in hercules.pp | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:28] <benkevan> hal-j: hummmm.. no.. majority will be like.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:40] <benkevan> so maybe 30 different ones | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:23:41] <hal-j> again, hard to give a generalized answer without knowing the specifics :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:24:05] <benkevan> yeah.. i'll ping when i start adding them and seeing how they look (and how common they are) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:24:37] <mackn> did you read the part about external nodes? heh | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:24:42] <mackn> it might be useful | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:24:59] <mackn> or... write a script to generate your nodes files using a template if you wanna go that way | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:25:10] <benkevan> mackn: actually.. I skipped that in the book... because ok nodes thing was in the middle of other stuff.. but I'm going read up on external nodes on the wiki (since book seems to be aged) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:27:27] <benkevan> maybe that'll be next.. all these awesome features are making my short attention span go nuts.. should set milestone to complete port of update / stasher script funcitonality then add more complex node definitions | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:28:25] <hal-j> agreed… get SOMETHING out there, and then refine as you go | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:28:58] <mackn> first thing i did was change passwords :) | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:09] <benkevan> mackn: ? what do you mean? | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:16] <benkevan> with puppet you changed all the passwords? | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:19] <mackn> that was the first thing i did using puppet | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:29:29] <mackn> and installed ssh keys | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:34] <mackn> pretty much access control | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:41] <benkevan> oooh.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:29:45] * benkevan adds that to the list.. damn you mackn | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:30:06] <benkevan> although I have some machines that are winbind and some that aren't.. haha.. so that may be more complex.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:30:16] <hal-j> benkevan: if it gives you an idea of what's possible, I've got a "don't make any change to any server manually. it must be in puppet" policy | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:30:27] <benkevan> hal-j: that's my goal | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:31:48] <benkevan> thanks for the help again today guys.. more tomorrow I'm sure.. | ||
| [2010/08/02 16:31:53] <benkevan> lots of learning me how.. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 16:48:06] <fredden> I've a host which resets the 'password' field (to the same value) for every defined User on every run. I suspect it has something to do with shadow passwords. Anyone have any ideas why? The same class works fine on other hosts. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:12:59] <mackn> might help to see some fragment of the manifest | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:13:38] <mackn> first suspect would be you're using 'User' somewhere | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:21:00] <vvuksan> hello | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:21:37] <vvuksan> what is the proper construct to say unless certain fact == value include classX ? | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:22:39] <hal-j> if $somefact != "value" { include classX } ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:23:24] <vvuksan> i'll try that | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:26:29] <vvuksan> that was it thanks a lot :-) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:30:44] <hal-j> np | ||
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| [2010/08/02 17:36:00] <ghaskins_mobile> whats the proper syntax for having two different "require" deps | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:36:00] <ghaskins_mobile> ? | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:36:09] <ghaskins_mobile> ( tried require, require) | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:36:12] <ghaskins_mobile> but that blows up | ||
| [2010/08/02 17:37:23] <ghaskins_mobile> oh wait, I think I see it in the lang tut | ||
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| [2010/08/02 18:48:45] <jamesturnbull> ghaskins_mobile: did you sort it? array btw | ||
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| [2010/08/02 19:30:10] <ghaskins_mobile> jamesturnbull, yeah, thank you for checking back, though | ||
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| [2010/08/02 21:24:36] <madduck> jamesturnbull: I hope you get notified about http://github.com/reductivelabs/puppet-vcsrepo/issues/issue/1 ;) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 21:58:04] <madduck> what is the right strategy to use to ensure existence of /etc/sudoers.d? I want to install files there from multiple packages, but I can only ever instantiate/realise the directory from one place | ||
| [2010/08/02 21:58:15] <madduck> thus either all my modules need to depend on the sudo module | ||
| [2010/08/02 21:58:19] <madduck> or there's a more elegant way | ||
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| [2010/08/02 22:21:47] <PaulWay[w]> madduck: you don't have to have every module depending on the sudo module; you just have the node including that module. | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:22:39] <madduck> PaulWay[w]: hi you! | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:22:54] <madduck> PaulWay[w]: point being is that that is a dependency. | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:23:15] <madduck> either you include sudo from each module, which is under the false assumption that everyone has such a module and names it such | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:23:17] <PaulWay[w]> Hi madduck :-) | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:23:27] <madduck> or you expect the admin to do it, which is under the false assumption that … | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:24:10] <PaulWay[w]> The idea as I understand it is that you don't have to have one 'root' module which each node imports. | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:24:27] <madduck> not sure how that's related | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:24:55] <PaulWay[w]> So for example our standard config is to include sudo, ntp, rhn, nagios, etc for each node. | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:25:22] <PaulWay[w]> So each node includes the sudo module and that defines the existence of /etc/sudoers.d | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:27:55] <madduck> yeah sure, but let's say I am writing a module Foo, and it conveniently installs an /etc/sudoers.d file for you | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:28:00] <madduck> and I want you to use that module… | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:28:36] <PaulWay[w]> Then you instantiate with 'File["/etc/sudoers.d"]'. | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:28:43] <PaulWay[w]> Problem is I don't quite understand what you' | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:28:43] <madduck> where? | ||
