Wednesday, 2011-11-02

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[2011/11/02 00:18:45] <Dominic> sfire||mouse: Augeas' setm command is available from Puppet 2.7.0. I'm beginning to think 2.6.x would have been a good idea...
[2011/11/02 00:18:58] <Dominic> sfire||mouse: http://m0dlx.com/blog/Puppet_Augeas_provider_news_and_enhancements.html
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[2011/11/02 00:31:03] <greenmang0> hey friends, i just wrote a puppet script to install ejabberd -> http://paste.debian.net/141976/ - it's working as expected, but is there anyway i can avoid repetition of $user and $group?
[2011/11/02 00:31:14] <greenmang0> any way*
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[2011/11/02 00:32:05] <Dominic> greenmang0: you can specify resource defaults, which if you do it in the class will be limited to that scope.. e.g. http://paste.debian.net/141977/
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[2011/11/02 00:34:15] <greenmang0> Dominic, ok, so you mean if i define $user and $group in Exec at the top, then it will affect all the "exec" defined later ...
[2011/11/02 00:34:28] <Dominic> greenmang0: exactly
[2011/11/02 00:34:44] <Dominic> greenmang0: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/language_guide.html#resource-defaults
[2011/11/02 00:36:19] <greenmang0> Dominic, ok, and if you noticed, some operations have "root" as a user, so those operations will perform as a root... right?, i just have to specify $user => root there...
[2011/11/02 00:36:32] <Dominic> greenmang0: yes, by specifying it you'll override the default
[2011/11/02 00:37:02] <greenmang0> Dominic, cool, thanks
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[2011/11/02 02:11:43] <matchaw___> hi all, anyone around to advise on an issue with arrays?
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[2011/11/02 02:47:16] <Yoe> hi -- I made a slight mistake, which broke my test vm to the extent that it wouldn't even boot anymore.
[2011/11/02 02:47:52] <Yoe> I thought the easiest way would be to reinstall and retry from scratch, but now I keep getting this in my logs:
[2011/11/02 02:47:55] <Yoe> [2011-11-02 10:44:54] ERROR OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError: SSL_accept returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read client certificate A: sslv3 alert bad certificate
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[2011/11/02 02:48:51] <Yoe> and yes, I tried 'puppet cert --clean <hostname>', but that didn't fix it
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[2011/11/02 02:49:05] <Yoe> any ideas?
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[2011/11/02 03:11:48] <erthad> does storeconfigs write any logs?
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[2011/11/02 03:57:32] <gepetto> ::redmine:: Wiki edit: Show_Node_Objects_Patterns (#3) @ http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Show_Node_Objects_Patterns?version=3 (by Timur Batyrshin)
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[2011/11/02 04:57:07] <RhysMorgan> Hey, just testing package deployment to a windows machine. In the manifest on the puppet_windows wiki it references retrieval of install file from N:\\ What is N:\\? A pre-mapped network drive?
[2011/11/02 04:59:42] <Volcane> that sounds plausable yeah - you need the packages on the machine somehow
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[2011/11/02 05:08:49] <RhysMorgan> Volcane, How would you manage this from an administration standpoint? You would have to have a repository mounted on each windows server permananetly at boot time?
[2011/11/02 05:09:05] <RhysMorgan> or use the exec statement before and after to perform a net use?
[2011/11/02 05:09:14] <Volcane> not sure what makes sense for windows :)
[2011/11/02 05:09:24] <RhysMorgan> Is anyone ;)
[2011/11/02 05:09:52] <RhysMorgan> Unfortunately windows patch management using puppet is the bane of my existance for the next few months
[2011/11/02 05:14:30] <RhysMorgan> Do you know of anyone who has used windows package deployment in anger using puppet?
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[2011/11/02 05:15:51] <Volcane> nope, its pretty new
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[2011/11/02 05:22:10] <RhysMorgan> We'll i'll endeavour to provide a write up of my findings/approach
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[2011/11/02 05:34:15] <dpash> does anyone have a function for creating a password hash ?
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[2011/11/02 05:36:02] <fragfutter> dpash: openssl passwd -1 -salt $(openssl rand -base64 6)
[2011/11/02 05:36:27] <dpash> fragfutter: I was hoping to use it in my manifest
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[2011/11/02 05:37:06] <fragfutter> just run it and use the output in your manifest, you don't want to leave any unencrypted password in your manifests
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[2011/11/02 05:38:14] <dcarley> dpash: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-mysql/blob/master/lib/puppet/parser/functions/mysql_password.rb
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[2011/11/02 05:43:09] <greenmang0> hello friends, i am getting this error -> err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: hostname was not match with the server certificate .... I am starting puppet client as "sudo puppetd --server puppet --debug --verbose --trace --no-daemonize" , where "puppet" is a puppet master and the name is resolved using /etc/hosts on puppet client
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[2011/11/02 05:43:43] <fragfutter> greenmang0: and your puppetserver has a certificate that doesn't match the name you are using to talk to him.
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[2011/11/02 05:51:17] <tremble> greenmang0: You may want to look into manually generating the certificate using "puppet cert generate" and the dnsaltnames flag
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[2011/11/02 05:53:36] <greenmang0> fragfutter, which name i am suppose to use then? i tried all combinations ... i am running both hosts on AWS, when i use "private ip" to connect i get "err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Connection refused - connect(2)" and if "public dns" then i get "err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: hostname was not match with the server certificate"
[2011/11/02 05:54:15] <greenmang0> tremble, i have added both "public ip" and "private ip" in autosign.conf on server
[2011/11/02 05:54:31] <fragfutter> greenmang0: you need to read up about ssl.
[2011/11/02 05:54:40] <fragfutter> greenmang0: you posted this ""sudo puppetd --server puppet --debug --verbose --trace --no-daemonize"
[2011/11/02 05:54:55] <fragfutter> so you server must present a valid certificate for the name "puppet"
[2011/11/02 05:55:05] <greenmang0> fragfutter, yes, ... i replaced "puppet" with priv and pub ips
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[2011/11/02 05:56:40] <greenmang0> fragfutter, ok
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[2011/11/02 05:58:28] <tremble> greenmang0: SSL certs are only valid for specific hostnames, so when you try to talk to "puppet" instead of the FQDN of your puppet host, the SSL cert isn't valid. try using the FQDN of the puppet master instead of just "puppet"
[2011/11/02 06:01:40] <greenmang0> tremble, there's no FQDN, i just fired 2 micro instances for testing purpose
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[2011/11/02 06:03:37] <RhysMorgan> greenmang0, the FQDN is your aws fqdn
[2011/11/02 06:04:07] <RhysMorgan> Or you can adjust the certname config item in puppet.conf if you are using the hosts entry to resolve
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[2011/11/02 06:27:27] <RhysMorgan> Is there anyway to make a manifest procedural?
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[2011/11/02 06:28:07] <RhysMorgan> i.e when deploying a package use pre and post actions?
[2011/11/02 06:28:30] <fragfutter> RhysMorgan: stages
[2011/11/02 06:28:36] <ohadlevy> RhysMorgan: you mean like hooks?
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[2011/11/02 06:30:20] <tremble> RhysMorgan: What's wrong with sing before/requires after relationships?
[2011/11/02 06:30:30] <tremble> RhysMorgan: And notify
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[2011/11/02 06:34:54] <walterheck> does a ModuleFile have fields to set the supported OS?
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[2011/11/02 06:39:09] <derjohn_foo> hey folks, is puppet supposed to create a puppet.conf on the client, if I do a --test and --server ?
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[2011/11/02 06:41:47] <willemb> Hi. I have monitoring that looks for failed resources in a lastrun summary file. when puppetruns are scheduled via mcollective, the monitoring 'triggers'. When I execute a puppet run manually, the resources don't fail. what gives?
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[2011/11/02 06:42:38] <greenmang0> fragfutter, tremble , RhysMorgan ... damn ... i was making typo ... :(
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[2011/11/02 07:02:54] <ciupicri> I'm having trouble using a mysql module http://cristian.ipq.co:8080/ . I'm using puppet-server-2.6.11-1.fc15.noarch (Fedora 15) and puppet-2.6.11-1.el6.noarch (Scientific 6.1) and I'm getting "err: Could not prefetch mysql_database provider 'mysql': #<IO:0xb729b85c> | err: Could not prefetch mysql_user provider 'mysql': #<IO:0xb7297dec>". [main] pluginsync is set to true on both the server and the client.
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[2011/11/02 07:10:33] <Bogdar> Hello!
[2011/11/02 07:10:53] <bma> 'lo
[2011/11/02 07:10:54] <Bogdar> Today I update both server and client from 2.7.1 to 2.7.6
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[2011/11/02 07:11:07] <Bogdar> Some of my code is not working anymore
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[2011/11/02 07:11:12] <Bogdar> What should I check first ?
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[2011/11/02 07:12:00] <frozenfoxx> The Puppet Parser is choking on a case statement I've made, could someone tell me why? It complains about the assignment of "$file_path" http://paste2.org/p/1754325
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[2011/11/02 07:12:28] <frozenfoxx> The error I get is, "err: Could not parse for environment production: Syntax error at '=>'; expected '}' at /etc/puppet/modules/ntp/manifests/init.pp:10
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[2011/11/02 07:13:37] <frozenfoxx> I am probably misreading the documentation but I didn't see why the case would have an issue with this.
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[2011/11/02 07:15:12] <kjetilho> frozenfoxx: an assignement in the middle of a selector?
[2011/11/02 07:15:21] <kjetilho> assignments are not values
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[2011/11/02 07:16:05] <kjetilho> frozenfoxx: you should sit down with the tutorial again, I think
[2011/11/02 07:16:30] <frozenfoxx> kjetilho: I'll have another look, I just didn't have this problem with an if/then and thought the case might be cleaner.
[2011/11/02 07:16:37] <ciupicri> I'm having trouble using a mysql module (see http://cristian.ipq.co:8080/ ). I'm using puppet-server-2.6.11-1.fc15.noarch (Fedora 15) and puppet-2.6.11-1.el6.noarch (Scientific 6.1) and I'm getting "err: Could not prefetch mysql_database provider 'mysql': #<IO:0xb729b85c> | err: Could not prefetch mysql_user provider 'mysql': #<IO:0xb7297dec>". [main] pluginsync is set to true on both server and client.
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[2011/11/02 07:18:23] <frozenfoxx> kjetilho: I would have followed the tutorial on NTP a bit closer but it really doesn't match what I'm trying to do with my environment. As a result I had to look up how I could define a set of values baesd on both information from facter ($operatingsystem) as well as a parameter to the class.
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[2011/11/02 07:19:16] <kjetilho> parameters to resources should not use $
[2011/11/02 07:19:35] <kjetilho> and parameters to resources are not passed with the assignment operator
[2011/11/02 07:19:38] <kjetilho> but with =>
[2011/11/02 07:19:50] <kjetilho> so you're mixing it all up
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[2011/11/02 07:20:16] <kjetilho> (no critisism, everyone is entitled to be a beginner :-)
[2011/11/02 07:20:20] <frozenfoxx> kjetilho: That's entirely possible. I thought I was supposed to be assigning variables before actually defining the resource (which is done later)
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[2011/11/02 07:20:25] <mukulm> Hi, How to remove my hostname from blocked list while access puppet channel ?
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[2011/11/02 07:21:20] <frozenfoxx> kjetilho: the entire thing might make it easier to see where I'm coming from: http://paste2.org/p/1754338
[2011/11/02 07:21:41] <hettik> Good Morning folks. We are planning to run puppet as a deamon (for selective kick), but a question from a sensitive area to restric agent runs between 9 pm and 2 am
[2011/11/02 07:21:54] <hettik> Is there any ideas to do that ?
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[2011/11/02 07:23:09] <mukulm> How to remove my hostname from blocked list while access puppet channel ??
[2011/11/02 07:23:15] <larsar_> Hei, Kjetil. :)
[2011/11/02 07:23:22] <frozenfoxx> hettik: Offhand (as a beginner), why not just invoke Puppet manually via cron every 30 min between 2100 - 0200?
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[2011/11/02 07:23:56] <frozenfoxx> hettik: I think it's "puppet apply" but I might be wrong on the puppet faces command
[2011/11/02 07:24:08] <hettik> frozenfoxx: so the idea is to apply the changes manually (using puppet kick)
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[2011/11/02 07:24:10] <kjetilho> larsar_: hmm, hei?
[2011/11/02 07:24:21] <larsar_> kjetilho: Lars Preben
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[2011/11/02 07:24:34] <hettik> need to run puppet in the listen mode to do that
[2011/11/02 07:24:37] <frozenfoxx> hettik: Ah, wait, I'm thinking of something different.
[2011/11/02 07:24:38] <kjetilho> larsar_: was about to guess. didn't know you work for EDB :)
[2011/11/02 07:25:09] <frozenfoxx> hettik: Could you say have cron start puppet agent at 2100, then in cron issue a kill to the PID that it spawns with?
[2011/11/02 07:25:14] <larsar_> kjetilho: Storebrand
[2011/11/02 07:25:27] <frozenfoxx> hettik: Or even just call /etc/init.d/puppet stop?
[2011/11/02 07:25:51] <hettik> frozenfoxx: actually that's a giod idea
[2011/11/02 07:25:56] <mukulm> How to remove my hostname from blocked list while access puppet channel ??
