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| [2011/12/16 00:28:40] <rtyler> anybody using the nagios resource types around to offer some help? | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:28:49] <rtyler> they're not as idempotent as I would like it seems <_< | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:34:56] <joe-mac> rtyler: I have used them to build a monitoring ifnrastructure | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:35:00] <joe-mac> what's up | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:35:28] <rtyler> how the crap do you remove services -_- | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:35:39] <joe-mac> ensure => absent? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:37:11] <rtyler> so I can't just remove the services, I have to leave them in forevers with ensure => absent? | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:40:32] <joe-mac> like everything in puppet, taking the definition out of the catalog does not remove the resource. it just makes the resource unmanaged by puppet. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:41:20] <rtyler> hm, indeed | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:41:23] <joe-mac> some types supoport 'resources { "user": purge => "true" } for example | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:41:29] <joe-mac> but the nagios types don't | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:41:47] <rtyler> gotcha, how to you manage removal then? ensure -> absent for a while, then just remove it | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:41:52] <rtyler> like deprecating an API almost | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:42:36] <joe-mac> personally I mostly remove a service when I decom a node, which I have a script for, which uses find and rm to remove the files associated with anything on that node | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:42:48] <joe-mac> I put each service in its own file | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:42:52] <joe-mac> for this specific reason | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:42:57] <rtyler> I thougth about that actually | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:43:04] <rtyler> I had no precedence to look to though | ||
| [2011/12/16 00:43:10] <rtyler> if that's a good route, I'd much rather just do that | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:43:26] <joe-mac> this is the route I went, and others go, I think lab42 went this way, their stuff is up online | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:46:14] <rtyler> hmm | ||
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| [2011/12/16 00:54:12] <keymone> anyone had the problem with puppet agent working correctly on first run and after that refusing to download any configuration changes? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 01:01:34] <rtyler> joe-mac: do you define a file per service per host or one file per service with all the hosts listed as an array | ||
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| [2011/12/16 01:03:08] <joe-mac> a file per service per host, only way you can realiably automate | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:03:25] <joe-mac> keymone: no, it sounds like on the first download a config change borked it | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:05:15] <keymone> joe-mac: what could i look for to debug it? logs are pretty much silent, on normal server when i do puppet reload i see Caught HUP; calling restart + restarting lines after that on broken server i only see Caught HUP; calling restart and seems like restart never happens | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:05:37] <keymone> also when i kill puppet and start it again it simply says puppet 2.7.1 loaded and then does nothing | ||
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| [2011/12/16 01:06:10] <rtyler> joe-mac: I suppose it's time to find those lab42 manifests :) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 01:10:06] <joe-mac> keymone: stop using the service and run it in the foreground in debug mode, first once with puppet agent -dt | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:10:10] <joe-mac> after you kill the service | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:10:18] <joe-mac> rtyler: yes they are helpful when starting | ||
| [2011/12/16 01:10:24] <joe-mac> they are pretty beastly | ||
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| [2011/12/16 02:18:19] <DbT_> Any tips on how to turn on debugging of a puppet master under Passenger? | ||
| [2011/12/16 02:19:08] <DbT_> duh, just found it: configu.ru! | ||
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| [2011/12/16 02:22:57] <DbT_> kjetilho: yep, I meant config.ru :-) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:05:42] <konadr> morning everyone, if I want to use puppet to install an application, but once it's there don't try to do it again, is that possible? Do I just check for the dir and if exists dont execute command? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:08:02] <lanky> a packaged application or some kind of archive? | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:08:02] <fragfutter> konadr: define "install an application" | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:08:02] <tcolgate> happymcplaksin, Hi, re: #11408, I think you are right, I just noticed that whilst my fact download works without the other patch, I still need to specify owner and group for other files | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:08:03] <gepetto> tcolgate: happymcplaksin: #11408 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/11408 "Puppet - Bug #11408: Windows fact and pluginsync are broken. It has a status of Code Insufficient and is assigned to Josh Cooper" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:08:16] <tcolgate> happymcplaksin, I reckon the other patch fixes that. | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:10:01] <happymcplaksin> tcolgate: Thanks! I'll test it later today. I had to google UAC and suspect our widows admins would say "can't turn that off" :) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:13:39] <konadr> sorry fragfutter, that was a little unclear, I mean pull a zip file for a commercial application and extract it onto disk into it's folder. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:15:19] <mzi> konadr: äunless =>ä | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:15:53] <konadr> sounds good, I was just wondering if there was another (more correct?) way mzi fragfutter | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:15:53] <mzi> eh, a lot of wierd characters I meant 'unless =>' | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:15:54] <tcolgate> happymcplaksin, it does seem to default to off for server builds anyway, I don't think that's a local policy here. | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:16:22] <tcolgate> happymcplaksin, I don't really know enough about windows to understand what the right thing for puppet to be doing is. It does seem to be a shame that it has to use local accounts. | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:16:48] <mzi> konadr: the more correct way should be to install a package ;) | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:17:45] <konadr> heh mzi :) ya that's the way I wanted to do it, but of course it's a last minute requirement to install it on all our systems in 5 days :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:19:20] <happymcplaksin> tcolgate: I'm definitely in the "don't really know enough" category when it comes to Windows. If UAC defaults to off, maybe it's already off for my test OS | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:28:40] <Callek> happymcplaksin: UAC defaults to on, but I am pretty sure there are potential for some sort of windows kickstart OS installer script to turn it off | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:28:52] <Callek> happymcplaksin: at least that is on w7, on w2k8 not so sure | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:29:26] <Callek> it