Sunday, 2011-12-04

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[2011/12/04 01:32:30] <d3c> I'm looking to deploy custom nginx rewrite rules to my web servers. I'll be generating the rewrite rules (plain file) based on DB content. then I want to deploy this file to my web servers. should I include this file in puppet or should I distribute it via mcollective or maybe something else?
[2011/12/04 01:33:43] <ohadlevy> d3c: how often do they change?
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[2011/12/04 01:35:50] <d3c> ohadlevy: quite often. maybe I should write an agent that fetches the rules from my monitor/puppetmaster on request?
[2011/12/04 01:36:17] <ohadlevy> d3c: if its something that needs to be done at once on many web servers, that not sure if I would do it with puppet
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[2011/12/04 01:39:15] <d3c> ohadlevy: will write a mcollective agent and application then. doesn't that sound like a good idea? then I can run the rewrite rule generator script on the puppetmaster and deploy it to web servers via the mcollective agent+app.
[2011/12/04 01:40:06] <ohadlevy> d3c: both are fine, the only question is if you need to orchestrate it all very quickly or not?
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[2011/12/04 01:41:26] <d3c> ohadlevy: I do. actually this would have to fit in with my normal deployment routine where I (1) ship a build (.tar.gz) to web servers and let them prepare it as a new release. then when all web servers returned with no errors, I (2) release it (symlink release to current dir which nginx is pointing at). just like capistrano.
[2011/12/04 01:47:04] <d3c> ohadlevy: or maybe I should include the rewrite generation script in the active release on web servers. then write an agent+app that will actually run this on web servers. I think that's better.
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[2011/12/04 07:22:21] <hugalua> good morning puppet is awesome.
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[2011/12/04 09:02:47] <cwarden> is there a recommended way of ensuring that a record exists in a (mysql) database? something higher level than exec?
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[2011/12/04 09:04:56] <Dominic> cwarden: I would look at forge.puppetlabs.com as there are some MySQL modules that automate things like users, some might contain a resource type for a record or generic SQL execution too.
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[2011/12/04 09:10:47] <cwarden> thanks, Dominic. ghoneycutt's puppet-mysql module with a mysql::do resource type will probably suffice. was hoping there was something that handled parameterized queries.
[2011/12/04 09:11:59] <Dominic> looks like it supports a "content" param as well as source, so you could use a template
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[2011/12/04 09:25:03] <kjetilho> cwarden: exactly what kind of record? and what should Puppet do about it?
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[2011/12/04 09:33:27] <ciao> ciao
[2011/12/04 09:33:31] <ciao> !list
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[2011/12/04 10:14:48] <cwarden> kjetilho: it's a record that describes a data source for an application. it contains a name of the data source, a jdbc driver name and url, and credentials.
[2011/12/04 10:17:31] <cwarden> puppet could either always run a REPLACE query (the data source name is the primary key) or do a SELECT, then INSERT or UPDATE.
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[2011/12/04 10:30:21] <cwarden> i'd like to add mysql::record resources that look something like this: https://gist.github.com/1430903
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[2011/12/04 12:13:29] <ashp_> Alright! Back to troubleshooting why storeconfigs doesn't work at all :(
[2011/12/04 12:14:10] <ashp_> ha, how weird, after I gave up at some point it managed to make a resources table and nothing else
[2011/12/04 12:14:13] <ashp_> that's new and weird
[2011/12/04 12:14:52] <ashp_> Doesn't help that since I moved to passenger 3.0.11 it always tells me that passenger isn't running :(
[2011/12/04 12:15:36] <ashp_> err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Mysql::Error: Table 'puppet.hosts' doesn't exist: SHOW FIELDS FROM `hosts`
[2011/12/04 12:15:40] <ashp_> Well, it's a start..