[2011/11/02 07:25:58] <frozenfoxx> hettik: :)
[2011/11/02 07:26:25] <hettik> We can still use the regualr schedules, and manage a cron for the specific group to init.d/stop and start
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[2011/11/02 07:26:55] <frozenfoxx> hettik: Yeah, you could probably even have Puppet keep the cron configured for those specific systems with the nodes.pp
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[2011/11/02 07:27:07] <hettik> I wanted to see anyone resolved that using puppet schedules, and thinking of adding logic to start script
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[2011/11/02 07:27:14] <frozenfoxx> hettik: You'd effectively have Puppet making sure that it only runs when you tell it to.
[2011/11/02 07:27:15] <Bogdar> Here is piece of code that doe not works after migrating from 2.7.1 to 2.7.6
[2011/11/02 07:27:18] <Bogdar> http://paste2.org/p/1754349
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[2011/11/02 07:27:28] <Bogdar> Please, help me fix it
[2011/11/02 07:27:42] <agwells0714> quick question about file, if I use the checksum option, can I use notify to fire an exec rule?
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[2011/11/02 07:27:57] <Bogdar> I check http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/templating.html and see no difference at all (
[2011/11/02 07:28:01] <hettik> yep. that makes sense.
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[2011/11/02 07:28:19] <kjetilho> Bogdar: yes, $foo-bar is now parsed as the variabel "foo-bar"
[2011/11/02 07:28:33] <kjetilho> Bogdar: not the variable "foo" followed by the string "-bar"
[2011/11/02 07:28:46] <kjetilho> write "${foo}-bar"
[2011/11/02 07:28:52] <Bogdar> kjetilho, OMFG! :(
[2011/11/02 07:28:54] <hettik> On another thought, has anyone figured out how to use schedules to run something on a weekend, or from tonight to next day early hours (span days)
[2011/11/02 07:28:56] <Bogdar> thanx a lot!
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[2011/11/02 07:31:44] <mukulm> How to remove my hostname from blocked list while access puppet channel ?? please help to fix my problem
[2011/11/02 07:32:09] <greenmang0> friends, i have defined a "node foonode { include "foomodule" } in nodes.pp on server, when foonode contacts puppetserver , it installs foomodule as expected, now if i change (on server) "node barnode { include "barmodule"} " in nodes.pp , then also "foonode" tries to install "barmodule" , how can i prevent it?
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[2011/11/02 07:32:33] <mukulm> my hostname has been bloced in another sysstem while accessing puppet chat ?
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[2011/11/02 07:34:18] <frozenfoxx> Oh, I *think* I see. Is "case" intended to be used for determining which resources to run? A la "if debian, ensure THIS file, if solaris, ensure THIS process?"
[2011/11/02 07:34:39] <mayh3m12> hello #puppet.. I would like to get puppet-dashboard to run on port 80 instead of port 3000 is there an easy enough way to accomplish this ? would I have to re-rake the database in order to make that happen? I've tried altering the port number in a few config files and in the init script but no luck thus far..
[2011/11/02 07:35:07] <Spads> mayh3m12: 80 is a privileged port, so you need something running as root just long enough to bind to it
[2011/11/02 07:35:07] <frozenfoxx> mayh3m12: My Puppet Dashboard runs on :80 via Apache Webserver with the Passenger plugin
[2011/11/02 07:35:10] <Volcane> mukulm: you have coworkers who think its ok to come here and flood and be annoying
[2011/11/02 07:35:15] <Volcane> mukulm: and so your ip got banned
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[2011/11/02 07:36:23] <mukulm> so how can i prevent this issue ?
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[2011/11/02 07:36:32] <mayh3m12> frozenfoxx: ok that sounds good to me.. I'll give it a go .. thanks
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[2011/11/02 07:37:13] <Volcane> mukulm: that will probably help
[2011/11/02 07:37:14] <frozenfoxx> mayh3m12: No problem. As a note, I *strongly* recommend running it on a Linux machine with a package manager. I tried to get it running on Solaris and it was a NIGHTMARE since the stupid module wouldn't build for Apache
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[2011/11/02 07:38:23] <mukulm> Volcano.. How can i come out of this issue ?
[2011/11/02 07:38:36] <Volcane> mukulm: you should be able to join now
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[2011/11/02 07:38:58] <illsci> Why doesn't facter display custom facts when you run facter -p factname
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[2011/11/02 07:41:25] <illsci> Can you use facts inside of puppet templates? I need to do something similar to this... http://bodgitandscarper.co.uk/puppet/loops-and-variable-indirection-in-puppet/
[2011/11/02 07:41:52] <illsci> I have a bunch of servers with the same role but they each have some host specific settings I need to place in config files...
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[2011/11/02 07:42:37] <illsci> I was going to try and look at each hosts facts and if it matches a regex to set that config... basically each host has it's own vpn ip I need to setup for open vpn
[2011/11/02 07:43:12] <mukulm> ok thx Volcano but if the issue will not resolve than is there any solution ?
[2011/11/02 07:43:39] <jeremywf> mayh3m12: I have dashboard running on 3000 using thin (3 servers), and then use apache to balance between the thin servers, so we only allow http traffic to apache from the outside
[2011/11/02 07:43:39] <Volcane> mukulm: yes, if your coworkers are idiots again they will get banned again. I cant do anything about your coworkers.
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[2011/11/02 07:44:09] <Volcane> mukulm: so i dont know what kind of solution u want
[2011/11/02 07:44:23] <mukulm> ok
[2011/11/02 07:44:24] <frozenfoxx> Volcane: magick, naturally.
[2011/11/02 07:44:59] <mpdude> if i have a class "foo" that includes foo::a and foo::b
[2011/11/02 07:45:02] <mpdude> and then i have Class["Foo"] -> Package<||>
[2011/11/02 07:45:05] <mpdude> does that guarantee that foo::a and foo::b are managed before any package?
[2011/11/02 07:45:06] <walkeran> illsci: Yes, you can access facts from within erb templates.... scope.lookupvar('factname')
[2011/11/02 07:45:09] <mpdude> or will i have to state Class["Foo::A"] -> Class["Foo::B"] -> Package<||> explicitely?
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[2011/11/02 07:45:29] <illsci> cool... I'll see if I can get that working
[2011/11/02 07:45:40] <mukulm> to get remove from the block list from the puppet channel or freenode
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[2011/11/02 07:47:33] <walkeran> mpdude: The latter... each subclass specifically. Unless, of couse, there's a relationship set up between Foo::A (and Foo::B) such that it will be run before Foo. Then, it's implied that they will have to be run before any packages, as long as Foo has to come before packages
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[2011/11/02 07:48:08] <Volcane> mukulm: did you try to access it? I said many times now I removed teh ban
[2011/11/02 07:48:09] <walkeran> mpdude: that should have read "between Foo::A (and Foo::B) and Foo"
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[2011/11/02 07:49:16] <mukulm> also how do i include my email address in the puppet server so i will receive the mails if the client certificates are not signed ?
[2011/11/02 07:49:24] <mukulm> ok thx Volcano..
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[2011/11/02 07:49:53] <walkeran> mukulm: It's Volcane... FTFY.. you're welcome
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[2011/11/02 07:54:54] <agwells0714> So, I want to use a frontend to manage "iptables" but what I would like to do is if I notice iptables to have change since I last saw it, to fire this third party application to ensure iptables is correct. So my question was if I use - file {'bar' : ensure => file, checksum => md5, notify => Exec['ipbar'] } - if ipbar will be called?
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[2011/11/02 07:58:45] <mukulm> how do i include my email address in the puppet server so i will receive the mails if the client certificates are not signed ?
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[2011/11/02 07:59:36] <Volcane> mukulm: please stop repeating yourself every 10 minutes!
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[2011/11/02 08:00:24] <mukulm> actually i am getting the help so thats why
[2011/11/02 08:00:34] <mukulm> not*
[2011/11/02 08:00:51] <Volcane> being here asking for help isnt a contract
[2011/11/02 08:00:55] <Volcane> if someone can help you they will help you
[2011/11/02 08:01:09] <Volcane> repeating every 10 minutes the same thing will only annoy people and ensure you do not get help
[2011/11/02 08:01:14] <fragfutter> and you can be pretty sure, that if you repeat it to often the chances to get help will be reduced
[2011/11/02 08:01:33] <Volcane> if you asked and you dont get a reply, people dont know.
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[2011/11/02 08:04:15] <rew> hey all. anyone familiar with storeconfigs enough to help with a sudden issue im seeing. "err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: execution expired", not much in terms of googling' for solution.
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[2011/11/02 08:05:30] <rew> im using storeconfigs to generate nagios configs. it was working fine for a while, then i started getting that error, with not much changing from when it was working. (—debug —trace as well but cant tell why its having issues)
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[2011/11/02 08:06:13] <Volcane> rew: it probably means your database is too slow or you're using webrick webserver with too many hosts talking to it
[2011/11/02 08:06:40] <Phibs> why doesn't pl provide src rpms for puppet like they do mcollective
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[2011/11/02 08:07:32] <rew> thanks Volcane , is it possible to find out what query is being run so i can run it manually to check the response time? (its a mysql backend)
[2011/11/02 08:07:39] <fragfutter> Phibs: isn't the spec file in the source tarball?
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[2011/11/02 08:08:00] <Phibs> hmm lemme look ;)
[2011/11/02 08:08:18] <walkeran> fragfutter, Phibs: I'm fairly certain it is... if not, it's in the git repo (I know I've pulled it from there before)
[2011/11/02 08:08:24] <Phibs> okie thx !
[2011/11/02 08:08:48] <Phibs> I wonder when a fix for the ENC being auth over the conf file will be pushed :(
[2011/11/02 08:08:52] <Phibs> been a year +
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[2011/11/02 08:09:58] <Volcane> 'pushed' implied its been written and a sane approach that would fix it has been devised :P
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[2011/11/02 08:10:22] <Phibs> yeah...
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[2011/11/02 08:10:29] <Phibs> seems to be a popular problem though :)
[2011/11/02 08:11:00] <Phibs> makes me quite angry tbh but what can I do ;)
[2011/11/02 08:11:35] <rew> also for storeconfigs is problematic that i have it autogenerating nagios configs for 500 servers, and for each i write its own config (ie, server1.cfg, server2.cfg …. serverN.cfg, which contains its host/services definitions) instead of one giant services.cfg, hosts.cfg. etc?
[2011/11/02 08:11:54] <Phibs> hmm when using spec for 2.7.6 I get: sed: can't read lib/puppet/network/http_server/mongrel.rb: No such file or directory
[2011/11/02 08:12:04] <Volcane> quite convinced stored configs is not a viable solution to that kind of scale of use
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[2011/11/02 08:12:33] <rew> d'oh
[2011/11/02 08:12:59] <Volcane> though no doubt iwth lots of tuning and stuff it might be
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[2011/11/02 08:13:28] <rew> i see, any viable/recommended alternatives out there?
[2011/11/02 08:13:44] <Phibs> get puppet enterprise? :)
[2011/11/02 08:13:58] <illsci> Anyone here ever seen any two facter auth for cloud instances?
[2011/11/02 08:14:00] <rew> :)
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[2011/11/02 08:14:42] <illsci> like keyfobs... not ssh keypairs..
[2011/11/02 08:15:08] <rew> so for storeconfigs, how can i check if it is the backend (mysql) that is causing the "err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: execution expired" error when running puppet?
[2011/11/02 08:15:17] <Volcane> illsci: most of them require some kind of manual enrollement of machines - which if they're cloud instances might not be good enough?
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[2011/11/02 08:15:55] <illsci> I built some custom ami's with grsecurity kernels... and grsec supports pam so I would love to find a setup that would let me auth to grsec roles
[2011/11/02 08:16:14] <astrostl> illsci: https://aws.amazon.com/mfa/
[2011/11/02 08:16:16] <illsci> some guy posted something in ##aws the other day but I can't find the link..
[2011/11/02 08:16:31] <illsci> werd up.. let me read :)
[2011/11/02 08:16:37] <astrostl> first hit for "factor ec2" on google...
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[2011/11/02 08:18:17] <illsci> yeah taht's not quite the same thing I'm looking for
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[2011/11/02 08:18:28] <illsci> that's for aws... not the instances
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[2011/11/02 08:19:05] <illsci> good to know though :)
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[2011/11/02 08:28:58] <illsci> this is what I was looking for... yubikey
[2011/11/02 08:30:05] <illsci> thanks!
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[2011/11/02 08:33:25] <hacim> Phibs: there is a bug in 2.7.6 that has been fixed in a commit
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[2011/11/02 08:33:38] <Phibs> in the spec or an actual bug?
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[2011/11/02 08:33:59] <hacim> Phibs: https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/10244
[2011/11/02 08:34:12] <hacim> missing http_server/mongrel.rb stuff
[2011/11/02 08:34:27] <Phibs> fun even thouh I don't use mongrel ;0
[2011/11/02 08:34:30] <Phibs> thanks for the info
[2011/11/02 08:35:08] <onicrom> morning, design type question... how can i store variable definitions for use in all of my classes/manifests (example hostxyz is considered a development server and I want to ensure anything applied to that host is configured to match what development means to me)
[2011/11/02 08:35:41] <onicrom> (i did the learning vm with the learning web howto on the puppet site, just wasnt sure the best way to accomplish that
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[2011/11/02 08:36:08] <Volcane> onicrom: read about extlookup in the docs
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[2011/11/02 08:37:02] <onicrom> looking up
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[2011/11/02 08:39:55] <Volcane> Phibs: http://yum.puppetlabs.com/el/6/products/SRPMS/
[2011/11/02 08:40:23] <Phibs> most excellent does it have the fix hacim mentioned ? :)
[2011/11/02 08:40:30] <Phibs> looks like it
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[2011/11/02 08:40:49] <Phibs> rsyncable too, I Love you :)
[2011/11/02 08:41:00] <onicrom> neato Volcane
[2011/11/02 08:41:09] * Phibs mirrors
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[2011/11/02 08:45:38] <toobulkeh`> I'm continuing to get the following error every time i restart a puppet agent on a node:
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[2011/11/02 08:46:06] <toobulkeh`> Could not send report: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed.