is *possible* to turn off, but depending on the exposure/security needs of the OS I surely would not recommend it | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:39:23] <virt_spaceship> hi, does anyone know how to export a resource in Puppet Ruby DSL ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:40:08] <virt_spaceship> The PuppetLabs documentation specifies how to do it, but I can't get it to work | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:41:24] <joe-mac> virt_spaceship: yea hold on | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:42:36] <joe-mac> yea do, you just wrap create_resource calls in a export do..end | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:50:43] <PsychoSid> Anyone setup seperate CA's (primary/standby) running under Apache/Passenger from the Masters running under Apache/Passenger with everything behind another Apache/Passenger load balancer ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:51:03] <PsychoSid> Getting "Could not intern from s: nested asn1 error" | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:51:15] <PsychoSid> Clearly some SSL thing but baffling to me | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:52:10] <tcolgate> Callek, people he that know about windows suggested it default to on for desktops and off for servers, but that was only one mans opinion. | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:52:50] <Callek> tcolgate: the only win server I have experience with is w2k3 and that doesn't have UAC on by default I am SURE of (I don't think available at all) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:57:00] <joe-mac> UAC is on 2k8 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 03:58:46] <mlout> Can an environment only be set in the agent's puppet.conf? I'm not using a external node classifier | ||
| [2011/12/16 03:59:38] <mlout> or is it possible to set environments for nodes at the Master? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:05:02] <Callek> if you're doing it at the master level, why not do node inheritence + stage | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:05:48] <joe-mac> node inheritance is not advised | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:05:54] <_zack> (sorry for the n00b question) when I change manifests or other things on the puppetmaster, do I need to restart/reload it or will it automatically discover changes and send it to clients at their next request? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:06:08] <Callek> joe-mac: I though that was only if you ever intended to do ENC | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:06:26] <Callek> joe-mac: is it deprecated/being deprecated? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:06:39] <joe-mac> Callek: probably the only feature of puppet I have never used (ENC), I know it has problems, so you may be right | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:06:55] <joe-mac> I wouldn't say it's deprecated, but most people use classes instead | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:07:12] <joe-mac> node inheritance is less flexible and not really necessary, and does weird things with variable scope | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:07:14] <Callek> yea I prefer classes, but if you don't start out that way its harder to switch to it ;-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:07:25] <Callek> imo | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:07:44] <joe-mac> well, like all things, if you find out you did it wrong, you should plan to fix it | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:08:00] <virt_spaceship> joe-mac: Thnx for your reply. I found that solution in de Puppet documentation online. Do you have a working example? ps: I can't access pastebin from this location. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:08:13] <joe-mac> virt_spaceship: can you access pastie.org? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:08:15] <Callek> of course, I'm also (starting to do) rewriting an old multi-hundred node puppet system from 0.24 to 2.7 that heavily used node inheritence and had bad practices with manifests | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:08:46] <virt_spaceship> joe-mac: Yes pastie.org is fine. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:08:49] <joe-mac> Callek: yea, sounds fun, I've done some heavy rewrites as well | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:09:17] <Callek> joe-mac: the worst part about my situation is it was combination of puppet+ref-image deployment | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:09:27] <Callek> as in, some things they found easier to do manually, so did it that way | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:09:32] <Callek> and deployed refimage snapshots :/ | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:10:41] <joe-mac> virt_spaceship: http://www.pastie.org/3026014 | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:10:49] <movexig> Quick question: How do I use facts about the puppetmaster on puppet nodes? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:12:17] <movexig> As far as I can tell, just referring to a $fact will get that fact about the node. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:12:39] <joe-mac> movexig: you don';t really have a way of doing that, so describe your problem and maybe someone here can recommend a solution | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:12:43] <virt_spaceship> joe-mac: Great! I am going to test this now... | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:12:59] <movexig> Sure. Long story short, the puppet nodes need to be aware of what their master is. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:13:06] <joe-mac> $server | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:13:29] <movexig> Okay. But what about when I need to extend that to know other facts about the server? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:14:14] <joe-mac> you can't really. in an erb if you're using stored configs you could connect to the data base and do some qu eries about the masrter based on server, but that's kind of a hack | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:14:20] <joe-mac> what other info do you want from the master? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:14:46] <movexig> Are predefined variables that aren't facts listed in the docs somewhere? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:14:52] <movexig> Well, right now I mostly just need the master's IP address. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:00] <movexig> But in the future, I could potentially need facts such as Amazon EC2 instance ID. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:09] <movexig> Facter is aware of these facts, but only on the master. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:20] <Callek> movexig: actually should be easy :-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:32] <movexig> (FQDN isn't good enough, by the way -- I need the IP.) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:37] <joe-mac> $server I think gives yout he hostname, but you could do something like server_ip = inline_template("<%= require 'resolv'; resolv.getaddress(server) -%>") | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:15:57] <Callek> movexig: like you can do generate("/path/to/facter"...) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:00] <Callek> movexig: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/function.html#generate | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:12] <joe-mac> ah yea forgot about generate! | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:16] <joe-mac> that's a gem right there | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:23] <joe-mac> will solve your problems | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:28] <movexig> I wonder... now, I have ten left thumbs when it comes to Ruby, but | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:16:41] <movexig> Am I right in assuming that functions that access Facter directly always do so on the master? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:50] <movexig> I know there's a lookup function, but directly. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:16:51] <joe-mac> a function always runs on the master | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:02] <Callek> movexig: well generate will always run on the master | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:05] <joe-mac> a function looks like this: something(something) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:11] <movexig> It seems trivial (for someone with more Ruby knowledge than me!) to write something like... master_fact("factname"). | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:11] <joe-mac> always parens, always runs on the master | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:14] <Callek> functions that reference facts directly will expand the facts on the slave | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:19] <movexig> Feels pretty generally useful, that. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:19] <Callek> s/slave/node/ | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:28] <movexig> Okay. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:17:40] @ Quit: dnjaramba: Ping timeout: 268 seconds | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:18:20] <movexig> The documentation kind of implies lookupvar and Facter[] are different, though | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:19:50] <joe-mac> right, lookupvar can look up scoped variables and parameters | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:19:55] <movexig> Oh, also, where is stuff like $server in the docs? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:20:07] <joe-mac> facts are facts, basically they are like global variables I guess you could think of them that way | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:20:22] <joe-mac> just search for list of facts or something | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:20:28] <movexig> Sourced straight from configuration? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:20:32] <joe-mac> or list of standard facrts | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:20:33] <movexig> Right, but server is not a fact. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:20:59] <joe-mac> hm yea server is a weird one | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:21:04] <movexig> I presume Puppet also includes configuration as variables. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:21:05] <joe-mac> now that I think of it | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:21:10] <movexig> ( http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/configuration.html ) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:21:37] <joe-mac> well, when I access puppet configuration I use inline_template("<%= Puppet[:ssldir] -%>") idk if there is an easier way | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:22:11] <Callek> I'm partial to being explicit for non-facts like that | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:22:21] <Callek> |include settings| ... |$settings::server| | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:22:34] <joe-mac> well, you kinda have to be in 2.7 | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:22:37] <joe-mac> no more dynamic scope | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:03] <movexig> Well, it does say: "Settings can be interpolated as $variables in other settings" | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:14] <movexig> It doesn't say anything about a particular namespace for them. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:23:20] <Callek> movexig: that presumes settings file, aiui | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:30] <movexig> ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:50] <Callek> movexig: but you *can* |import settings| and reference it like |$settings::foo| since the settings Class is loaded at runtime | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:51] <Callek> :-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:23:58] <movexig> Please note that I do not speak Ruby. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:07] <joe-mac> Callek: I am confused by what you're saying | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:10] <joe-mac> what settings class | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:11] <Callek> movexig: I'm not speaking ruby | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:16] <joe-mac> there is no standard class included with puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:20] <Callek> joe-mac: the settings class internal to puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:25] <Callek> joe-mac: haha yes there is | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:28] <movexig> Where in the documentation is this? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:34] @ Quit: mpdude: Ping timeout: 244 seconds | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:45] <Callek> (not in documentation, sadly) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:50] * Callek looks up where he learned about that | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:24:51] <joe-mac> Callek: point me to this class? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:25:06] <_rc_> it's magic, but it's there | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:25:08] <joe-mac> you just magically type import settings, even though thre is no settings.pp file, and it auto loads the configuration as variables? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:25:16] <Callek> https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/11158 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:25:39] <joe-mac> that is terrible | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:25:40] <Callek> joe-mac: line 464 of lib/puppet/parser/compiler.rb | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:25:43] <_rc_> you don't even need to include it | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:25:50] <Callek> _rc_: exactly | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:26:01] <joe-mac> I don't think this mechanism should exist | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:26:02] <Callek> but including it just makes more visual sense imo | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:26:04] <joe-mac> it's underhanded and sketchy | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:26:16] <joe-mac> or rather I think it should exist in a different manifestation/implementation | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:26:38] <movexig> Well, if it just said somewhere "Configuration variables can magically be accessed as $settings::whatever", then I guess that's fine | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:27:15] <joe-mac> documenting a bad implementation doesn't make it a good one | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:27:30] <Callek> movexig: "Configuration variables can be accessed inside manifests at the settings namespace, as <tt>$settings::foo</tt>." | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:27:38] <movexig> I don't know if it's any stranger than facts being magically available. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:27:54] <movexig> Callek, what page ist hat? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:01] <Evolution> is there a method for handling conflicting modules? for example if moduleA requires package A, and moduleb requires package B, but you cannot have A and B installed at the same time? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:11] <Callek> movexig: ooo I was just expanding on my thoughts as to how to document that :-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:13] <Evolution> is there a method for noting that you can't apply both modules? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:18] <joe-mac> Evolution: virtual resources | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:22] <joe-mac> will help you get around that | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:36] <_rc_> no they won't; they'll just make a bigger mess | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:28:59] <joe-mac> _rc_: ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:02] <Callek> joe-mac: just to be sure, you are not employed by puppetlabs, or contributing code upstream to them at present, right? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:13] * Callek asks to get a handle on roughly who he is talking to | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:29:32] <joe-mac> Callek: I am *not* employed by puppetlabs, but do submit patches when I can, and have been using it heavily for 3 years | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:41] <joe-mac> and I make a living consulting largely basedon puppet work | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:52] <Callek> ok, thanks for the edification | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:54] <Callek> :-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:29:58] * Callek was just curious. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:30:21] <joe-mac> I help out on irc cause, it makes me learn... like this settings thing | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:30:34] <Callek> but yea, virtual resources can make a bigger mess if you're not careful. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:30:38] <joe-mac> I find it horrible but, I'll know it's there now and can use it if I need to | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:30:51] <Callek> There are of course good ways to do it.... but there are even more bad ways. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:31:16] <movexig> Okay, that's really strange. $settings::server does work... but the value is insane. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:31:25] <Evolution> so... how would one go about saying two modules conflict? is there an opposite to 'requires' ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:31:26] <_rc_> Evolution: in what way do the classes conflict? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:00] <movexig> I expected $settings::server to contain domU-xx-xx-xx-xx etc., but it contains "puppet". | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:04] <_rc_> if they conflict because they both manage the same resource, you just let that happen | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:05] <movexig> Which is not the server setting on the node OR on the master | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:08] <Evolution> _rc_: packages mostly. the classes themselves don't care. but pulp-cds and pulp cannot be installed at the same time. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:10] <movexig> (I guess it is the default though) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:32:16] <joe-mac> movexig: right it's the server var | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:23] <joe-mac> it's what you connect to.. which is by default, puppet | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:32:29] <Volcane> movexig: its the value of the puppet server which defaults to puppet - also $settings::* is the settings of the *master* | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:33] <movexig> Right... | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:36] <Callek> Evolution: my suggestion, use |if defined("foo") { fail("Can't proceed because Class A is used") }| | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:41] <movexig> Again, would be lovely if this was documented, heh. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:48] <Callek> Evolution: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/function.html#defined | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:53] <movexig> Okay, so generate it is, I guess... | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:32:58] <Volcane> movexig: would you rather whine about or have me help you? pick one. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:33:07] <movexig> I don't think I'm whining. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:33:25] <Volcane> its whining when you dont open tickets asking for improvement or sending in patches | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:33:49] <movexig> I've been aware that $settings even existed for all of ten minutes. If you want me to open a ticket, I can do that. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:05] <Evolution> _rc_: basically I have pulp::server and pulp::cds classes. the packages each requires cannot be installed together. since I'm using foreman as my front-end, I'm trying to keep users from doing something stupid. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:20] <_rc_> Evolution: get smarter users. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:23] <Volcane> movexig: what is it you are looking for exactly? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:25] <Callek> movexig: settings should only contain the settings info, I think a better solution to generate would be a master_fact("") thing like you suggested before ;-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:27] <Callek> but yea | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:37] <Evolution> _rc_: I would if I could. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:52] <movexig> Volcane, well, I started out looking for a way to get facts about the master on nodes. But at this point, I think generate() is the best solution for what I need. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:34:58] <Callek> Evolution: did you notice my solution/suggestion? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:35:02] <Volcane> what kind of fact? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:35:07] <Evolution> Callek: yep. I'll check it out, thanks. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:35:10] <movexig> Someone suggested I use the "server" config variable to find the hostname of the master, but in the end, that didn't work, as above | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:35:26] <Volcane> $serverip and $servername and $serverversion | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:35:26] <movexig> At the moment, the fact I need is the server's IP address (not FQDN), but in the future I may need other facts like ec2 instance ID. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:36:22] <movexig> And then the topic came up that I asked where in the documentation this was so I don't need to hound people for answers, but it seems they're not? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:36:56] <Callek> movexig: a $settings value that might work for you, depending on WHAT your settings are: `cert_name` "The name to use when handling certificates. Defaults to the fully qualified domain name." | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:01] <Callek> s/_// | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:05] <Volcane> its in $serverip and $servername and $serverversion | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:19] <movexig> Callek, $serverip and $servername as suggested by Volcane do work for me in this case though, so I'll use that | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:23] <Volcane> see http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/faq.html#are-there-variables-available-other-than-those-provided-by-facter | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:30] <movexig> Thanks, Volcane. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:45] <movexig> Oh, there you go, it IS documented. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:47] <movexig> Neat. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:37:47] <Callek> ahhh I didn't catch those ;-) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:38:06] <Volcane> and if there's somewhere more obvious where you might have looked to find this information a ticket is the best way to fix that (or a pull request since the docs is public) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:10] <Callek> Volcane++ | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:24] * Callek didn't notice that either | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:37] <joe-mac> the settings class is cleaner than inline template, that's for sure, can't believe I never found out about this | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:39] <Volcane> yeh no surprises no-one reads the FAQ :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:44] <joe-mac> haha | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:49] <joe-mac> slashdot syndrome | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:38:55] <joe-mac> no one RTFs anything | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:12] <Callek> Volcane: "Note that other than $environment, the agent’s settings aren’t available in manifests." huh really? so I can't do $settings::foo in a manifest? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:19] <joe-mac> oooo $caller_module_name that is nice | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:20] <Callek> (that is counter to my experience with things) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:31] <joe-mac> Callek: those are the master settings | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:33] <Volcane> no i wasnt being sarcastic or anything, if valuable info is only in the FAQ then that just means the doc sux :) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:39:39] <joe-mac> says so right in the faq | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:42] <Callek> yes, which is as I expected | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:54] <Callek> ooo misread that quote | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:39:56] <Volcane> Callek: $settings is the *master* settings | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:40:04] * Callek read agent as meaning master | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:40:47] <Callek> I know I've tested $settings:: deeply after finding my bug | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:41:10] <Callek> (yea using extlookup in a manifest class called settings is a bad idea thats for sure) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:41:30] <Volcane> heh | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:41:50] <JayTaph> I'm reading this bug: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/7604 and see that not many people use a hierarchical approach of defining nodes apparently.. What is the current practice of defining nodes (since we have multiple projects, each with N nodes which we like to define per file inside a structured hierarchy) | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:41:56] <Volcane> would prefer these kinds of things are in immutable global hash variables, seems much more sane | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:42:27] <joe-mac> yea- that's what I'm saying | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:42:32] <joe-mac> the whole settings thing strikes me as sloppy | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:42:51] <Volcane> predates hashes in the language iirc | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:42:57] <joe-mac> yea | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:42:58] <Volcane> so was probably the only option then | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:51:50] <Evolution> One last question if folks have the time. I have a module to deploy puppet and the server which works fine initially, but if I try to set things up with a layout of globalmaster -> sitemaster -> clients, the sitemaster complains about its own cert generation.. duplicate cert exists, etc. | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:52:11] <Evolution> is there a method or proper way to use a puppet master to deploy a puppet master? | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:52:46] <Evolution> the site master will need to be able to sign client certs without communicating to the globalmaster | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:54:16] <mzi> JayTaph: one file per node? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:55:27] <mzi> JayTaph: in that case do like node default { include project::$hostname } | ||
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| [2011/12/16 04:57:31] <virt_spaceship> joe-mac: I tested you configuration example, but I get an error.... https://pastee.org/5k44t | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:58:34] <JayTaph> mzi: ah thnxs.. I will check if that works with our setup | ||
| [2011/12/16 04:59:38] <joe-mac> virt_spaceship: that's the entirety of the code? it's not in a hostclass or antyhing? | ||
| [2011/12/16 05:00:33] <virt_spaceship> joe-mac: the code is in a define | ||
| [2011/12/16 05:04:17] <joe-mac> you need to put that stuff inside a .rb file, you undertstand that right/ | ||
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| [2011/12/16 05:19:37] <happymcplaksin> Callek: Thanks for the info! | ||
| [2011/12/16 05:19:51] <Callek> happymcplaksin: no problem | ||
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| [2011/12/16 06:03:18] <jokajak> anyone know if it's possible to build an array in a template and pass that to a type? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 06:15:49] <ghany> hello | ||
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| [2011/12/16 06:21:55] <yawniek> i have a string that i want to define for each node e.g. some metadata about a host. now that data needs to get included in certain erb files within some classes (which are attached to the extended parrent node). what is the correct way of doing this? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 06:51:13] <slap_stick> hey, don't suppose anyone could offer advice on how i can use a variable inside an inherits? if i have class this { $a = "123" include another } class another inherits b { notify { "b is: ${b}": } } b ends up blank | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:51:38] <slap_stick> pah sorry ${a} not b | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:52:21] <fragfutter> ${this::a} | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:52:40] <slap_stick> ah just declare the full path | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:52:41] <slap_stick> doh | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:52:59] <tremble> slap_stick: Yeah don't use the dynamic scoping it will really bite you. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 06:58:43] <slap_stick> hm ok wht if you had: class this { define conf($a) { include that } } class that inherits b { notify "a is: ${this::a}": } would the scope of $a be $this::a even if it's inside a define? | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:59:09] <_rc_> no, that $a is just $a | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:59:40] <slap_stick> ok well if i do just $a it's blank | ||
| [2011/12/16 06:59:48] <_rc_> also save your head some pain later and don't nest your define declarations inside classes | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:00:14] <_rc_> it's not visible outside the define | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:03:00] <slap_stick> but the include is inside the define, it works for things that don't inherit, it seems if my class inherits fmor another class the scope alters and it doesnt see variables , even if i include a class with a variable inside the class i inherit from | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:03:29] <slap_stick> so in my example if i used $a it would be blank and $this::a isn't visible either | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:04:00] <_rc_> in your example you're trying to do something that's like parameterised classes, but instead is a mess | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:05:49] <dotplus> I'm having a little trouble with understanding variable scoping/reference. I have a class foo defined in modules/foo/manifests/init.pp that specifies (declares/defines? not quite sure of the jargon) a file resource which has content => template("foo/foo.conf.erb"), so I should have the erb file at modules/foo/templates/foo.conf.erb. if I specify a variable inside the class, such as $foo_varList = ['bar','baz'], my erb can have 'foo = <% ... | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:05:53] <slap_stick> i know but this is 2.4 and hence can't use parameterized classes and i can't upgrade either | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:05:56] <dotplus> ... foo_varList.each do |foo_var| -%><%= foo_var %> <% end -%>' and puppet will write my foo.conf file to contain 'foo = bar baz'. My question is, if I have node mynode { include foo }, how do I override the contents of $foo_varList just for mynode? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:08:51] <sihil> does anyone know whether previous versions of the OSX packages are archived anywhere? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:10:08] <slap_stick> so what i want to do is: class test { define conf($a) { class new inherits old { Anotherdefine["itsname"]: { val => "${a}" } } } } | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:11:11] <_rc_> what you want can't work because of the scoping rules that defines have | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:11:37] <slap_stick> yeh, it works fine if i was to include a class which uses ${a} | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:11:48] <slap_stick> but if i include a class which inherits a class and uses ${a} it wont | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:12:22] <slap_stick> so i need a solution | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:13:23] <_rc_> thing is, we don't know the root problem, just the non-solution you're trying to make work | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:13:34] @ Quit: pmorillon: Quit: pmorillon | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:13:36] <slap_stick> well you know what i want to do | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:14:08] <slap_stick> i want to keep $a dynamic, i can't use paramaterized classes as they dont exist in this version and so i have to use a define and i want to override something defined in another class with the dynamic variable | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:14:23] <_rc_> you can't have all that | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:14:35] <slap_stick> i could probably do this | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:28] <slap_stick> h | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:31] <slap_stick> hm nope that wont work | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:32] <slap_stick> pah | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:38] <_rc_> that's the solution you have in your head for your problem; but we can't ggive you a better solution as you don't say the problem | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:48] <slap_stick> i have said the problem | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:15:56] <slap_stick> i have a class it contains something i want to override | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:16:01] <slap_stick> i want to override itwith something dynamic | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:16:41] <_rc_> why do you want to use something dynamic? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:16:52] <_rc_> rather than something that's say, straight data-oriented | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:16:56] <slap_stick> because it can alter | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:17:08] <slap_stick> i dont know what value somebody might want to use | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:17:11] <_rc_> so can a data-oriented approach | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:17:12] <slap_stick> consider $a to be their age | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:17:25] <_rc_> but you're insisting on solving it with dynamic scope | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:17:36] <slap_stick> ok how would i do it with data-orientated approach? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:18:35] <Callek> slap_stick: my comment about this, is that puppet variables don't act like variables in most traditional programming languages | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:18:41] <_rc_> take a look at hiera; then you model $age as a property with a default, and you oveeride based on whatever hierarchy yoiu're modelling | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:18:46] <Callek> you also don't actually inherit variables in puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:18:52] <Callek> hiera or extlookup can work | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:19:43] <Callek> slap_stick: I have a real example of extlookup solution you are free to peek at, at http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet/rev/2c514d1175cc | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:21:29] <Callek> but yea heira is better imo (just harder to setup than using extlookup) | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:23:23] <slap_stick> hm | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:23:36] <slap_stick> i was hoping for a "oh you just do this" answer haha | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:24:25] <_rc_> it is, it's just the "this" happens to be "rethink and use a different approach" | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:24:40] <slap_stick> wel it means implementing something | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:24:45] <slap_stick> hiera or extlookup | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:26:22] <Callek> many real programming problems (other than in perl, where there are 50 thousand solutions nomatter what your problem is) involve the ability to backtrack and rethink your hopeful answer | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:26:24] <slap_stick> hm can you destroy resources i.e Package["name"] so if it's defined destroy it? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:26:49] <slap_stick> i know you can remove the package but i mean remove it's existence | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:27:08] <slap_stick> from a puppet point of view | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:27:48] <Callek> slap_stick: and trust me on our solution for the var thing, I tried like 20 other ways, over the course of two days getting that to work in a useful way :-) | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:28:15] <Callek> (of course i hit like 2 or 3 puppet bugs along the way, or rather un/sub documented things, but thats another story) | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:28:27] <Callek> as far as undefining a resource, not sure I know of a way | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:28:37] <slap_stick> yeh i guess i dont really understand the other solutions approach. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:29:09] <Callek> you can _check_ if a resource is defined (http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/function.html#defined) but as for undefining one, not really | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:29:22] <_rc_> no; also if there was, don't. that you ask the question suggests you didn't break your classes down into small enough pieces | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:29:29] <Callek> you might be able to get away with doing virtual resources, and the realizing them | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:29:45] <Callek> but yea, almost always is a bad idea | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:29:58] <slap_stick> yeh | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:30:01] <slap_stick> hm | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:30:20] <Callek> s/almost always/what you suggest is most certainly/ | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:30:50] <slap_stick> heira has very little documnetation | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:31:37] <Callek> extlookup/hiera is much more powerful/useful than the way I did it, fwiw. | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:31:54] <Callek> my use-case is multiple puppet deployments and making the in-repo source easier to manage | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:32:13] <Callek> yours is more across a single deployment and different configs for different nodes | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:32:29] <Callek> but the general though process as to the problem is the same | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:33:37] <slap_stick> yeh | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:34:40] <slap_stick> would parameterized classes have even got round the problem.. just curious .. class new($a="value") inherits old { ..override with ${a} } ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:34:48] <slap_stick> not like i can use it but just wanted to know | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:35:52] <_rc_> in general, avoid class/node inheritance. it just turns into a bad game of "so what did declare that" | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:36:18] <slap_stick> ok, but what if you need to override something inside a class? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:36:23] <_rc_> with a side round of "why didn't that take effect like I thought it would" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:36:54] <slap_stick> i guess you write your classes objectively as to not actually set anything up that would need overriding? and things you need to setup would come from extlookup? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:37:23] <_rc_> pretty much | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:37:35] <slap_stick> i see | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:37:48] <slap_stick> i guess that makes sense | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:38:32] <_rc_> it's not the only/best way to do it, but I find it workable and reduces surprise | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:39:27] <slap_stick> documentation doesn't really approach things like that though | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:39:44] <slap_stick> i mean, puppetlabs docs approach things in a way that isn't data orientated | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:40:26] <slap_stick> it's great if you are doing simple things, but if anything involves scale, you tie people in to a methodology that actually doesn't scale you're then left revising everything and having to almost start from scratch with a different approach | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:40:35] <_rc_> well the demonstrate all the language features, they don't really warn you of the traps | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:41:02] <slap_stick> and i bet loads of people end up having to start again once they understand the pitfalls | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:41:48] <f3ew> slap_stick: that's fine. Puppet is a far more programmatic way of approaching your infrastructure, so you have to be willing to refactor/rewrite/re-implement | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:42:17] <slap_stick> agreed.. would be nice though if they kind of explained a 'greater scheme of things' approach | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:42:40] <slap_stick> otherwise you just have lots of people either reinvneting the wheel or having to go through the same thing | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:42:59] <f3ew> slap_stick: a "greater scheme of things?" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:43:12] <_rc_> there is no one true way | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:43:30] <slap_stick> ok well, common miconceptions and problems i guess, how to scale puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:43:38] <slap_stick> not infrastructurally but code wise | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:43:42] <f3ew> Scaling it? Just add Puppetmasters? | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:43:44] <slap_stick> is infrastructurally a word? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:43:51] <f3ew> It is now | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:43:59] <slap_stick> ha | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:44:32] <f3ew> `You can destroy resources which aren't in Puppet | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:44:46] <f3ew> But that's something you almost never, ever want to di | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:44:51] <f3ew> do | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:45:03] <slap_stick> yeh, was curious | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:45:12] <slap_stick> i know you can override, didnt know if there was a complete destory as well | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:45:43] <f3ew> You *can*. But then you had better ensure that everything you need is in Puppet, including Puppet itself. | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:45:59] <_rc_> f3ew: different question I think | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:46:21] <slap_stick> yeh maybe i dont mean resource, but more a declaration of a resource use | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:46:25] <_rc_> f3ew: this isn't the purging other resources stuff | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:46:50] <f3ew> ah | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:46:53] <slap_stick> file { "this" } destroy[File["this"]] kind of thing | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:46:55] <_rc_> this is some class declares Package[foo]; some related class wants to remove that from the catalog. | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:47:01] <f3ew> No | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:47:23] <_rc_> would be bad and wrong | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:47:32] <slap_stick> yeh it wouldn't make sense to even have it really, if you dont want it defined, dont define it | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:47:47] <f3ew> I don't see a usecase for that which would leave sysadmins sane | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:04] <_rc_> you often see it asked as 'how do I say "all classes, apart from on node Jim which wants all - foo"' | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:32] <slap_stick> haha | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:37] <_rc_> and it normally means they didn't split the classes small enough to begin with | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:45] <f3ew> Yup | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:52] <slap_stick> i dont really like the spiderweb of includes of classes though | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:48:56] <slap_stick> i find it a bit chaotic | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:49:02] <f3ew> We have a reasonably sane hierarchy here | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:49:38] <_rc_> make them as big as they can be; you can always refactor later, it's just a few commits away | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:49:42] <f3ew> node -> service (global modules) -> modules (basically parameterised classes) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 07:51:48] <X0Rc0re> http://tinychat.com/hacktheplanet | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:53:08] <slap_stick> yeh , i tend to be in the mind set of making modules configurable i.e. paramterized classes or defines, but my mistake is that i see it as a functional language and it's not | ||