[2011/12/04 12:20:02] <ashp_> So I changed NOTHING since last night and now it works
[2011/12/04 12:20:05] <ashp_> i hate computers
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[2011/12/04 12:44:27] <Callek> ok, I'm having an issue, and hoping this is possible or if I'm doing something else wrong
[2011/12/04 12:44:28] <Callek> http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1392020
[2011/12/04 12:44:42] <Callek> its a simple (manually typed) testcase of what I'm doing
[2011/12/04 12:44:55] <Callek> should this use of class inheritance work?
[2011/12/04 12:45:14] <Callek> (using puppet 2.7.6, req is that it works on 2.7.1 at present)
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[2011/12/04 12:48:36] <d3c> I'm trying to have exec resource B run after A. however, B should be allowed to run if A doesn't run due to a 'creates' param. it's only that in case A will run, it should run before B. B should always run. is this possible without using run stages?
[2011/12/04 12:49:15] <Callek> d3c: you want requires not notifies
[2011/12/04 12:49:24] <Callek> A -> B
[2011/12/04 12:49:38] <Callek> or B { foo: requires => A }
[2011/12/04 12:49:58] <d3c> Callek: adding 'before B' to A means that B won't run when A's 'creates' is satisfied (that's at least the behaviour in 2.7.6 I think
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[2011/12/04 12:51:05] <Callek> d3c: that syntax (from my testing/experience) means that "puppet manages resources A and B", "A may already be present on system which we can tell because it has a creates=> param"
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[2011/12/04 12:51:18] <Callek> "If we have to run/create A, it MUST be done before B"
[2011/12/04 12:51:25] <Callek> but B will still run
[2011/12/04 12:51:27] <Callek> aiui
[2011/12/04 12:54:44] <d3c> Callek: hm, ok. will do some further testing to get it right. thanks
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[2011/12/04 13:29:54] <d3c> isn't it completely valid to use a conditional like this for notify? http://pastebin.com/U60rkSsL
[2011/12/04 13:31:01] <Callek> d3c: why not just use subscribe => on the other items?
[2011/12/04 13:31:17] <Callek> or just use a conditional with the subscribe/notify operators
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[2011/12/04 13:32:43] <d3c> Callek: well, can mcollective::service subscribe to all mcollective::agent ?
[2011/12/04 13:33:04] <Callek> File['/etc/ntp.conf'] ~> Service['ntpd']
[2011/12/04 13:33:46] <d3c> Callek: no, I mean: I have lots of mcollective::agent::x classes and I don't necessarily known which ones will be included
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[2011/12/04 13:34:34] <Callek> perhaps add a tag? and then use Class<\| tag \|> ~> foo type thing
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[2011/12/04 13:38:04] <d3c> Callek: tagging might work. then just tag as mcollective::agent and do Class['::mcollective::service'] ~> Class<\| mcollective::agent \|> ?
[2011/12/04 13:39:53] <Callek> thats my theory, but I'm not sure, (not really used to using tag yet, I was previously using 0.24 in my environ, reading through "Pro Puppet" and learning again so I can bring the environ up to date and redeploy
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[2011/12/04 13:41:03] <d3c> Callek: will try it though. thanks
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[2011/12/04 13:50:49] <d3c> Callek: seems like this isn't valid syntax: before => [ Class['::mcollective::config'], Class<\| ::mcollective::agent \|> ]
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[2011/12/04 13:56:24] <Callek> the Class<\| \|> stuff is required to be done with the operator-ordering stuff, iirc
[2011/12/04 13:56:50] <Callek> such that you would do Class<\| ... \|> ~> or -> and then Whatever[...]
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[2011/12/04 13:59:41] <jforman> might someone help me with this if statement inside a package? http://pastebin.com/Hr4Qp450 << i'm not quite sure what the error message is telling me i am doing incorrectly
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[2011/12/04 14:03:21] <Callek> jforman: can't stuff an if inside a resource declaration
[2011/12/04 14:03:27] <Callek> jforman: two solutions
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[2011/12/04 14:05:37] <Callek> jforman: use the if earlier and reference a manually set variable inside there
[2011/12/04 14:05:51] <Callek> or use the (foo)?bar:baz conditional syntax
[2011/12/04 14:07:28] <jforman> Callek: i will dig into that. thanks, obviously still learning the syntax
[2011/12/04 14:07:38] <Callek> jforman: no problem :-)
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[2011/12/04 14:11:20] <jforman> Callek: do you have an example of that second suggestion?