[2011/11/02 08:46:16] <toobulkeh`> the time is sync'd properly, so that's not the problem
[2011/11/02 08:46:29] <toobulkeh`> but it appears that the agent is caching an old cert on the master
[2011/11/02 08:46:35] <toobulkeh`> is there any way to prevent this from happening?
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[2011/11/02 09:05:08] <chrisgh> I need to change directory in an exec
[2011/11/02 09:05:14] <chrisgh> how do I do that with puppet?
[2011/11/02 09:05:28] <Volcane> exec has a property to set the working dir
[2011/11/02 09:05:30] <Volcane> see the doc
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[2011/11/02 09:07:05] <chrisgh> I solved it with bash -c
[2011/11/02 09:07:14] <chrisgh> can you assign working in exec?
[2011/11/02 09:07:19] <chrisgh> like workdir => ?
[2011/11/02 09:07:22] <fetep> pwd =>
[2011/11/02 09:07:29] <Volcane> chrisgh: read whati said
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[2011/11/02 09:07:48] <fetep> er, cwd =>. http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/2.7.0/type.html#exec
[2011/11/02 09:07:54] <chrisgh> ahh thanks :)
[2011/11/02 09:09:05] <chrisgh> great! :)
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[2011/11/02 09:16:01] <jokajak> we've started using augeas types in our puppet configurations and noticed that the time it takes has increased by a lot. is there any way to speed up augeas commands in puppet?
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[2011/11/02 09:17:25] <d3c> I'd like to use nginx instead of webrick. I found some pretty old documentation on this. is there something more recent that I'm missing? http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/Using_Mongrel_Nginx
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[2011/11/02 09:20:35] <Volcane> screenflow
[2011/11/02 09:20:37] <Volcane> oops, wrong #
[2011/11/02 09:20:49] <dcarley> d3c: skip straight to the 0.8.7 section at the bottom. that's all still relevant.
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[2011/11/02 09:23:40] <Dominic> jokajak: there's a fix in 2.7.3 that gives a 50% speed increase, and another planned for the future: http://m0dlx.com/blog/Puppet_Augeas_provider_news_and_enhancements.html
[2011/11/02 09:24:04] <jokajak> Dominic: great! because I was planning on upgrading to 2.7.6 :D
[2011/11/02 09:24:18] <Dominic> jokajak: you can speed it up by specifying the incl and lens parameters to the augeas type, but it means you need to work out the lenses for each file type. That means it'll only load the one necessary.
[2011/11/02 09:24:35] <jokajak> I wondered about that. we can definitely do that
[2011/11/02 09:24:37] <anrxc> d3c: brought up a couple of masters with the 0.8.7 nginx.conf and mongrel the other day
[2011/11/02 09:25:39] <anrxc> as webrick couldn't handle only 5-6 agents :\
[2011/11/02 09:26:46] <d3c> dcarley, anrxc: alright so mongrel is still the way to go? latest stable release is 3 yrs old according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel_%28web_server%29
[2011/11/02 09:27:00] <Volcane> use passenger
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[2011/11/02 09:27:35] <anrxc> d3c: I wasn't willing to put any more resources into serving 5-6 agents
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[2011/11/02 09:27:50] <d3c> Volcane: oh. will try that
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[2011/11/02 09:28:02] <anrxc> d3c: no more connection problems, lost catalogues etc. since
[2011/11/02 09:28:27] <anrxc> good enough for me i'm now up to 17 agents
[2011/11/02 09:28:39] <anrxc> and it's holding
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[2011/11/02 09:31:07] <anrxc> i'm not an avid cfengine user, but i was spoiled there certainly
[2011/11/02 09:31:17] <anrxc> compared to these loops
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[2011/11/02 09:39:09] <d3c> anrxc: alright. I think I'll try passenger+nginx. I already had problems with puppet out of the box. SSL errors occur randomly
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[2011/11/02 09:42:40] <d3c> anrxc: or passenger+apache, that is, sry
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[2011/11/02 09:44:38] <jalbretsen> alrighty, here is a mystery, wondering if anyone else has seen this
[2011/11/02 09:44:51] <jalbretsen> CentOS 5, puppet 2.6.6 from EPEL
[2011/11/02 09:44:59] <jalbretsen> SELinux disabled
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[2011/11/02 09:45:42] <jalbretsen> I updated a CentOS 5 box from kernel 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5 to 2.6.18-274.7.1.el5 and rebooted the box
[2011/11/02 09:46:09] <jalbretsen> puppet stopped talking to the server, but if I booted back to 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5, it would talk
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[2011/11/02 09:47:36] <jalbretsen> I turned on the cisco firewall monitoring and started watching, I can see the client talk on port 8140 to the puppetmaster in 2.6.18-274.3.1.el5.... but if I switch to 2.6.18-274.7.1.el5, the connection to the master under port 8140 isn't even attempted
[2011/11/02 09:48:34] <jalbretsen> in addition, in troubleshooting, while running 2.6.18-274.7.1.el5, if I disable the --listen option and restart puppet, it starts talking.
[2011/11/02 09:49:38] <jalbretsen> so the general question stands has anyone else seen this type of thing
[2011/11/02 09:49:50] <robinbowes> Anyone see any problems specifying this in an apache service: restart => 'apachectl -t && apachectl -k graceful',
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[2011/11/02 09:53:06] <robinbowes> OR even: restart => 'service httpd configtest && service httpd graceful'
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[2011/11/02 09:56:44] <robinbowes> Or even (forget the syntax check): restart => 'service httpd graceful'
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[2011/11/02 09:59:28] <sfire||mouse> robinbowes: the double printing of [OK]?
[2011/11/02 09:59:41] <sfire||mouse> because of the service call?
[2011/11/02 09:59:46] <sfire||mouse> just guessing
[2011/11/02 10:00:03] <robinbowes> You think the service type might check for that?
[2011/11/02 10:00:17] <robinbowes> Instead of relying on exitcode?
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[2011/11/02 10:00:37] <robinbowes> (hello, btw!)
[2011/11/02 10:01:16] <sfire||mouse> try and see?
[2011/11/02 10:01:26] <sfire||mouse> and long time no work together :)
[2011/11/02 10:01:32] <w0f> hey, i'm running in circles here with this issue, I accidently did "puppetca --clean --all", the puppetmaster wouldn't start, but I have it running again, but now the client system won't run the policies. Even though I applied a new ceritifcate to it... I keep getting the following errors: http://pastebin.com/VN01P3hg
[2011/11/02 10:01:58] <robinbowes> Yeah, I will give it a whirl
[2011/11/02 10:02:19] <robinbowes> 'tis indeed a long time
[2011/11/02 10:02:19] <Ahlee> is it possible to require => File['foo'] as well as Exec['bar']? I see I can require multpile items of the same type, but can you do multi type requirement?
[2011/11/02 10:02:35] <robinbowes> Ahlee: yes
[2011/11/02 10:02:53] <Ahlee> robinbowes: when I specify require => twice it's saying Duplicate parameter
[2011/11/02 10:03:03] <robinbowes> require => [File['foo'], Exec['bar']]
[2011/11/02 10:03:07] <Ahlee> ah. duh.
[2011/11/02 10:03:13] <Ahlee> thanks robinbowes!
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[2011/11/02 10:03:17] <robinbowes> de nada
[2011/11/02 10:03:30] <robinbowes> btw, sfire||mouse, I am a Mac user now
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[2011/11/02 10:04:47] <sfire||mouse> congrats, welcome to the cult/fold
[2011/11/02 10:04:57] <robinbowes> Steve Jobs was so shocked, he died!
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[2011/11/02 10:06:03] <robinbowes> Actually, I was spec'ing up a new laptop, paid for by $newjob, and the mbp was cheaper than an equivalent spec. Lenovo
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[2011/11/02 10:06:19] <robinbowes> So I figured, what the hell..
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[2011/11/02 10:31:21] <agwells0714> robinbowes: too soon?
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[2011/11/02 10:39:38] * bma was excited about puppet dashboard, until he saw the mysql dependency... fail
[2011/11/02 10:39:41] <bma> :(
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[2011/11/02 10:40:11] <robinbowes> agwells0714: eh ?
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[2011/11/02 10:58:20] <agwells0714> your comment about being a mac user now
[2011/11/02 10:59:52] <agwells0714> puppet needs to provide some sort of firewall resource, I do not like any of the ways people have implemented iptables support or even the ways I do it.
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[2011/11/02 11:01:38] <joe-mac> agwells0714: then do your own. that is a highly specific area that offers nearly no payoff for doing a 'generic' type, as no one ever uses the 'generic' type of firewall
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[2011/11/02 11:03:04] <agwells0714> joe-mac: I do roll my own ... just a basic firewall/port/or something would be decent
[2011/11/02 11:03:26] <Volcane> https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-firewall is nice
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[2011/11/02 11:04:06] <agwells0714> I have looked at it several times, there are a couple that have been done like that
[2011/11/02 11:05:12] <agwells0714> right now I am looking at using lokkit to manage iptables and using puppet to manage lokkit or in rhel/centos called system-config-securitylevel
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[2011/11/02 11:06:10] <joe-mac> I tend to move all the complicated shit to the edge firewalls and keep iptables as simple as shit otherwise it will be impossible to troubleshoot
[2011/11/02 11:06:28] <joe-mac> nf has the worst userland interfaces
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[2011/11/02 11:06:56] <agwells0714> is it bad practice to do something like, have defined types that append to an array in a class
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[2011/11/02 11:07:20] <joe-mac> given the non-ordered nature of puppet, I don't think that's really a good idea, and I don't think it would even work the way you expect it to
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[2011/11/02 11:08:26] <agwells0714> thats the thing, if I tell the defined type that it must execute before the base class. when the base class executes it should have collected everything else
[2011/11/02 11:08:40] <Volcane> agwells0714: thats not how it works
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[2011/11/02 11:09:08] <Volcane> agwells0714: variables are compile time - require etc is run time, you cant really influence compile time like that
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[2011/11/02 11:10:01] <agwells0714> I think what I am doing is still being done in compile time.
[2011/11/02 11:10:25] <agwells0714> if the defined type is the one doing the append
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[2011/11/02 11:12:34] <agwells0714> I think I am just getting tired of this problem, just going to go back to having puppet paste iptables rules into a template
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[2011/11/02 11:15:15] <robinbowes> agwells0714: you looked at one of the myriad concat options?
[2011/11/02 11:15:59] <hettik> anyone know how to make puppet agent and master not write to system messages file but to write in $vardir ? puppet still continue to write to /var/log/messages
[2011/11/02 11:16:27] <agwells0714> yeah, I would rather give an array in the order I want than give it a number.
[2011/11/02 11:17:33] <agwells0714> or are you talking about something else? concat arrays like arry3 => [array1, array2]
[2011/11/02 11:17:46] <robinbowes> concat files
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[2011/11/02 11:18:12] <agwells0714> using the cat option?
[2011/11/02 11:18:20] <agwells0714> err command
[2011/11/02 11:18:41] <robinbowes> https://github.com/ripienaar/puppet-concat
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[2011/11/02 11:21:28] <agwells0714> yeah. for some reason I don't like that. I would rather just have arrays like allow_tcp_ports, deny_tcp_ports, trusted_ifaces, ...
[2011/11/02 11:21:31] <agwells0714> and feed that into a template
[2011/11/02 11:22:13] <agwells0714> then have some sort of pre-custom and post custom
[2011/11/02 11:22:21] <agwells0714> array's
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[2011/11/02 11:22:36] <robinbowes> Sounds like that's getting complex for the sake of it
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[2011/11/02 11:24:17] <agwells0714> i know, but I don't like the other options either. hence I would rather there be a resource so that I can just say something like port{ open => true, proto=> true, device => 'bar0', number=>"80"
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[2011/11/02 11:24:56] <robinbowes> You can do that with defines
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[2011/11/02 11:28:36] <d3c> I'd like to use `gem env gemdir` to qualify a gem bin script in exec. can I somehow assign output of `gem env gemdir` to a variable in puppet and use that or should I do something else?
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[2011/11/02 11:31:21] <d3c> question is probably if puppet will interpolate `gem env gemdir`
[2011/11/02 11:31:26] <walkeran> d3c: I could be wrong, but you would probably have to make a fact out of it, since variables are all evaluated at compile-time on the puppet master
[2011/11/02 11:32:09] <d3c> walkeran: ah, good idea. will do that, thanks
[2011/11/02 11:32:38] <walkeran> d3c: no prob
[2011/11/02 11:33:03] <agwells0714> but you are not supposed to call defined resources in classes
[2011/11/02 11:33:27] <walkeran> agwells0714: ?
[2011/11/02 11:33:46] <agwells0714> towards robinbowes
[2011/11/02 11:33:57] <walkeran> I know... I was following the conversation though. Nevermind, I guess
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[2011/11/02 11:34:12] <Volcane> what do you mean "you are not supposed to call defined resources in classes"
[2011/11/02 11:34:22] <Volcane> where else would you 'call' them if everything is in a class?
[2011/11/02 11:34:29] <Volcane> they exist to be used within your classes
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[2011/11/02 11:34:35] <walkeran> That's what I was wondering :P
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[2011/11/02 11:39:04] <agwells0714> I believe puppet doc says you are not supposed to have resource collections inside other resource collections. I call defined resources in nodes
[2011/11/02 11:39:30] <Volcane> you missunderstood it
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[2011/11/02 11:42:43] <agwells0714> so if I was to use a defined resource, how in a template would I reference those variables when the template is called by the main class?