| [2010/08/02 22:28:52] <PaulWay[w]> you're getting at, and I'm not really an expert with Puppet. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:04:41] <duritong> madduck: I would go with the dependency | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:05:22] <madduck> i just wish that puppet had more things standardised | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:05:56] <madduck> how many sudo classes are out there because puppet doesn't provide one? compare that to all the nagios types, or even yumrepo! | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:06:30] <duritong> yeah the work for standards began too late, on the other hand you have too much freedom with puppet ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:07:04] <duritong> madduck: well forge should reduce that a bit, but it's too young | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:07:30] <madduck> yeah | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:07:46] <madduck> especially once they're packaged in a debian package e.g. puppet-forge | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:07:52] <duritong> and another problem is that every sysadmin has her/his own best(TM) way to do things | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:08:11] <madduck> just install debian. that *is* the best way. ;) | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:08:11] <duritong> packaging: ack | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:08:31] <madduck> if puppet weren't ruby, I'd be so much more inclined to work on it and to help packaging | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:14:59] <rodjek> madduck: +1 on debian doing things the right way | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:15:01] <miah> i have written a bunch of stuff that i need to dump | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:15:38] <miah> puppetforge is cool, but young indeed | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:17:05] <madduck> do storeconfigs require me to install rails? | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:18:19] <rodjek> madduck: nope | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:19:00] <madduck> http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/Using_Stored_Configuration says "To make use of stored configuration you will need to install some prerequisites principally the database back-end you wish to use and the Rails framework." | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:20:01] <duritong> madduck: yes | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:20:26] <madduck> sucks! | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:20:35] <duritong> why? | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:20:42] <rodjek> hmm, i don't recall installing it | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:20:44] * rodjek checks | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:21:03] <madduck> because i don't want a hipster application framework written in ruby, adding layers and layers of stuff I never need just for storeconfigs. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:21:21] <duritong> madduck: puppet uses that hipster framework | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:21:31] <rodjek> i don't have the rails gem installed, i thought it was vendored | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:21:33] * rodjek shrugs | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:21:53] <madduck> duritong: no, it does not. it can, but it does not. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:22:14] <madduck> puppetmaster:Recommends: rails (>= 1.2.3-2) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:22:41] <madduck> i certainly don't have that installed | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:22:48] <madduck> un rails <none> (no description available) | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:22:48] <duritong> madduck: for the storedconfigs it does, and there are not many other RDMS abstraction layers around if you are working with ruby | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:23:09] <madduck> duritong: rails is way more than an RDBMS abstraction layer | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:23:22] <madduck> and if I had the choice, I certainly wouldn't be working with ruby | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:23:32] <duritong> yeah that rant is clear to me | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:23:32] <rodjek> activerecord is the RDBMS abstraction layer | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:23:53] <madduck> duritong: sorry | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:23:58] <madduck> it's just frustrating | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:24:02] <madduck> anyway, time to head to work… | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:24:29] <duritong> well I would also be frustrated if I categorly refuse the tools that something uses | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:37:28] <PaulWay[w]> I cannot work this out. | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:37:41] <PaulWay[w]> Let me see if I can pastebin enough of it to look at. | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:38:38] <PaulWay[w]> Basically the problem is that I have retrieve /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date from Puppet, and for one host it's supposed to get that from the up2date-thishost file, whereas everything else gets it from the up2date-normal file. | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:38:50] <PaulWay[w]> (using source fallback). | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:41:45] <rodjek> PaulWay[w]: that should be pretty simple, pastebin away :) | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:44:48] <PaulWay[w]> And yet the file is definitely coming from up2date-normal. | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:45:07] * PaulWay[w] looks at himself saying "have retrieve" and shoots his fingers. | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:45:18] <rodjek> haha | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:45:26] <rodjek> can you pastebin the manifest fragment? | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:45:43] <PaulWay[w]> One moment. | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:53:33] <PaulWay[w]> In a bit - other demands on me... :-/ | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:53:54] <rodjek> haha, the life of a sysadmin eh? | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:54:05] <PaulWay[w]> *sigh* | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:54:21] * rodjek knows exactly how you feel | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:54:45] <PaulWay[w]> time to break out the emergency chocolate | ||
| [2010/08/02 23:55:15] <rodjek> hmm, i need a set of drawers to keep emergency confectionary in | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:57:18] <PaulWay[w]> rodjek: I have that very thing - one drawer for chocolate and chewy sweets, one for V and muesli bars | ||
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| [2010/08/02 23:57:53] <rodjek> damn, you've got it made |
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