[2011/12/04 14:12:03] <Callek> source => ($operatingsystem == "OpenBSD") ? "http://openbsd.mirrors.tds.net/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/amd64/" : "";
[2011/12/04 14:12:25] <Callek> (note I can't recall if source=> works fine with "" rather than a undef type of keyword)
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[2011/12/04 14:14:22] <jforman> nod yeah. anything is farther than what i've got now. and all i can find are bug reports on specifying an openbsd package source, but no "here's how to do it" example
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[2011/12/04 14:17:34] <Callek> jforman: ooo actually, I think doing source=> actually wants a real file to find, but i'm not an openBSD guy
[2011/12/04 14:17:49] <Callek> I'm primarily a windows user, and I do know cent/rh for management stuff
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[2011/12/04 14:18:21] <Callek> what provider => are you using? (if you know)
[2011/12/04 14:18:37] <jforman> i believe the provider is the default, no specified special case
[2011/12/04 14:18:55] <jforman> so, pkg_add, pkg_del etc
[2011/12/04 14:19:11] <Dominic> the openbsd provider looks like it'll accept either a path which'll be put in the PKG_PATH env variable, else given straight to pkg_add
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[2011/12/04 14:20:13] <limed> jforman: why not something like this? http://pastebin.com/TZxGqtK8
[2011/12/04 14:20:22] <jforman> limed: hah, hey!
[2011/12/04 14:20:39] <limed> jforman: ello
[2011/12/04 14:20:58] <limed> jforman: for stuff like different sources i usually have a params class ala example42
[2011/12/04 14:21:16] <jforman> hah, it looks like i'm on the right track...i saw this briefly in the ps output, /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/pkg_add http://openbsd.mirrors.tds.net/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/amd64/
[2011/12/04 14:21:27] <jforman> so source is definitely the entire path to the file as Dominic suggested
[2011/12/04 14:22:00] <Callek> jforman: actually I think I just googled you a wonderful answer
[2011/12/04 14:22:42] <Callek> err nevermind misread the page I was one
[2011/12/04 14:22:45] <Callek> s/one/on/
[2011/12/04 14:23:27] <jforman> yup, specifying source => entire URL of the remote package works. even pulls in dependencies
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[2011/12/04 14:23:54] <jforman> limed: yeah, i want to test out your way, its much less repetitive than mine
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[2011/12/04 14:24:55] <limed> jforman: heh
[2011/12/04 14:25:13] <Dominic> jforman: do raise a bug, as each provider can have documentation associated with it. If it's unclear what should be in a resource param for the openbsd provider then it should be documented. (e.g. http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/type.html#package under "provider").
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[2011/12/04 14:26:11] <jforman> Dominic: will do that, i will gather some more information and post
[2011/12/04 14:26:16] <Dominic> thanks
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[2011/12/04 15:08:40] <d3c> I'm experiencing something rather strange: when I setup a package to notify a class and set another file - that depends on the package - to also notify the class, nothing happens. any ideas why? classes are here: http://pastebin.com/Yn5UK2Un <- it's mcollective::reload that doesn't run.
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[2011/12/04 15:10:18] <d3c> if I remove notify from the file, it works.
[2011/12/04 15:12:16] <d3c> it's the same story everytime I run the manifest: if the dependant file also notifies mcollective::reload, it won't reload. if the dependant file doesn't notify mcollective::reload, it will reload. what could be wrong?
[2011/12/04 15:13:17] <d3c> spend hours tracking down this issue but I can't figure out why it behaves like that.
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[2011/12/04 17:28:40] <jorhett> d3c: I don't think classes have a defined behavior when notified. You can notify services, which restart, and execs I think...