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[2011/11/02 11:43:31] <agwells0714> which as far as I know you cannot, so that is why I would use an array ... and not use something like sed, I don't trust myself that much/
[2011/11/02 11:43:36] <d3c> hm, I'm trying to run the passenger-install-apache2-module via exec in puppet. I got gemdir working now by writing a fact that uses `gem env gemdir`. however, I'm looking for a way to determine the passenger version as well to complete the path. any ideas?
[2011/11/02 11:43:53] <d3c> e.g. path should be /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-3.0.9
[2011/11/02 11:45:02] <Volcane> agwells0714: if you provide variables to a define then you can just use those variables in the template
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[2011/11/02 11:48:20] <d3c> walkeran: any ideas with regards to the passenger path? :)
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[2011/11/02 11:48:58] <agwells0714> is passenger a executible? does it provide its version number in any way?
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[2011/11/02 11:49:10] <walkeran> d3c: Ahh.. good question. That's one that's on my list of things to solve, too... sadly, I have no idea
[2011/11/02 11:49:24] <d3c> agwells0714: well, it does but it's too verbose :( (outputs some copyright stuff as well)
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[2011/11/02 11:49:35] <agwells0714> that is what GREP is for
[2011/11/02 11:49:36] <d3c> agwells0714: could of course manipulate this but it's a bit hacky I guess
[2011/11/02 11:49:54] <agwells0714> or egrep or what ever you choose
[2011/11/02 11:49:56] <rodjek> d3c: why don't you just write a fact that does Dir["/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-*"] and return the largest version number?
[2011/11/02 11:50:00] <agwells0714> or even better awk
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[2011/11/02 11:50:08] <walkeran> d3c: passenger-install-{apache,nginx} is in the ruby bin dir, though, so if it's in your path, you don't need to know it
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[2011/11/02 11:50:32] <d3c> rodjek: oh, that would probably work. will try that
[2011/11/02 11:50:56] <rodjek> although, what do you need the path for?
[2011/11/02 11:51:05] <Volcane> d3c: why dont you just use the rpms or debs?
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[2011/11/02 11:51:23] <d3c> Volcane: got the idea from here: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppet/blob/master/ext/rack/manifest.pp
[2011/11/02 11:51:49] <Volcane> rpms or debs just work
[2011/11/02 11:52:43] <agwells0714> actually Volcane its installing it from gem
[2011/11/02 11:52:46] <agwells0714> look at package
[2011/11/02 11:53:10] <d3c> agwells0714: exactly - the script should run after installing passenger
[2011/11/02 11:53:20] <Volcane> yeah gem is to package as $1 spirits is to whiskey
[2011/11/02 11:53:33] <Volcane> its fucking rubbish and doesnt do what packages are supposed to do
[2011/11/02 11:53:58] <Volcane> which is why the passenger guys also provide debs and rpms that just work
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[2011/11/02 11:54:27] <d3c> will try the RPMs then
[2011/11/02 11:54:58] <agwells0714> you know what I hate when it comes to packaging, the freaking ubuntu/debian fan boys. If you are going to develop system administration tools, develop at the centos/rhel level and release package for those first.
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[2011/11/02 11:55:36] <agwells0714> chef is a nightmare to install on centos because of this
[2011/11/02 11:55:53] <agwells0714> as well as iClassify
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[2011/11/02 11:57:25] <ashp> develop all your tools for gentoo first
[2011/11/02 11:57:28] <ashp> the premier server platform
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[2011/11/02 11:58:23] <d3c> btw, looking at http://www.modrails.com/install.html, could I use a URL as a package name in puppet? (http://passenger.stealthymonkeys.com/rhel/6/passenger-release.noarch.rpm)
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[2011/11/02 11:59:13] <the_ramink> d3c: you can't, you should add their repo or host in your own local repo.
[2011/11/02 11:59:27] <d3c> the_ramink: ok
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[2011/11/02 12:00:31] <kjetilho> d3c: you can specify source with the rpm provider, I think
[2011/11/02 12:00:40] <Volcane> using repos are best
[2011/11/02 12:00:53] <kjetilho> (not to be confused with the yum provider)
[2011/11/02 12:00:58] <agwells0714> ashp: obvious troll is obvious
[2011/11/02 12:02:36] <ashp> agwells0714: I tried to explain to one of the VPs here that his bullshit about building out some massive automated thing on freebsd was to me the same as insisting I work with gentoo
[2011/11/02 12:03:24] <d3c> btw, dependencies go like this, right: rack -> passenger -> httpd -> puppetmaster ?
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[2011/11/02 12:06:54] <agwells0714> ashp: why freebsd? what was he trying to do?
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[2011/11/02 12:07:28] <ashp> agwells0714: Who knows? He likes freebsd from his long past days of programming C, i guess
[2011/11/02 12:07:37] <d3c> brb
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[2011/11/02 12:10:13] <agwells0714> ashp: tell him RMS loves C to ... that will make him switch to Java fast
[2011/11/02 12:10:22] <hajile> so I'm getting warnings about using fully qualified variable names in puppet 2.7.6, would the following be a valid correction: http://pastebin.com/9n1Dzq2f
[2011/11/02 12:10:33] <hajile> where hostname comes from the top scope
[2011/11/02 12:10:44] <ashp> agwells0714: I love and miss freebsd but in todays world of rapid provisioning, automation and whatnot it's just not keeping up
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[2011/11/02 12:13:18] <agwells0714> ashp: yeah I really can't think of anything mean to say about freebsd.
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[2011/11/02 12:13:57] <ashp> agwells0714: It's not that it's a bad OS, it's just real hard to automate
[2011/11/02 12:14:05] <ashp> agwells0714: mostly because of the lack of real package management
[2011/11/02 12:14:29] <agwells0714> btw has anyone heard of a configuration management tool called pallet, I didn't read much documentation on it
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[2011/11/02 12:14:48] <agwells0714> as there was not much there...
[2011/11/02 12:15:16] <agwells0714> but you had to write your rules in clojure ... (ew)
[2011/11/02 12:15:37] <ashp> hell no :/
[2011/11/02 12:15:49] <ashp> I look forward to the first scary haskell based CM system
[2011/11/02 12:16:27] <hajile> another question is why i'd get the warning about hostname, but not name
[2011/11/02 12:16:44] <hajile> is that just because 'name' is local to the module, so it's able to assume the proper scope?
[2011/11/02 12:16:55] <agwells0714> $name is there by defalt
[2011/11/02 12:16:59] <hajile> got it
[2011/11/02 12:17:00] <hajile> ok
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[2011/11/02 12:17:24] <agwells0714> are you tying to make a parameterized class?
[2011/11/02 12:17:41] <hajile> well, just trying to use '$hostname' in a template
[2011/11/02 12:18:02] <agwells0714> is $hostname in your class?
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[2011/11/02 12:18:13] <hajile> no, i'm using it from the top scope fact
[2011/11/02 12:18:30] <agwells0714> I think someone was saying you had to do something different for facts in erb templates
[2011/11/02 12:18:50] <walkeran> hajile: use scope.lookupvar('hostname') in a template, or $::hostname in your manifest
[2011/11/02 12:19:05] <hajile> ok, no need for the ::hostname in the template
[2011/11/02 12:19:06] <hajile> sweet
[2011/11/02 12:19:07] <hajile> thank you!
[2011/11/02 12:20:01] <walkeran> nope... with scope.lookupvar() you can either pass it '::hostname' or 'hostname'.. both work without warning, IIRC
[2011/11/02 12:20:12] <hajile> ok cool
[2011/11/02 12:20:23] <hajile> and i'll be able to do scope.lookupvar('hostname').method
[2011/11/02 12:20:25] <hajile> ?
[2011/11/02 12:20:39] <walkeran> Yeah
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[2011/11/02 12:20:44] <hajile> hot :)
[2011/11/02 12:20:46] <walkeran> :)
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[2011/11/02 12:21:05] <hajile> slowly cleaning warnings up, but i'm up and running on 2.7.6
[2011/11/02 12:21:06] <hajile> yay
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[2011/11/02 12:21:41] <hajile> thanks again for your help yesterday
[2011/11/02 12:21:43] <walkeran> Nice. Yeah, I could have probably made the conversion a little quicker, but I decided to do a ground-up rewrite of all of our modules at the same time
[2011/11/02 12:22:00] <hajile> ah yeah, we're going to do that piecemeal over time
[2011/11/02 12:22:34] <walkeran> it was a tough decision for me, but since I didn't have a whole lot of other big "projects" on my plate, at the time, I decided to just go balls-to-the-walls, and do it all at once
[2011/11/02 12:22:44] <hajile> i'd love to do that too
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[2011/11/02 12:23:16] <agwells0714> so I guess new people are on, does anyone know how to monitor a file for changes. without specifying content if you know what I mean?
[2011/11/02 12:23:25] <walkeran> It made life a lot easier, but I can definitely understand not being able to sit down and devote months worth of time to flat-out starting over
[2011/11/02 12:23:57] <hajile> there are definitely some nightmare modules we have that are going to take weeks to get back in shape
[2011/11/02 12:24:01] <hajile> without killing production
[2011/11/02 12:24:35] <hajile> those are mainly modules I wrote when I was first learning puppet ;)
[2011/11/02 12:24:46] <walkeran> Heh... that'll happen! :D
[2011/11/02 12:24:51] <Guest94556> how to use this IRC?
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[2011/11/02 12:25:19] <agwells0714> ask google
[2011/11/02 12:25:19] <hajile> agwells: not sure what you want to do exactly
[2011/11/02 12:25:42] <Guest94556> i am new here. can someone help? I want to talk to ccaum to ask a question
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[2011/11/02 12:26:45] <agwells0714> In my case, I want to use a simple frontend to manage iptables, so that if the frontend configration change apply the frontend, or if the iptables file changes run the frontend
[2011/11/02 12:26:51] <walkeran> agwells0714: file { "/file/to/audit": audit => 'content'; }
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[2011/11/02 12:27:08] <walkeran> agwells0714: Oh, I guess that might not be what you need, then
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[2011/11/02 12:28:10] <Guest94556> I have a puppet technical question. I am getting the following error when running puppet agent -t : : Could not back up /local/mnt/tcServer/runtime-instances/cne-installer/webapps/cne/WEB-INF/classes/hbase-site.xml: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed
[2011/11/02 12:28:15] <Guest94556> can someone help?
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[2011/11/02 12:28:57] <agwells0714> did you sign your puppet client to the puppetmaster?
[2011/11/02 12:29:06] <Guest94556> yes
[2011/11/02 12:29:22] <Guest94556> signed, and cleaned and then restarted both client and master
[2011/11/02 12:29:36] <agwells0714> does your configuration allow that node to use the filebucket?
[2011/11/02 12:29:37] <Guest94556> and re-signed.
[2011/11/02 12:29:43] <Guest94556> still the problem
[2011/11/02 12:29:56] <agwells0714> like in the auth.conf file
[2011/11/02 12:30:00] <Guest94556> puppet.conf?
[2011/11/02 12:30:10] <Guest94556> oh, auth.comf
[2011/11/02 12:30:20] <Guest94556> no
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[2011/11/02 12:31:28] <Guest94556> how canI do that in auth.conf?
[2011/11/02 12:31:33] <agwells0714> also check the fileserver.conf
[2011/11/02 12:31:54] <agwells0714> that might be more important
[2011/11/02 12:32:38] <Guest94556> the code is like this:
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[2011/11/02 12:33:41] <agwells0714> oh wait, can each of your machines resolve the others domain name?
[2011/11/02 12:33:47] <Guest94556> file {"$webapps_dir/$root_context/WEB-INF/classes/hbase-site.xml": ensure => present, mode => "664", owner => userbat, group => webbat, content => template("qsp_installer/hbase-site.xml.erb"), replace => true, require => Exec['sleep 15'], }
[2011/11/02 12:33:51] <walkeran> agwells0714: Oh hey... I just did a test, and if I understand your question correctly, you CAN use the audit parameter of a file resource to do what you want
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[2011/11/02 12:34:32] <Guest94556> other part of the manifest works though
[2011/11/02 12:34:52] <walkeran> agwells0714: http://pastie.org/2800624 With this code, Exec['true'] will only be executed when it detects a change to the content of /tmp/audit-test since the previous run
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[2011/11/02 12:35:04] <agwells0714> is audit a metaparameter?
[2011/11/02 12:35:08] <walkeran> yep
[2011/11/02 12:35:24] <walkeran> It can technically be used for any parameter of any resource, I believe
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[2011/11/02 12:36:31] <d3c> Volcane: did you ever host passenger in a local repo? I just tried that. downloaded the RHEL 6 and put it into my local repo. nodes could install passenger but afterwards they'd be broken since the mirrors passenger installs can't be found. did you build a custom RPM based on the source?
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[2011/11/02 12:37:25] <Guest94556> ok, thanks. gtg
[2011/11/02 12:37:37] <agwells0714> sorry for no help
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[2011/11/02 12:39:20] <agwells0714> sweet thanks for audit =)
[2011/11/02 12:39:37] <walkeran> no problem. Funny, as I just learned about that one yesterday. Good timing, I guess :)
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[2011/11/02 12:42:32] <jsm> i'm using puppet to set up clusters of systems.. i'm trying to think of a way that an app server can join the cluster and be notified who the db server for the domain is without using a central manifest... i'm pretty sure i read of way puppet nodes can talk to each other, but can't find the information any more. someone have a link?