[2011/12/04 17:29:09] <whack> jorhett: you can notify classes :)
[2011/12/04 17:29:19] <jorhett> what does it do?
[2011/12/04 17:29:21] <whack> the result is that anything notifiable in that class is notified
[2011/12/04 17:30:12] <jorhett> nice if they would document that ;-) (hardly the first...)
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[2011/12/04 17:34:04] <Callek> soooo, use-case, I have a settings.pp, which is a class settings {} with nothing but variables inside it
[2011/12/04 17:34:15] <Callek> the list of variables is expected to get rather large (over time)
[2011/12/04 17:35:10] <Callek> I want to have the ABILITY to override individual settings for a few different puppetmaster deployments, so was thinking of a local-settings.pp that I symlink into place on the master itself (so I store everything in Mercurial)
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[2011/12/04 17:36:49] <Callek> and I do not want to have to repeat the whole list of setting vars or convolute the settings class with lots of \|($foo)?$foo:"default"\|
[2011/12/04 17:37:04] <Callek> (since the latter can be easily typo'd to be broken)
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[2011/12/04 17:37:44] <Callek> are there ANY solutions to my use case the lot of you can imagine?
[2011/12/04 17:39:01] <Callek> class foo inherits bar {} does not inherit variables :(
[2011/12/04 17:39:05] <jorhett> haven't heard a problem yet for which to supply a solution
[2011/12/04 17:40:00] <Callek> jorhett: basically throughout all my modules I want to be able to reference ${settings::foo_setting}
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[2011/12/04 17:40:20] <Callek> I want to be able to have a canonical list of useful defaults for all those settings
[2011/12/04 17:40:56] <Callek> I also want to be able to have a list of specific overrides for a variety of puppet masters (different network restrictions/ and slightly different environments) but with the same overall configuration goals
[2011/12/04 17:41:52] <Callek> so was looking for a way to be able to reference everything in a simple way, but have a local-overrides of those defaults that on each master I could symlink into place the appropriate override .pp
[2011/12/04 17:41:59] <Callek> does my use-case make sense?
[2011/12/04 17:42:24] <nevyn> Callek: can't you just template the puppetmaster config file and run it from a puppetmaster of puppetmasters?
[2011/12/04 17:43:06] <Callek> neyu: not for this case, there are strict access control network blocks in place
[2011/12/04 17:43:15] <Callek> which is why we need separate puppet masters entirely
[2011/12/04 17:43:48] <Callek> and why we can't have some of these urls stay the same, because of those network restrictions
[2011/12/04 17:44:04] <jorhett> Callek: you still haven't described what's not working for you. I'll venture that you want the external lookup that's now part of puppet
[2011/12/04 17:44:05] <Callek> but the node names would be shared/useable depending on which network they get installed into
[2011/12/04 17:44:23] <Callek> jorhett: ENC is a different beast
[2011/12/04 17:44:49] <Callek> jorhett: whats not working is quite literally every solution I've tried
[2011/12/04 17:45:25] <Callek> jorhett: one solution I've tried is like the xample at: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1392077
[2011/12/04 17:46:27] <Callek> jorhett: I've also tried: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1392020
[2011/12/04 17:47:36] <Callek> jorhett: you can't _re_ set variables either, and thus there is no $bar ?= "default" ability ;-)
[2011/12/04 17:47:46] <Callek> (like you might see in a GNUMakefile)
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[2011/12/04 17:51:01] <Callek> jorhett: aiui extlookup() is simply about stuff for resources not variables and I can't use it toward variables.
[2011/12/04 17:51:04] <Callek> am I right?
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[2011/12/04 17:52:49] <Callek> jorhett: oooo actually I'm looking again, and this might actually work :-)
[2011/12/04 17:52:57] <Callek> jorhett++
[2011/12/04 17:53:05] <Callek> (at least early karma if it does work for me)
[2011/12/04 17:55:23] <whack> you could also use extlookup or hiera for what you're doing
[2011/12/04 17:56:02] <jorhett> Callek: extlookup is what I meant
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[2011/12/04 18:20:00] <jbstlmo> I am getting email messages from all my PE2.0 clients randomly about "`rbuf_fill': execution expired", is anyone else experiencing this?