[2011/11/02 12:42:34] <asteve> we need to run our crons as a specific user and would like to keep them in the users crontab; how can I use puppet to manage this?
[2011/11/02 12:43:09] <asteve> jsm: if you store facter facts on the machines it should be easy
[2011/11/02 12:43:30] <jsm> asteve: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/type.html#cron
[2011/11/02 12:44:27] <agwells0714> jsm: like exported resources http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/exported_resources.html
[2011/11/02 12:44:57] <jsm> i'm not sure if the puppet cron type stores it in the user's cron or not.. but it seems it would be easy to modify the type to do so
[2011/11/02 12:45:11] <jsm> i just modified the yum type last night to support s3-based yum repositories
[2011/11/02 12:45:44] <asteve> jsm: will this be placed in the users crontab or cron.d or /etc/crontab?
[2011/11/02 12:45:58] <asteve> or roots crontab?
[2011/11/02 12:46:01] <jsm> asteve: see 2 lines above :)
[2011/11/02 12:46:07] <jsm> 3 lines :)
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[2011/11/02 12:46:35] <asteve> bah, that's what I get for reading a documentation link and then not reading the channel before typing something :)
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[2011/11/02 12:48:06] <agwells0714> jsm: was exported resources what you where thinking of?
[2011/11/02 12:48:38] <hajile> walkeran: will this work? -> source => "puppet:///modules/cassandra/cassandra.yaml-${::hostname}",
[2011/11/02 12:49:10] <walkeran> hajile: Looks legit to me! If you are referring to the fact-in-a-string part of it, yes, that's correct
[2011/11/02 12:49:16] <hajile> yes
[2011/11/02 12:49:20] <hajile> thanks!
[2011/11/02 12:49:23] <walkeran> yupyup
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[2011/11/02 12:49:50] <asteve> clarification of the cron use case, I want it to run every minute; would I only specify minute => '*'?
[2011/11/02 12:49:54] <hajile> it was whining about ${hostname} by itself
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[2011/11/02 12:51:03] <the_ramink> asteve: IIRC you don't need to specify anything since the cron type defaults to * * * * *
[2011/11/02 12:51:09] <hajile> ah interesting.. so if you have a function inside of a manifest, you have to scope your variables in the current class?
[2011/11/02 12:51:14] <hajile> even if the function is in the same class?
[2011/11/02 12:51:55] <jsm> agwells0714 & asteve: i'm not sure if that would work because i have multiple clusters using the same puppet server, and they all ask who the db server is for the cluster, they are going to get mixed up
[2011/11/02 12:51:58] <walkeran> hajile: ehhh....you lost me somewhere between "interesting" and "class"
[2011/11/02 12:52:03] <hajile> hjaha
[2011/11/02 12:52:14] <hajile> 1 sec, i'll pastebin the manifest
[2011/11/02 12:52:34] <hajile> or at least enough to make sense
[2011/11/02 12:55:15] <agwells0714> whynot just create a class then and set a variable to be the location of the db server? or use the host resource and give that to everyone
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[2011/11/02 12:57:41] <ianbrandt> Greetings. The Pro Puppet book has a great explanation of using environments and multiple version control branches/checkouts to manage versioning for different sets of nodes. Is there any similar facility available at the intra-node level?
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[2011/11/02 13:02:07] <walkeran> ianbrandt: Not sure I can help, but could you go into a little more depth by what you mean by intra-node, or what you are trying to accomplish?
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[2011/11/02 13:03:36] <ianbrandt> walkeran: Thanks. I have a shared hosting like environment where I need to potentially manage multiple versions of the same set of services on a given node. So each instance of those services deployed to the node is like a "mini-environment".
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[2011/11/02 13:04:38] <bsg_kwolf1> I'm sure this is my fault, but is there a way to find out what resource this is coming from in puppet? err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Duplicate definition: Nagios_host[--- !ruby/sym undef] is already defined; cannot redefine on node bipbippadotta.backstop.local
[2011/11/02 13:05:07] <bsg_kwolf1> It's trying to collect a virtual resource, but I don't know what host that got stored from.
[2011/11/02 13:05:42] <bsg_kwolf1> There's no more information that I can find, even with debug.
[2011/11/02 13:06:12] <ianbrandt> walkeran: The way environments can be set up for multiple version control checkouts is just what I'm looking for, but it seems that environments are at the one per node level.
[2011/11/02 13:06:29] <walkeran> ianbrandt: Ahhh, I get what you are saying. I'm not sure there are any real cut and dried conventions for doing that. I am doing something to that extent, although, it's more just environments for releasing code.. ie: dev/staging/alpha/beta/production environments which my apache module handles
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[2011/11/02 13:06:54] <walkeran> ianbrandt: Yeah, I don't think that actual "puppet environments" are going to be the answer you are looking for, since you can only really have one environment per node
[2011/11/02 13:08:18] <walkeran> ianbrandt: But, you're probably going to have to handle the logic in your manifests. ie: my "web" nodes include a role_web class, which includes apache::role::web { 'prod': }... and my staging machines include apache::role::web { [ 'prod
[2011/11/02 13:08:25] <walkeran> ack... sorry, accidentally hit enter
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[2011/11/02 13:09:57] <walkeran> And my staging machines include apache::role::web { ['prod', 'alpha', 'beta']: } .... There's probably a much better way to do it, but I guess I'm just trying to stress that what you are trying to do is probably going to have to be somewhat tailored to your specific environment as a whole, and done in your modules
[2011/11/02 13:12:05] <ashp> i handle this stuff via foreman smart variables
[2011/11/02 13:12:09] <ashp> so i set things like web_role
[2011/11/02 13:12:10] <ianbrandt> walkeran: Yeah, that's what I figured. I thought about trying to leverage package management, but then I have a bootstrap issue for the configuration shared between the apps and the puppet managed services that support them. If I package manage the shared config it isn't available until Puppet deploys it to the agent during the config phase, but it's needed during the compile phase on the master.
[2011/11/02 13:12:12] <ashp> and then match on fqdn's or whatever
[2011/11/02 13:12:24] <ashp> fqdn = www1.blah and set that to 'prod' for example
[2011/11/02 13:13:32] <ianbrandt> walkerman: ...And if I source the config in Puppet then it'd be the latest manifest version that Puppet is running off of for that environment, not the mixed versions I need.
[2011/11/02 13:14:25] <ianbrandt> ashp: Thanks, I'll read up on Foreman and see what I can learn.
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[2011/11/02 13:15:05] <MattTheRat> anyone know of a good erb syntax highlighting tool?
[2011/11/02 13:15:24] <MattTheRat> or a vim script?
[2011/11/02 13:15:41] <ashp> ianbrandt: It's worth a look, it's definitely a lot easier than hardcoding the stuff into the manifests (I've tried like 15 different ways of doing the kind of thing you're doing, nothing is ideal, in my perfect world everything automagically figures out what it is and just works but alas i have to hardcode this stuff somewhere)
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[2011/11/02 13:17:00] <ianbrandt> ashp: Good to know I'm not the only one trying to solve this. :)
[2011/11/02 13:17:08] <ashp> ianbrandt: it's a horrible problem to solve :)
[2011/11/02 13:17:30] <ashp> i am always reinventing the way our machines are classified, labelled, provisioned, etc, and there's no perfect solution sadly
[2011/11/02 13:17:35] <ashp> or there is and i'm too dumb to know it!
[2011/11/02 13:17:45] <ianbrandt> I could run each instance in it's own VM, but that's far more heavyweight than what I need right now.
[2011/11/02 13:18:04] <agwells0714> there is iClassify which generates facts, but its a pain to put this on RHEL/CENTOS
[2011/11/02 13:18:26] <agwells0714> the other option is to use cfengine which can do this out of the box
[2011/11/02 13:21:07] <ianbrandt> member:agwells0714: Thanks. I hadn't heard of iClassify.
[2011/11/02 13:21:33] <ianbrandt> (oops, copy/paste)
[2011/11/02 13:21:47] <the_ramink> MattTheRat: if you've got an eruby.vim syntax file that should work or you can get the latest here. https://github.com/vim-ruby/vim-ruby
[2011/11/02 13:22:09] <ianbrandt> agwells0714: iClassify seems to be at the node level too?
[2011/11/02 13:22:59] <agwells0714> so you can register node to iClassify, and then you can put 'tags' onto specific systems, and then you say something in puppet like anything with "tag" give this
[2011/11/02 13:23:18] <MattTheRat> the_ramink: that's exactly what I was hoping for, thank you.
[2011/11/02 13:23:36] <agwells0714> give this configuration. or put conditionals in your modules
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[2011/11/02 13:23:47] <agwells0714> *selectors
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[2011/11/02 13:26:17] <asteve> is */5 the same as 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 as a cron specification in puppet?
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[2011/11/02 13:26:51] <ashp> yes
[2011/11/02 13:26:52] <ianbrandt> agwells0714: Hmm. Okay I'll stew on how I might leverage that for my issue.
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[2011/11/02 13:28:07] <Dominic> asteve: don't forgot 0
[2011/11/02 13:28:27] <asteve> Dominic: ?
[2011/11/02 13:28:36] <RoyK> ashp: with gnu cron, as on linux, yes, on other unices, */5 might not be supported (and it's 0,5,10... :P)
[2011/11/02 13:28:51] <Dominic> asteve: in your list you're missing 0. It starts at 5 past until 5 to, but not on the hour.
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[2011/11/02 13:30:17] <RoyK> I guess that should be vixie cron, not gnu cron...
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[2011/11/02 13:30:34] <asteve> Dominic: whoops! thanks :)
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[2011/11/02 13:45:36] <imroot> hello, I just installed puppet enterpriose. Now what? It runs but what can I do with it/
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[2011/11/02 13:46:07] <windowsrefund> read the docs?
[2011/11/02 13:46:24] <imroot> sort of. They are not very intuitive.
[2011/11/02 13:46:31] <windowsrefund> then read the book
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[2011/11/02 13:47:11] <imroot> I don't have time to read 300+ pages. The website says Ican be up and running and managing my systems in 15 minutes.
[2011/11/02 13:47:19] <windowsrefund> hahahahha
[2011/11/02 13:47:20] <windowsrefund> ok
[2011/11/02 13:47:48] <imroot> basically I need to know just how to start using this.
[2011/11/02 13:47:56] <windowsrefund> then read the docs
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[2011/11/02 13:48:09] <windowsrefund> or hire someone that will
[2011/11/02 13:49:00] <imroot> If I have to sort through 300+ pages then it kind of defeats the prupose now doesn't it?
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[2011/11/02 13:49:11] <windowsrefund> wow
[2011/11/02 13:49:13] <windowsrefund> ok buddy
[2011/11/02 13:49:50] <windowsrefund> you're talking about software you intend to manage your systems and you're opposed to reading the documentation?
[2011/11/02 13:50:05] <windowsrefund> I think you should uninstall Puppet before you get yourself into trouble
[2011/11/02 13:50:24] <RoyK> "A DBA walks into a NoSQL bar, but leaves, because he can't find a table".......
[2011/11/02 13:50:38] <windowsrefund> heh
[2011/11/02 13:51:52] <agwells0714> yeah, so how about we point you the the most basic documentation on using puppet. http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/language_guide.html
[2011/11/02 13:52:16] <imroot> I want to manage my systems, not read a book and and do a lot of customized programming. It seems like that's what this is really about.
[2011/11/02 13:52:30] <windowsrefund> imroot: seriously, you shouldn't be using Puppet
[2011/11/02 13:52:37] <jalbretsen> I read through many many documents for puppet before I knew what to do with it. It was well worth it. And I'm still learning.
[2011/11/02 13:52:40] <agwells0714> okay, how long have you been using linux (imroot)?
[2011/11/02 13:53:01] <windowsrefund> imroot: you should hire a sysadmin
[2011/11/02 13:53:34] <joe-mac> imroot: available for puppet contracts, if you don't wanna learn and awnna pay contact me jmcdonagh@thesilentpenguin.com
[2011/11/02 13:53:41] <jalbretsen> imroot: If you are not willing to read documents and manuals, you have no business running puppet. Hire someone that know how to run it. And read. Or take a class.
[2011/11/02 13:53:53] <joe-mac> sorry if solicitation is barred in here, someone from PL just message me and I will never do again
[2011/11/02 13:54:48] <agwells0714> imroot: did you just install ubuntu and use a gui and think you know linux because you "figured it out"
[2011/11/02 13:54:56] <hooper> but guys, he's root
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[2011/11/02 13:55:11] <joe-mac> come on guys, lay off him, not everyone wants or needs to be mr. greybeard
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[2011/11/02 13:55:52] <windowsrefund> and not everyone should be running something as powerful as Puppet
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[2011/11/02 13:56:10] <joe-mac> windowsrefund: GPO and AD are powerful, if you want to make that comparison
[2011/11/02 13:56:16] <windowsrefund> no they're not
[2011/11/02 13:56:28] <agwells0714> sure, but I got an education and actually got books on using linux, learned how to manage systems, and learned how to use puppet.
[2011/11/02 13:56:39] <windowsrefund> they're for drooling windoze slobs who need to click on things all day
[2011/11/02 13:56:41] <imroot> All I wanted to know is how to start using this junk and I get attacked.
[2011/11/02 13:56:55] <windowsrefund> imroot: because you don't have good habits
[2011/11/02 13:56:59] <devdas> heh
[2011/11/02 13:57:10] <windowsrefund> imroot: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[2011/11/02 13:57:13] <agwells0714> imroot: so you call the product you spent money on junk, then ask for help on it
[2011/11/02 13:57:22] <dpittman> windowsrefund: Hey, can we avoid gratuitous jabs at platforms here, please.
[2011/11/02 13:57:24] <joe-mac> windowsrefund: rofl, you've got quite the outlook on SA if you think GPO and AD aren't powerful tools
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[2011/11/02 13:57:44] <windowsrefund> joe-mac: they're tools alright
[2011/11/02 13:57:51] <windowsrefund> tools used by tools
[2011/11/02 13:57:53] <windowsrefund> heh
[2011/11/02 13:57:54] <imroot> I wouldn't spend a dime on this. I'm running the eval to see if it's useful or not.
[2011/11/02 13:57:55] <agwells0714> imroot: please just go to this page http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/language_guide.html and read it. it wont take you 10 minutes
[2011/11/02 13:58:05] <jalbretsen> imroot: I'm afraid the best place to start is where you don't want to. You need to read the manuals and docs.
[2011/11/02 13:58:12] <devdas> imroot, there's a few basic docs to start with
[2011/11/02 13:58:52] <hooper> wow.. are you guys hiring? i need a job without challenge
[2011/11/02 13:58:59] <windowsrefund> hah
[2011/11/02 13:59:13] <jalbretsen> My friend gave me a book. I read it. Then I read more and more docs on the puppetlabs site. That's how I got started, and you can to
[2011/11/02 13:59:23] <agwells0714> imroot: protip most of the time when things are labeled enterprise in the opensource world it just means you bought support from the company you got it from.
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[2011/11/02 13:59:54] <devdas> imroot, Puppet is a rather powerful tool. You can start in ~ 15 minutes, but spending the time in reading the manual will bring you far more benefits
[2011/11/02 13:59:59] <hooper> two of my friends this week cracked open 'pulling strings with puppet' and had it running in less than a day with minimal help
[2011/11/02 14:00:03] <dpittman> agwells0714: There is a bit more to it than that. ;)
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[2011/11/02 14:00:47] <windowsrefund> dpittman: not really, in fact, "Enterprise" is nothing more than a buzz word used to con people into thinking something is more than it is
[2011/11/02 14:00:58] <devdas> http://dvb.homelinux.org/~devdas/puppet.html
[2011/11/02 14:01:01] <agwells0714> dpittman: true =P but in most cases it isnt
[2011/11/02 14:01:05] <devdas> imroot, try that
[2011/11/02 14:01:18] <devdas> That's a *very* old, very basic tutorial
[2011/11/02 14:01:24] <dpittman> windowsrefund: I assure you, as one of the developers, that there is more to it than that. :)
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[2011/11/02 14:01:47] <windowsrefund> dpittman: I know exactly what Puppet Enterprise is
[2011/11/02 14:01:49] <devdas> but it'll give you the idea of what can be done
[2011/11/02 14:01:50] <dpittman> imroot: Fundamentally, the question is: what do you *want* to do with Puppet?
[2011/11/02 14:03:43] * devdas wonders if imroot was just trolling
[2011/11/02 14:03:55] <imroot> < reading the docs
[2011/11/02 14:04:36] <Wolfspyre> yay!
[2011/11/02 14:04:52] <the_ramink> anyone have some thoughts on case statements wrapping class includes. I'm trying to support mutiple OS with a single mysql module and feel I'm on the verge of making a convoluted mess. http://pastie.org/2801054
[2011/11/02 14:05:34] <agwells0714> imroot: =D| <(^-^<) (>^-^)>
[2011/11/02 14:06:01] <windowsrefund> the_ramink: I like to throw my os-specific resources and overrides into a subclass called os. For example, foo::os inherits foo
[2011/11/02 14:06:25] <jalbretsen> imroot: I was extremely frustrated with Puppet at first. Once I got over the "learning hump" and through the docs and all, I've been able to do some great things. Like combine with Kickstart and have fully configured servers in 10 minutes. It will be well worth your time.
[2011/11/02 14:07:01] <agwells0714> best thing in the world, brining up multiple systems in minutes
[2011/11/02 14:07:18] <imroot> So far it seems that I have to manually define everything that I have to manage. Is there an antomatic discovery feature that sets this up?
[2011/11/02 14:07:45] <agwells0714> you only need to define things you want to ensure a configuration for
[2011/11/02 14:07:56] <agwells0714> if you want to see how things are currently working on your system
[2011/11/02 14:07:57] <windowsrefund> imroot: to discover what exactly?
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[2011/11/02 14:08:20] <agwells0714> you can type 'puppet resource file $pathtofile$'
[2011/11/02 14:09:06] <agwells0714> you can see a list of resources in puppet by using 'puppet describe -l'
[2011/11/02 14:09:06] <devdas> imroot, no
[2011/11/02 14:09:23] <devdas> But Puppet will manage only what you tell it to, and ignore everything else
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[2011/11/02 14:09:48] <devdas> windowsrefund, think of the whole network discovery supported by most monitoring software
[2011/11/02 14:10:22] <windowsrefund> oh
[2011/11/02 14:10:31] <windowsrefund> yea, that's not what Puppet does
[2011/11/02 14:11:03] <windowsrefund> I know that because I recall the docs not listing enumeration as a feature
[2011/11/02 14:11:09] <agwells0714> if that is what he wants he really should be looking at cfengine (maybe chef) for grouping based on system facts. There is also an advanced way of doing role based configuration, but its really weird
[2011/11/02 14:11:19] <Volcane> imroot: see devsructure blueprint
[2011/11/02 14:11:45] <imroot> So if I have to define everything I want to manage, then why not just do it instead of using this?
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[2011/11/02 14:12:09] <windowsrefund> imroot: how did you even hear about Puppet?
[2011/11/02 14:12:11] <the_ramink> windowsrefund: let me mock that up, but at first glance that seems more complex
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[2011/11/02 14:12:18] <Volcane> imroot: because with puppet u do it once with yourself u do it 1000 times
[2011/11/02 14:12:20] <agwells0714> because once you do it in puppet it will distribute it to all of your other puppet systems
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[2011/11/02 14:12:41] <windowsrefund> the_ramink: it's not. Your foo class can be lean while your foo::os class can override it
[2011/11/02 14:12:44] <asteve> how do you specify multiple weekday values in a cron statement?
[2011/11/02 14:12:53] <devdas> imroot, because Puppet is really meant for those who want repeatable builds, or have multiple identical systems
[2011/11/02 14:12:53] <devdas> (you may have multiple identical systems, but only one at a time)
[2011/11/02 14:12:53] <windowsrefund> asteve: using an array
[2011/11/02 14:12:54] <Volcane> imroot: and puppet continuesly runs and audits and put things in the right way - say something broke your server by making chnages you dont want made
[2011/11/02 14:13:06] <asteve> windowsrefund: ['2','5']?
[2011/11/02 14:13:19] <windowsrefund> asteve: you should try that
[2011/11/02 14:13:20] <agwells0714> imroot: or someone is root and changed your configurations, puppet would change them back
[2011/11/02 14:13:37] <devdas> For instance, at the previous job, we rolled out ~ 20 racks of servers in a single day, fully configured (starting with unpacking the boxes)
[2011/11/02 14:14:02] <Volcane> seriously though check out http://devstructure.com/ it reads a hand built system and makes puppet code
[2011/11/02 14:14:26] <agwells0714> pxe + kickstart + CMS (puppet) = trifecta of system administration
[2011/11/02 14:16:10] <windowsrefund> agwells0714: that's if you're using a redhat based system
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[2011/11/02 14:17:24] <imroot> I rollout my machines through my cloud automation instead of kickstarts. but this may be usefull to keep them in check after they are up.
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[2011/11/02 14:17:50] <agwells0714> what is debians upstart?
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[2011/11/02 14:18:04] <windowsrefund> agwells0714: it sucks
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[2011/11/02 14:18:22] <jsm> if i need to patch a type, can i distribute that type as a custom type or do i need to patch it in place on the server and client ?
[2011/11/02 14:18:47] <andrewvos> Anyone know if you can change the network settings in virtualbox preferences (the global settings) when provisioning?
[2011/11/02 14:18:52] <agwells0714> is cobbler the third party version of kickstart?
[2011/11/02 14:19:11] <imroot> I'll go through the docs in more detail then.
[2011/11/02 14:19:21] <agaffney> jsm: you can have your type inherit and override the built-in type
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[2011/11/02 14:19:37] <jsm> agaffney: does it do that by default or do i have to specify that?
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[2011/11/02 14:20:18] <jsm> agaffney: basically i added 3 things to the yumrepo type.. would prefer to inherit the original of course, just not sure how
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[2011/11/02 14:20:56] <agwells0714> I can remember when I used to be kind of frustrated like that before wondering why every configuration file had to be so different on a linux system
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[2011/11/02 14:21:34] <jsm> agwells0714: no, cobbler is not 3rd party kickstart
[2011/11/02 14:21:37] <jsm> it uses kickstart
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[2011/11/02 14:21:57] <agwells0714> I have heard of it, never actually used or read up on it.
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[2011/11/02 14:23:35] <hajile> has anyone found an intellij puppet plugin?
[2011/11/02 14:24:55] <hajile> would be super handy for refactoring in my existing tool
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[2011/11/02 14:25:39] <Volcane> hajile: there's a good eclipse based ide
[2011/11/02 14:27:06] <Volcane> debian has fai
[2011/11/02 14:27:17] <Volcane> but kickstart is also ported to at least ubuntu afaik - no idea how usable
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[2011/11/02 14:29:06] <adrient> Volcane: quite usable. A few kickstart options aren't fully implemented, but using preseed values you can get pretty much anything done.
[2011/11/02 14:30:15] <Volcane> suse has a reasonable automated build system
[2011/11/02 14:30:33] <Volcane> as does mandrake/mandriva/wtf its called now
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[2011/11/02 14:41:50] <jsm> Volcane: I patched the yumrepo type to add some values i use for a specific plugin, agaffney mentions the better route is to inherit the yumrepo class and make my own modifications that override it, and distribute that.. but i'm not quite sure how i do the inheritance/override
[2011/11/02 14:42:07] <Volcane> jsm: yeah dont know much about type development
[2011/11/02 14:42:48] <jsm> Volcan: ok, I'll stick with just patching the stock one for now
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[2011/11/02 14:45:30] <nottings> just ran into an interesting, unexpected error. I have defined a function in my site.pp file called flag_for_reboot. Then, in a module called configure_routes I have a defined function called add_routes that does a notify => Flag_for_reboot['routes_changed']. When puppet runs, this generates and error stating can't define Flag_for_reboot in init.pp:43 already defined in init.pp:43 Would you expect this error to happen, or have I
[2011/11/02 14:45:30] <nottings> hit some bug? Here is the pastie of functions to help better explain: http://pastebin.com/V4hE6BKu
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[2011/11/02 14:47:15] <rodjek> nottings: are you calling add_routes more than once?
[2011/11/02 14:47:19] <dwalu> has anybody seen this error before? (err): Failed to generate additional resources using 'eval_generate: end of file reached
[2011/11/02 14:47:40] <nottings> sort of... via array
[2011/11/02 14:47:45] <nottings> $exchange_array = split($exchanges,',')
[2011/11/02 14:47:45] <nottings> add_routes { $exchange_array: }
[2011/11/02 14:47:55] <rodjek> nottings: well then you're going to define flag
[2011/11/02 14:48:01] <nottings> ah!
[2011/11/02 14:48:02] <nottings> yes
[2011/11/02 14:48:03] <nottings> thank you
[2011/11/02 14:49:02] <rodjek> so yeah, you probably want to encapsulate the flag_for_reboot { route_chages: } resource in a class, then include that class in add_route so that you only end up with 1 instance of it
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[2011/11/02 14:49:55] <nottings> good shit, rodjek! Thanks!
[2011/11/02 14:50:07] <rodjek> no worries
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[2011/11/02 15:00:26] <martha> hi
[2011/11/02 15:00:35] <hooper> hi
[2011/11/02 15:01:08] <Volcane> martha: wow, ltns :)
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[2011/11/02 15:01:18] <martha> hi Volcane!
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[2011/11/02 15:02:09] <martha> so, I'm securing my puppet masters with the new procedure, but after I create the new cert (with dns_alt_name), when I re-run the scan_certs script, it still says my cert is vulnerable!
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[2011/11/02 15:02:50] <Volcane> heh, i am not sure about the details for that fix
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[2011/11/02 15:04:54] <jmccune> martha: That's actually expected
[2011/11/02 15:05:15] <jmccune> martha: the scan_certs tool considers any cert with alternate names "vulnerable"
[2011/11/02 15:05:31] <jmccune> martha: In this case, you've created a new cert with alt names (for your master, right?)
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[2011/11/02 15:05:53] <martha> jmccuune: yes
[2011/11/02 15:06:04] <jmccune> At the end of the process, you should only have one cert with alternate names, the master cert.
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[2011/11/02 15:06:14] <jmccune> And the scan tool will still flag that one
[2011/11/02 15:06:26] <martha> jmccune: ok, thanks!
[2011/11/02 15:06:34] <martha> I just wanted to make sure
[2011/11/02 15:06:45] <jmccune> But it's "OK" since that's the intention of a certificate with alternate names... To allow an agent to talk to the master using different names.
[2011/11/02 15:07:02] <jmccune> martha: If the scan tool flags more than your master cert, then you should be concerned.