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[2011/12/04 18:28:04] <Callek> jorhett: sooo I'm missing a puzzle piece here with a file structure (under revision control) of \|manifests/{site.pp,settings.pp,nodes.pp}\| and a dir \|manifests/local-settings/\| which I want to store my .csv's for extlookup, where and how do I specify the config stuff for extlookup (I'm thinking relative-dir specify here if possible)
[2011/12/04 18:28:19] <Callek> jorhett: the docs I see all says to add the variables into site.pp
[2011/12/04 18:28:42] <Callek> but when I run puppet apply --noop I'm getting failure (well warnings first) about that
[2011/12/04 18:29:00] <jforman> i'm reading up about variable scoping in puppet and just hit the deprecation message about dynamic lookup of variables. so how can i specify something in a specific node and have that variable show up in a templated file?
[2011/12/04 18:29:25] <limed> jforman: use parameterized class
[2011/12/04 18:29:44] <jforman> limed: damn you, with all the answers
[2011/12/04 18:29:51] <limed> jforman: /flex
[2011/12/04 18:30:05] <limed> you know whats funny i havent even deployed puppet at my work place :P
[2011/12/04 18:30:28] <jforman> heh, i'm learning and playing around with it at home myself. thankfully i'm not on the team at work that deals with it
[2011/12/04 18:31:22] <limed> its kinda fun
[2011/12/04 18:33:59] * Callek will accept help on that Q from limed if he knows as well
[2011/12/04 18:34:29] <limed> Callek: no sir i have not used extlookup
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[2011/12/04 18:35:07] <Callek> darn
[2011/12/04 18:37:22] <limed> Callek: sorry :(
[2011/12/04 18:37:57] <Callek> my current diff where I'm trying this
[2011/12/04 18:37:59] <Callek> http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1392323
[2011/12/04 18:38:23] <Callek> (note the previous was not necessarily working either, this is a diff on my VM, which is based against the last locally-created MQ patch)
[2011/12/04 18:38:40] <Callek> (but it sure is obvious the current is the cause for this error)'
[2011/12/04 18:39:20] <limed> man i dont even know what you are trying to do here heh
[2011/12/04 18:41:25] <Callek> hrm, looking at this, my theory is that extlookup won't work at the level I am wanting it to, and would ONLY work in the modules themselves :(
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[2011/12/04 18:47:15] <jforman> limed: wow, after some head scratching, parameterized classes ftw... thanks to this http://serverfault.com/a/240853
[2011/12/04 18:47:46] <limed> jforman: yeah its totally awesome
[2011/12/04 18:48:43] <limed> jforman: only works with 2.6 and above :)
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[2011/12/04 18:48:56] <jforman> limed: yeah, i'm working with 2.7.1 at minimum
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[2011/12/04 18:51:59] <limed> jforman: ah ok
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[2011/12/04 19:14:28] <Callek> sooooo simplified example of the error I got with extlookup() http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1392338
[2011/12/04 19:19:07] <djmitche> and corresponding bug: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/11158
[2011/12/04 19:20:49] <Callek> thanks :-)
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[2011/12/04 19:33:46] <facelessfingers> ello all
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[2011/12/04 19:34:15] <facelessfingers> where all the nerds at/
[2011/12/04 19:34:16] <facelessfingers> ?
[2011/12/04 19:34:37] <supplicant> getting rich in some other channel
[2011/12/04 19:34:45] <facelessfingers> lol
[2011/12/04 19:35:09] <Callek> facelessfingers: waiting on the movies to restart the "Revenge Of the Nerds" series
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[2011/12/04 19:35:18] <Callek> over time any hit movie will get a new remake
[2011/12/04 19:35:22] <Callek> Planet of the Apes did
[2011/12/04 19:35:25] <Callek> etc. etc. etc.