[2011/11/02 15:07:20] <bpgoldsb> Anyone have any idea about the below Puppet output? /Stage[main]/Nagios::Default_checks/Nagios::Service[Swap Usage]/Nsca::Check[Swap Usage]/Cron[nsca Swap Usage to 10.247.20.26]/user: user changed '0' to 'root'
[2011/11/02 15:07:23] <jmccune> Feel free to ping me if you have any questions
[2011/11/02 15:07:56] <bpgoldsb> It's creating duplicate cronjobs. And I don't know why it's finding them as user '0', since my Cron types specify user => "root", not user => 0
[2011/11/02 15:08:29] <Volcane> bpgoldsb: best to show logs
[2011/11/02 15:08:40] <bpgoldsb> Volcane: Which logs?
[2011/11/02 15:08:46] <jmccune> Ah, parsedfile...
[2011/11/02 15:08:49] <martha> bpgoldsb: are you using LDAP?
[2011/11/02 15:08:49] <Volcane> the logs that creates the dupes.
[2011/11/02 15:09:02] <bpgoldsb> martha: No. No ENC.
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[2011/11/02 15:09:57] <bpgoldsb> Volcane: I guess what I mean is logs from the Client or the Puppet Master?
[2011/11/02 15:11:12] <martha> bpgoldsb: no, for the user data
[2011/11/02 15:11:26] <bpgoldsb> martha: Oh, no LDAP for that either.
[2011/11/02 15:12:22] <bpgoldsb> getent passwd doesn't produce any weird data.
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[2011/11/02 15:14:45] <martha> are you sure there are no other users with uid 0?
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[2011/11/02 15:15:47] <Volcane> bpgoldsb: the logs where puppet adds the cronjob on the node
[2011/11/02 15:15:49] <bpgoldsb> Yes. However, this is only happening on a single host, after I gave it some new cron's in it's node manifest
[2011/11/02 15:16:10] <bpgoldsb> So I'm thinking maybe it's a missing quote somewhere or some unhandled character.
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[2011/11/02 15:16:37] <martha> maybe you mixed up the user to run as and the time?
[2011/11/02 15:17:09] <bpgoldsb> Maybe, but it cascaded to crons in other modules.
[2011/11/02 15:18:36] <bpgoldsb> It's more like some content is choking up the Cron provider.
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[2011/11/02 15:19:57] <Volcane> generally you cannot change the username for a cronjob
[2011/11/02 15:20:02] <Volcane> and you have to use the username not the number
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[2011/11/02 15:20:09] <Volcane> and if you dont, you get dupes
[2011/11/02 15:20:38] <hajile> Volcane: i already use intellij (java/ruby) for work, I'm hoping to just use what I always have open anyways
[2011/11/02 15:20:41] <bpgoldsb> I'm not trying to change it. I created it as root
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[2011/11/02 15:21:02] <Volcane> hajile: sorry i tried to help.
[2011/11/02 15:21:11] <hajile> no problem, i appreciate it
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[2011/11/02 15:41:47] <multiverse> Hi, I am trying to figure out why my agent isn't doing its catalog. It says it runs, so I assume that I have a problem with it as a node. Here is how I set it up: http://pastebin.com/YezYKaCM
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[2011/11/02 15:45:16] <multiverse> I declare my node and include a module, but I don't see that the module actually does anything on the agent, though it tests out fine on the master
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[2011/11/02 15:46:27] <martha> multiverse: import "nodes" is commented out
[2011/11/02 15:46:58] <multiverse> martha: I know. When I enable it, I get strange error messages.
[2011/11/02 15:47:16] <martha> well, nothing will happen if it is commented out :-)
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[2011/11/02 15:47:52] <dwalu> I want to create 3 classes, puppet, puppet::master, and puppet:agent and make it so to install/manage the puppet agent I include puppet::agent, but I also want my puppet master to include puppet::agent, but I need to differentiate values in auth.conf. I'm blanking on the best way to do this. Should I set a value of $puppetmaster and do a conditional in the template for auth.conf to say if $hostname == $puppmaster, then insert this stuff, el
[2011/11/02 15:47:52] <dwalu> insert that stuff?
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[2011/11/02 15:49:41] <multiverse> martha: thanks
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[2011/11/02 15:51:22] <multiverse> my mate is trying it now
[2011/11/02 15:51:36] <multiverse> I have to do IRC outside the building and then email him instructions.
[2011/11/02 15:51:38] <multiverse> crazy
[2011/11/02 15:52:28] <peridot> So if I set a directory on my puppetserver as source (recursive) and want the files to retain the same mode as they have on the server, will it keep the same permissions if I just omit the mode setting, or will it default to something?
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[2011/11/02 15:54:36] <peridot> So, for example, I have executables in that directory and plain text files, but I don't want the text files to be 755, and I don't want the executables to be 644.
[2011/11/02 15:55:01] <peridot> but I also can't manage them individually
[2011/11/02 15:55:08] <multiverse> martha: Here is what happens when I uncomment that: http://pastebin.com/1bXH9Fp5
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[2011/11/02 15:56:49] <dwalu> if I have class puppet { stage => pre } in my default node, does that mean that puppet will be run without parameters before I then declare it implicitly in other nodes?
[2011/11/02 15:57:14] <dwalu> I'm trying to figure out the best way to determine if an agent is running on the puppetmaster or not, if anybody has a good trick for that I'm all ears?
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[2011/11/02 15:57:58] <martha> dwalu: make puppet::master inherit puppet::agent and override the value for the file source
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[2011/11/02 15:58:38] <Kurin> so I have a debian host, and when I run `facter` the operatingsystem variable is Ubuntu, but when I put 'notice { "os is ${operatingsystem}": }' it says the variable is set to Debian
[2011/11/02 15:58:43] <Kurin> er, an ubuntu host
[2011/11/02 15:59:07] <Kurin> this is 11.11
[2011/11/02 15:59:16] <martha> multiverse: I there is a problem inside the tomcat class, with the value for tomcat_instance, just like the message says
[2011/11/02 15:59:32] <the_ramink> dwalu: I find it simpler to have one puppet class which is for the agents. Then I have a puppetmaster class which setups Puppet running inside passenger and shares nothing other than the binary with the agent.
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[2011/11/02 16:00:07] <peridot_> Kurin: I think there is an existing bug wrt the operatingsystem fact.
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[2011/11/02 16:00:20] <dwalu> @the_ramink: so you essentially repeat everythign in your agent' class so that you don't get namespace conflicts?
[2011/11/02 16:00:23] <Kurin> peridot_: is there a way around it?
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[2011/11/02 16:00:58] <the_ramink> Kurin: yep it's a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/facter/+bug/876130
[2011/11/02 16:01:04] <multiverse> martha: strange, because it worked in the puppetmaster test area. Here is that class: http://pastebin.com/AX3tsxUe
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[2011/11/02 16:01:25] <Kurin> can I use lsbdistid instead, or will those mutate in weird ways?
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[2011/11/02 16:01:50] <dwalu> @martha I'm not too familair with inehritance. Would I have to redeclare the file statement for auth.conf inside of puppet::master then? if so that seems pretty simple
[2011/11/02 16:02:19] <martha> multiverse: you need to put a value in hiera
[2011/11/02 16:02:40] <multiverse> martha
[2011/11/02 16:02:49] <slap_stick> hey, was wondering on the scope of a define resource, if i have say class this::class { package { "this": name => package, ensure => present } define setup() { } } can i call package or anything within that class i.e. if i had a virtual inside that class could i realize it within the define ?
[2011/11/02 16:02:58] <martha> dwalu: something like this: File["$puppetconf/puppet.conf"] { content => template("puppet/puppet.conf.master") }
[2011/11/02 16:03:11] <multiverse> martha: I have hiera and data on the puppetmaster. I see none of it on the agent host.
[2011/11/02 16:03:18] <the_ramink> dwalu: not exactly. I treat them a seperate entities. Puppet agent is running locally and Puppet master is a web app. They have completely seperate configs, var dir, ssl dir, etc.
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[2011/11/02 16:03:26] <multiverse> I have pluginsync = true on both in puppet.conf
[2011/11/02 16:04:40] <multiverse> my hiera.yaml grabs the file name and in my data directory I have hostname.yaml which contains the following
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[2011/11/02 16:05:09] <dwalu> @martha I see, so doing that File line inside of my puppet::master class will just override that content setting
[2011/11/02 16:05:33] <multiverse> tomcat_instance: and then a number of value pairs.
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[2011/11/02 16:06:47] <martha> multiverse: I don't know anything about hiera, all I can tell you is that puppet is complaining that it isn't getting the var
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[2011/11/02 16:07:33] <multiverse> martha: could that be because they don't already exist on the agent host?
[2011/11/02 16:08:19] <multiverse> Also, can anyone tell me where on the filessytem can I review a cached catalog?
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[2011/11/02 16:09:46] <martha> multiverse: puppet agent --configprint statedir
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[2011/11/02 16:12:02] <slap_stick> anyone?
[2011/11/02 16:12:39] <multiverse> Sorry slap_stick, I don't know.
[2011/11/02 16:13:08] <slap_stick> oh ha. maybe i will try here another day
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[2011/11/02 16:15:02] <dwalu> @martha: does this seem reasonable to you? https://gist.github.com/1335259
[2011/11/02 16:15:04] <peridot_> Does anyone know how to keep the mode of a file as it was on the source without explicitly setting it?
[2011/11/02 16:16:36] <multiverse> marth: at the tree you gave me is a graphs dir and three yaml files.
[2011/11/02 16:16:50] <multiverse> no cached catalog
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[2011/11/02 16:19:42] <walterheck> I have a two dimensional array that I want to loop through in an erb and then access the first element of the inner array, but it's not working. Anyone can tell me what is wrong here?
[2011/11/02 16:19:50] <walterheck> <% scope.lookupvar("masters").each do |master| -%>
[2011/11/02 16:19:50] <walterheck> <host <%= master.at(0) %>>
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[2011/11/02 16:21:03] <multiverse> Do I have to have hiera installed on the agent host?
[2011/11/02 16:21:19] <multiverse> or does pluginsync do that for me?
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[2011/11/02 16:23:59] <multiverse> Looking at the list of gems on the master and it is different than the gems installed on the agent.
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[2011/11/02 16:26:05] <selenamarie> is there a method in Puppet::Node or similar to clean up the .yaml that's stashed in $varlib/node?
[2011/11/02 16:26:11] <multiverse> martha: gem comparison - http://pastebin.com/ZatGTrcP - did I forget to install gems on the agent host?
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[2011/11/02 16:30:37] <jpalmer> anyone have a puppet module for installing/maintaining dell OSMA on rhel or a rebuild?
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[2011/11/02 16:36:57] <multiverse> Which gems are required by the puppet enterprise agent 1.2.4 on Solaris?
[2011/11/02 16:38:18] <selenamarie> clean is what i was looking for!
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[2011/11/02 16:56:08] <martha> dwalu:   file { '/etc/puppet/agent.conf': needs to be changed to File['/etc/puppet/auth.conf'] {
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[2011/11/02 17:21:08] <dwalu> @martha worked perfectly, thanks!
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[2011/11/02 17:52:30] <rhysmorgan1> Does anyone have any experience with dynamically generating manifests?
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[2011/11/02 17:57:14] <macs> hello puppeteers, a q. for you, say I have a variable like $region='uk' in a node definition and I have an hash in site.pp that reads: $var_hash = { master => { 'uk' => ['server1', 'server2'] } } I am trying to pull out the array on a template....
[2011/11/02 17:58:02] <macs> I can do that if I do <% @var_hash['masters']['uk'].each do |master| -%>
[2011/11/02 17:58:12] <macs> how can I pass region?
[2011/11/02 17:58:37] <macs> <% @var_hash['masters'][region].each do |master| -%> is not good
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[2011/11/02 17:59:28] <jorhett> Hi James, I'm on here now regarding 2.6.12 failing over and not restarting
[2011/11/02 17:59:33] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: hi
[2011/11/02 17:59:41] <jorhett> willing to share with others most details if that's okay with everyone
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[2011/11/02 18:00:23] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: first on your other ticket - have you used the dashboard? Because I am also not sure how scalable/usable show_diff is in reports
[2011/11/02 18:00:47] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: but i also updated the other ticket with a request for some log data
[2011/11/02 18:00:51] <jorhett> no, we have to upgrade ruby first to try out the dashboard so that's a shelf we have to jump first
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[2011/11/02 18:01:31] <jorhett> to answer your question: no — the problem never appears interactively.
[2011/11/02 18:01:54] <jorhett> It only appears when puppet is trying to start itself up to run non-interactively (on schedule)
[2011/11/02 18:02:16] <jorhett> I can run with verbose and trace to my heart's content, no problems.
[2011/11/02 18:02:28] <jorhett> But /var/log/messages won't contain anything other than my hand-run ones
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[2011/11/02 18:04:20] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: okay - I can't see anything glaring in your strace
[2011/11/02 18:04:21] <jorhett> here's the last 7 lines in /var/log/messages (we have log set to syslog obviously) for the host I sent you the strace output from. This shows my hand run an hour ago, and no followup by the daemon.
[2011/11/02 18:04:24] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:19 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[6625]: Caching catalog for us0101acm017.tangome.gbl
[2011/11/02 18:04:24] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:22 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[6625]: Applying configuration version '1320278654'
[2011/11/02 18:04:24] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:45 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[7225]: Reopening log files
[2011/11/02 18:04:24] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:45 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[6625]: (/Stage[main]/Puppet/Service[puppet]/ensure) ensure changed 'stopped' to 'running'
[2011/11/02 18:04:24] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:45 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[7225]: Starting Puppet client version 2.6.12
[2011/11/02 18:04:25] <jorhett> Nov 3 00:04:45 us0101acm017 puppet-agent[6625]: Finished catalog run in 24.82 seconds
[2011/11/02 18:04:52] <jorhett> To get this output, I ran on the command line "/etc/init.d/puppet stop ; puppet agent —test ; tail -f /var/log/messages"
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[2011/11/02 18:05:11] <jorhett> no new lines were added. The puppet agent never tried to run again.