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[2011/12/04 19:36:38] <facelessfingers> what do people do here?
[2011/12/04 19:36:49] <facelessfingers> like really I'm a mIRC virgin
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[2011/12/04 19:38:07] <facelessfingers> is there like a room for poker players bc that would be cool
[2011/12/04 19:38:35] <bob2> ...
[2011/12/04 19:38:54] <facelessfingers> newbie here trying to navigate the underworld
[2011/12/04 19:39:18] <facelessfingers> killing time was so much easier when i was young and it went slow
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[2011/12/04 19:49:47] <wizard_2> Am I missing something or is there no native hard link support?
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[2011/12/04 19:53:02] <Callek> wizard_2: I'm bad at the differences between hard and softlinks, but there is ensure=>link on file resources
[2011/12/04 19:53:22] <limed> that only does softlink
[2011/12/04 19:53:34] <djmitche> softlink = symlink
[2011/12/04 19:53:35] <wizard_2> soft links are pointers to files, and hard links share the same inode
[2011/12/04 19:54:21] <Callek> wizard_2: ahhh you have no idea how much that enlightened me just now :-)
[2011/12/04 19:54:23] <Callek> thanks
[2011/12/04 19:54:45] <Callek> but failing that the only thing I know of internal that would work is an exec {} to do the hardlink when/where you need it
[2011/12/04 19:55:00] <Callek> can do a creates=>"" I suspect to only run it once
[2011/12/04 19:55:46] <wizard_2> Callek: that was my backup idea
[2011/12/04 19:55:49] <Callek> I have no idea whatsoever how well puppet would treat managing the actual resource of either end of the hardlink though.
[2011/12/04 19:58:43] <djmitche> Callek: puppet wouldn't be able to edit that link, though
[2011/12/04 19:58:53] <djmitche> iow if you changed the link target, puppet wouldn't know it
[2011/12/04 19:59:23] <Callek> djmitche: yea I was meaning, if puppet managed the link target, it wouldn't correlate that to a manage of the link itself (if it even tried)
[2011/12/04 19:59:57] <djmitche> right
[2011/12/04 20:00:16] <djmitche> you'd basically be ensuring that there was a file of that name, and that if it didn't exist it was made a hardlink to something else
[2011/12/04 20:02:27] <djmitche> unrelated: I'm trying to set up a way to automatically turn a short passphrase (entered at the kernel boot line, not interactively) into a certificate
[2011/12/04 20:02:30] <wizard_2> Anyone know anyway to test if files are hard links
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[2011/12/04 20:03:09] <djmitche> I've been planning to hack up a CGI of some sort that will use digest auth + SSL to verify the pw, then call puppetca and feed back the results
[2011/12/04 20:03:17] <djmitche> suggestions of a better way?
[2011/12/04 20:04:15] <bob2> wizard_2, all files are "hard links"
[2011/12/04 20:04:44] <wizard_2> test $file1 -ef $file2; #test if both files are the same hard link
[2011/12/04 20:05:17] <bob2> that's a different question that i guess you have the answer for now
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[2011/12/04 21:26:47] <jeremyolliver> I'm having an issue with a custom fact from a puppet plugin not being loaded. Anyone able to point me in the right direction to figure out why not?
[2011/12/04 21:28:57] <jeremyolliver> I've determined the Facter definition is right, though when running puppetd --test --verbose --debug with a notify block to check the value of the variable for the fact, it's just blank instead of "true", or "false" as it should be
[2011/12/04 21:30:38] <djmitche> what does facter say
[2011/12/04 21:31:59] <jeremyolliver> the plugin is the rvm plugin, which is only checking for the presence of a single file to determine if it's installed or not. I've run facter via:
[2011/12/04 21:32:27] <jeremyolliver> facter rvm_installed
[2011/12/04 21:32:42] <jeremyolliver> true
[2011/12/04 21:33:17] <jeremyolliver> if I put a ruby file with the same facter ruby file on the puppet client machine that I'm trying to test it on
[2011/12/04 21:33:23] <jeremyolliver> is that what you meant?