[2011/11/02 18:05:23] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: I don't see why that agent would be different - same oS/Ruby/platform
[2011/11/02 18:05:25] <jamesturnbull> ?
[2011/11/02 18:05:40] <jorhett> $ ps auwx |grep puppet
[2011/11/02 18:05:40] <jorhett> root 7225 0.0 0.4 134240 41308 ? Ssl 00:04 0:00 /usr/bin/ruby /usr/sbin/puppetd --server=puppetmaster.tangome.gbl --logdest=syslog --listen
[2011/11/02 18:06:02] <jorhett> james: huh?
[2011/11/02 18:06:40] <jorhett> I don't know what about "different" matters… the issue is that this was an hour ago, and puppet should have run twice between now and then. It created /var/lib/puppet/state/puppetdlock but never ran.
[2011/11/02 18:06:42] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: is it the same OS/Ruby version and platform as all your other agents? Ie. is there a common factor between the agents thast are playing up versus the agents that work
[2011/11/02 18:06:57] <jorhett> exact same RPM on every single system.
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[2011/11/02 18:07:10] <jorhett> there is a mix of centos 5.5 through 5.7 at play
[2011/11/02 18:07:48] <jorhett> but all of the puppet dependancies are identical: ruby, facter, etc are all the same versions
[2011/11/02 18:08:18] <jorhett> from the same rpm file, from our internal repository. which in the case of puppet stuff was often copied down from yum.puppetlabs.com
[2011/11/02 18:08:49] <jorhett> yeah, sorry, should have mentioned that. We didn't compile — these are puppetlabs.com provided RPMs
[2011/11/02 18:09:28] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: what's in puppetdlock on those systems?
[2011/11/02 18:09:41] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: the PID of the process, another PID, nothing?
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[2011/11/02 18:10:27] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: also have a look at #2888 - could be related?
[2011/11/02 18:10:27] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: jorhett: #2888 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/2888 "Puppet - Bug #2888: puppetd doesn't always cleanup lockfile properly. It has a status of Accepted and is assigned to -"
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[2011/11/02 18:12:34] <jorhett> sorry, got grabbed. I'm looking now.
[2011/11/02 18:13:09] <rhysmorgan1> Does anyone know of a faces module that can interface with vCentre/vCO for provisioning the same way the ec2 could toolkit does?
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[2011/11/02 18:13:45] <jorhett> james: it has the pid of the active daemon that I showed you above — 7225
[2011/11/02 18:13:53] <jorhett> puppetdlock that is
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[2011/11/02 18:14:32] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: there's one in Puppet Enterprise
[2011/11/02 18:14:47] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: okay I am also thinking #5139 may be in play
[2011/11/02 18:14:47] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: jorhett: #5139 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/5139 "Puppet - Bug #5139: puppetdlock file can be empty. It has a status of Accepted and is assigned to -"
[2011/11/02 18:14:55] <jorhett> which means that it was the client started at the end of the manual puppet run, not the pid of the manual puppet run
[2011/11/02 18:15:00] <rhysmorgan1> 1.1 or 2.0?
[2011/11/02 18:15:09] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: 2.0
[2011/11/02 18:15:19] <rhysmorgan1> Is there a release date for that yet?
[2011/11/02 18:15:30] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: part of Cloud Provisioner - I believe it's 11/14
[2011/11/02 18:15:46] <rhysmorgan1> Are there any lans fr n early release to partners?
[2011/11/02 18:15:54] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: ping Sales
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[2011/11/02 18:16:28] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: yeah I am thinking something is wrong in the PidLock code - which is kind of shit anyway - but I just don't see how .12 would have caused it
[2011/11/02 18:16:46] <rhysmorgan1> Will do, thanks
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[2011/11/02 18:17:58] <rhysmorgan1> Coincidentally jamesturnbull when/are you planning on updating your book series to include the new features (read: windows)
[2011/11/02 18:18:38] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: never?
[2011/11/02 18:19:01] <jamesturnbull> rhysmorgan1: not sure we'll write a 3rd edition - I am semi-retired some writing
[2011/11/02 18:19:07] <jamesturnbull> s/some/from/
[2011/11/02 18:19:24] <jorhett> I have witnessed some evidence that this have been around longer than .12. I've found a number of systems that are months behind. It seems to have only hit our nagios dashboard in large number recently.
[2011/11/02 18:19:27] <rhysmorgan1> Presumptuous of me I know :)
[2011/11/02 18:19:57] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: okay - well that's good to know - because I was worried it was a regression
[2011/11/02 18:20:26] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: I am pretty sure your issue is one/both of the two tickets I've just cited.
[2011/11/02 18:23:11] <jorhett> james: thing that changed — we broke 500 hosts in the deployment. The only thing which changed at the same time as the upgrade is that we added another 100 hosts.
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[2011/11/02 18:24:03] <jorhett> s/broke/went over a total of/
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[2011/11/02 18:27:00] <jorhett> so riddle me this. puppet daemon starts a run. it creates a puppetdlock… and then does what before logging that it is starting a run? Because the bug has to be there.
[2011/11/02 18:27:38] <jorhett> james: I just checked 20 hosts which are current hung, and none of them had a zero length lock file
[2011/11/02 18:27:50] <jorhett> #5139 doesn't apply to what we are seeing
[2011/11/02 18:27:50] <gepetto> jorhett: #5139 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/5139 "Puppet - Bug #5139: puppetdlock file can be empty. It has a status of Accepted and is assigned to -"
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[2011/11/02 18:34:58] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: there's more to that ticket than the zero length
[2011/11/02 18:35:18] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: there's a cluster of four/five tickets with issues with the pidlock code
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[2011/11/02 18:45:15] <jorhett> james turnbull: you are right, I overlooked the commentary farther down in #5139. That seems to be exactly the issue.
[2011/11/02 18:45:15] <gepetto> jorhett: #5139 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/5139 "Puppet - Bug #5139: puppetdlock file can be empty. It has a status of Accepted and is assigned to -"
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[2011/11/02 18:56:30] <rhysmorgan1> Is there any recent documentation around best practices for scalability ~2.7.6
[2011/11/02 18:59:35] <jorhett> jamesturnbull: got another strace for you, showing "puppet agent —enable" failing to work on our system. This might explain the failure?
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[2011/11/02 19:02:29] <jorhett> I added it to the ticket
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[2011/11/02 19:04:24] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: thanks I'll take a look tomorrow - I am out for the evening
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[2011/11/02 19:05:38] <jorhett> okay, thanks!
[2011/11/02 19:05:57] <jamesturnbull> jorhett: it'll explain the failure though
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[2011/11/02 19:08:41] <jorhett> jamesturnbull: I highly suspect that #4681 is related. We have nearly a thousand execs at this point. Most only run a few hours of the day, but that is the same time that most agents fall off...
[2011/11/02 19:08:41] <gepetto> jorhett: jamesturnbull: #4681 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/4681 "Puppet - Bug #4681: Puppet 2.6.1.r2 randomly hangs on Exec in FreeBSD. It has a status of Rejected and is assigned to Markus Roberts"
[2011/11/02 19:11:21] <mendez> lol @ randomly
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[2011/11/02 19:21:49] <jorhett> does anyone know if a ruby 1.8.7 for el5 is available anywhere?
[2011/11/02 19:22:00] <jorhett> this would be a great thing for puppetlabs to provide
[2011/11/02 19:23:48] <mendez> el5?
[2011/11/02 19:25:18] <jorhett> redhat/centos/scientific/etc enterprise linux 5
[2011/11/02 19:28:32] <mendez> ah! gentoo dweeb so yeah... :P
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[2011/11/02 19:45:21] <the_ramink> jorhett: you can install enterprise ruby 1.8.7 along side your current 1.8.5 IIRC.
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[2011/11/02 20:22:19] <kelseyhightower> lusis: ping
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[2011/11/02 21:09:56] <bgupta> jamesturnbull: You around?
[2011/11/02 21:10:19] <jamesturnbull> bgupta: briefly
[2011/11/02 21:10:30] <bgupta> mind if I PM?
[2011/11/02 21:10:45] <jamesturnbull> bgupta: sure
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[2011/11/02 21:28:25] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen kelseyhightower
[2011/11/02 21:28:25] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: kelseyhightower was last seen 47 minutes and 39 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Quit: kelseyhightower) and a while before saying "lusis: ping" in #puppet
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[2011/11/02 23:27:45] <DSpair> Hi all, need some help with a puppet manifest issue...
[2011/11/02 23:28:32] <DSpair> I am managing the snmpd service via puppet and the service type I am using defines "hasstatus=>false, status=>"ps ax | grep -v grep | grep status""
[2011/11/02 23:29:02] <DSpair> Problem is, even with that set, the puppet agent running in debug shows that it is still using the status command from the init script...
[2011/11/02 23:31:44] <blahdeblah> Hi. Is there a way to force puppet to install a package without checking the signature, other than turning off gpgcheck for the entire repo? I can't see anything in the package section of the type reference...
[2011/11/02 23:32:35] <blahdeblah> DSpair: doesn't the status command have to be an executable rather than a shell command? I would try putting it inside /bin/sh -c '...' and see if that works.
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[2011/11/02 23:35:13] <DSpair> blahdeblah: I use similar status checks successfully elsewhere... As for disabling signature verification, there is no way to do it from puppet without disabling gpgcheck.
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[2011/11/02 23:38:20] <DSpair> blahdeblah: Beyond that, the "hasstatus=>false" should not allow it to use the init script to check status, right?
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[2011/11/02 23:39:18] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: puppet version?
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[2011/11/02 23:39:25] <DSpair> 2.7.6
[2011/11/02 23:39:25] <blahdeblah> DSpair: that's my understanding - i have only used hasstatus once or twice, though. Sounds like either you have found a bug in the puppet agent, or your manifest has another problem that is preventing it from getting to that hasstatus=>false.
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[2011/11/02 23:40:46] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: what happens if you run it without status ?
[2011/11/02 23:40:50] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: I added it to an existing issue on RedMine which matched my symptoms: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/9798
[2011/11/02 23:41:04] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: I check
[2011/11/02 23:42:22] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: Same result
[2011/11/02 23:42:37] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: have you tried the status command suggested as the work-around in that ticket?
[2011/11/02 23:42:59] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: Not that one specifically.
[2011/11/02 23:43:05] <DSpair> I have tried several others.
[2011/11/02 23:43:16] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: can you try that one please? thanks
[2011/11/02 23:43:30] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: Working on it.
[2011/11/02 23:43:45] <DSpair> But even if that works, it doesn't explain why the others do not work...
[2011/11/02 23:44:55] <blahdeblah> Does anyone have any suggestions for managing yumrepo definitions for those repos which provide a release file to automatically manage the repo file? e.g. EPEL and RepoForge? I'm getting myself into puppet dependency hell trying to work around the ickyness.
[2011/11/02 23:45:12] <blahdeblah> It's complicated by the fact that i need EPEL enabled in order to even install puppet.
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[2011/11/02 23:45:59] <DSpair> blahdeblah: I use EPEL just fine...
[2011/11/02 23:46:09] <DSpair> I use the "yumrepo" type to define it.
[2011/11/02 23:46:22] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: Same result.
[2011/11/02 23:46:35] <blahdeblah> DSpair: So you overwrite their repo definition? Or do you simply not install the epel-release package?
[2011/11/02 23:46:46] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: NVM, I'm brain dead!!!
[2011/11/02 23:46:51] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: what exit code does - /etc/init.d/snmpd status | grep "snmpd is running" - produce?
[2011/11/02 23:46:58] <jamesturnbull> DSpair: oh?
[2011/11/02 23:47:10] <DSpair> jamesturnbull: I was editing a section inside of a conditional which limited it to CentOS and I was testing on Debian!!!! DUH!!!!
[2011/11/02 23:47:18] <jamesturnbull> heh
[2011/11/02 23:47:26] <blahdeblah> DSpair: dontcha hate that? :-)
[2011/11/02 23:47:28] <DSpair> Let me go and close that ticket again!!!
[2011/11/02 23:48:26] <blahdeblah> So, any other suggestions about the yumrepo vs. epel-release dilemma?
[2011/11/02 23:49:55] <DSpair> blahdeblah: I do not install the epel-release package.
[2011/11/02 23:50:21] <DSpair> Finally!!! No more spurious changes logged.
[2011/11/02 23:50:25] <DSpair> exit
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[2011/11/02 23:51:01] <blahdeblah> DSpair: I really don't like that solution, because the epel-release package is there to serve out their repo files and GPG keys, and so i'd rather use what they prefer...
[2011/11/02 23:51:06] <DSpair> Now to go back and rewite that manifest to be MUCH clearer.
[2011/11/02 23:51:19] <DSpair> blahdeblah: Understandable.
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[2011/11/02 23:52:12] <blahdeblah> I'm actually leaning towards removing most of the attributes on my yumrepo definition, and requiring that the epel-release and repoforge-release RPMs be installed before/with puppet during the bootstrap process.
[2011/11/02 23:52:44] <blahdeblah> And then making the yumrepo dependent upon the package
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[2011/11/02 23:54:08] <DSpair> OK, here's a question... On some of my machines, the "operatingsystem" fact appears to be differing upper/lower case... How can I account for that in my manifests without having to write CRAZY if statements with long lines?
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