[2011/12/04 21:34:01] <djmitche> no, I just meant run facter
[2011/12/04 21:34:05] <djmitche> which you've done :)
[2011/12/04 21:34:07] <jeremyolliver> however, when running the puppetd client notify{ "RVM installed evaluates to: ${rvm_installed}": } always shows up blank rather than true or false
[2011/12/04 21:34:10] <jeremyolliver> okay
[2011/12/04 21:34:21] <djmitche> ${::nvm_installed}?
[2011/12/04 21:35:20] <jeremyolliver> I'll give that a shot, what's the double colon prefix for? current namespace?
[2011/12/04 21:35:33] <djmitche> toplevel namespace
[2011/12/04 21:35:50] <mosen> if the fact is part of a module its gotta have that namespace too
[2011/12/04 21:36:04] <mosen> i think? :)
[2011/12/04 21:36:07] <jeremyolliver> hmm, still blank
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[2011/12/04 21:37:06] <jeremyolliver> all the installation instructions for this plugin say to have the plugin installed in modules/rvm/* which I do, and to use in the node/manifest if $rvm_installed == "true" { ...
[2011/12/04 21:37:37] <jeremyolliver> however that variable always evaulates to blank, and I tried commenting out the lines in rvm's facter definition, and there was no error, so I suspect it's not being loaded at all
[2011/12/04 21:37:54] <djmitche> introduce a syntax error to be sure
[2011/12/04 21:38:42] <jeremyolliver> I'm wondering if there's something odd or non standard about my factpath or factsource that might be causing it, but I don't really know quite enough about the architecture of what bits of facter run on the client/server and haven't had any success there
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[2011/12/04 21:40:25] <jeremyolliver> hmm, yeah no errors with a ruby error in that file (nil.breakeverything)
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[2011/12/04 21:41:14] <jeremyolliver> or with a syntax error
[2011/12/04 21:41:30] <mosen> facts in modules get loaded a different way, i think someone mentioned to me
[2011/12/04 21:41:41] <mosen> anyways.. maybe $rvm::rvm_installed ?
[2011/12/04 21:41:55] <mosen> stab in the dark
[2011/12/04 21:41:56] <jeremyolliver> Hmm, that might be worth a shot
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[2011/12/04 21:42:46] <jeremyolliver> do you recall anything they said about how those facts are loaded? I'm wondering if I need to set either factpath in my puppet.conf file or the FACTERLIB env variable or something, but there's been no mention of anyone else needing to do that
[2011/12/04 21:43:25] <mosen> I think theres a scope thing going on wrt facts in modules
[2011/12/04 21:43:37] <mosen> sorry I'm pretty new myself I guess
[2011/12/04 21:44:50] <jeremyolliver> that's okay. Hmm $rvm::rvm_installed didn't work either
[2011/12/04 21:46:54] <jeremyolliver> does anyone in here know how plugin defined facts are loaded?
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[2011/12/04 21:54:47] <mosen> are you using the fact inside rvm ? i'm guessing not
[2011/12/04 21:55:12] <mosen> maybe throw a dummy manifest in there with a notice of $rvm_installed
[2011/12/04 21:57:13] <jeremyolliver> Yeah, I've got a notice in the manifest that I'm actually running that shows the value of $rvm_installed
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[2011/12/04 21:58:10] <jeremyolliver> that's where I figured out it was nil/blank which facter returns for undefined facts
[2011/12/04 21:58:19] <jeremyolliver> rather than "false" like I'd assumed at first
[2011/12/04 21:59:29] <mosen> ohh right
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[2011/12/04 22:12:43] <jeremyolliver> ugh, still not sure what it could be, but gonna call it a day for now. thanks for the help, I might be back in here tomorrow if I still can't figure it out
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