| [2011/12/16 07:54:00] <f3ew> It's OO/functional, but not Turing complete | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:01:24] <slap_stick> well, thanks for your help anyway ;-) appreciated | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:11:44] <lwhalen> have people been reporting weird behavior with puppet-agent in 2.7.9? | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:12:15] <Callek> lwhalen: you'll have to be more specific than that | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:15:42] <lwhalen> I've got three or four clients (Oracle Enterprise 5.7, 64-bit, puppet installed via RPM from puppetlabs) that have randomly stopped talking with the puppetmaster | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:16:40] <lwhalen> this generally happens at o-dark thirty at night, and since I've got a custom Nagios check that watches the age of /var/lib/puppet/state/state.yaml, I get woken up :-p | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:17:53] <lwhalen> the agent is logging "puppet-agent[8821]: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Could not intern from pson: source did not contain any PSON!" | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:18:19] <lwhalen> this was a direct upgrade from 2.7.6, where I ran into that cert-generation bug | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:19:14] * Callek will defer to others here | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:22:13] <masterzen> lwhalen: I'd say your master didn't send anything useful to the client. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:32:31] <neonflux> lwhalen: I've been seeing some nodes show up as unresponsive on puppet-dashboard over the last month | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:32:41] <neonflux> all at varying times | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:36:10] <lisa> is there a way to get extlookup to play nicely with environments? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:36:32] <lisa> wiht 2.7.x | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:37:42] <lisa> or is that a user-supplied case statement? | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:37:46] <_rc_> just have a distinct site.pp for each environment, then in those you can set http://edweissman.com/famous-last-words-by-bosses-ive-had | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:37:55] <_rc_> $extlookup_datadir to the right thing | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:38:17] <lisa> okay | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:41:37] <dan__t> Mmm, today I'm going to investigate how nasty it would be to create VLANs, bonds, and bridges on Linux with Puppet. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:41:43] <dan__t> I'm expecting explosions and fun stuff. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:42:14] <jim80net> so I'm learning puppet still, and trying to manage local users.... I'm trying to pass an array in the nodes.pp to an if statement in the users module. The if statement says if $users_admin {include $users-admin}. I know I need to format that differently, because it's not working. Help? | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:43:20] <_rc_> $users_admin $users-admin. which? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:43:52] <jim80net> _rc_; it's a typo in the IM, in the code, it's correct users_admin | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:44:03] <lisa> dan__t: sounds like a great way to hose your network :) good luck :D | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:44:16] <_rc_> then please define 'not working' more specifcally. | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:44:31] <jim80net> basically, i get the following debug error: | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:44:50] <jim80net> Error 400 on SERVER: undefined method `downcase' for ["users::users::netops", "users::users::techsrv"]:Array at | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:36] <_rc_> so $users_admin is an array? | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:51] <jim80net> that array being what I'm defining in the nodes.pp : | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:52] <jim80net> node 'testpup1' inherits devel { | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:52] <jim80net> $users_admins = ["users::users::netops","users::users::techsrv"] | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:52] <jim80net> $testing = yes | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:52] <jim80net> include general | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:45:52] <jim80net> } | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:46:04] <jim80net> ugh, sorry. shoulda pastebin'd that | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:46:27] <_rc_> so it's saying, effectively, that include doesn't take an array | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:46:56] <_rc_> it expects a string, or something else that it could call downcase on | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:47:32] <_rc_> try this. define include_many { include title } include_many { $users_admins: } | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:47:54] <_rc_> sorry, define include_many { include $title } include_many { $users_admins: } | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:48:10] <lisa> jim80net: use pastie.org to paste large chunks of text | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:48:26] <nh0ch0ckiss> hi | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:49:19] <dan__t> thanks, lisa. | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:49:20] <jim80net> _rc_ genius, works! | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:49:30] <jim80net> lisa, yup, that's my fault | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:49:32] <dan__t> It's just some fancy templating. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:50:15] <_rc_> I disagree, it's it's just fancy macro expansion | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:50:31] <dan__t> Create an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bond0.CLIENTVLAN, an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-vlanCLIENTVLAN to represent a bridge, and ifup each part. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 08:55:55] <gaahrdner> how does everyone run the puppet agent? via the daemon or cron? we've been using the daemon for a few years but i'm finding now that at times it's using about 500mb in resident memory... | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:56:37] <_rc_> cron, with mcollective for ad-hoc runs, almost entirely for that reason | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:57:39] <_rc_> either puppet isn't good as releasing things, or it's the ruby vm, but the net result is the same | ||
| [2011/12/16 08:59:18] <gaahrdner> yeah, i think i'm going to have to switch | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:00:57] <jim80net> would you use puppet to make the switch? | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:01:17] <jim80net> install cron job, then stop the service? | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:01:47] <gaahrdner> Yeah, ensure the cron job there is first, then ensure the puppetd service is stopped and chkconfiged off | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:01:53] * jim80net feels noobish in #puppet. lol | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:02:22] <_rc_> no, because unless you very carefully force the ordering, and you can't really enforce the ordering between enable/running, you'll shoot yourself in the foot a lot | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:03:08] <gaahrdner> yeah, now that i think about it, you'd might have to set up some run stages to ensure the rest of hte catalog applied | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:03:41] <gaahrdner> might be better suited for a one off ssh loop... | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:03:45] <_rc_> it's safe enough to do service { "puppet": enabled => false } so it doesn't start on next boot, but ensure => stopped will make it kill itself mid-run | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:04:41] <_rc_> so for the migration from daemon to cron it's a bit fiddly; but ideally once you make the switch it's fine to put that in puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:04:58] <_rc_> though you'd make it a provisioning step if you can | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:06:27] <gaahrdner> yeah, that sounds like a safer way to do it | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:10:18] <henderb> do puppet agents keep track of exported resources? I just moved my agents to a new puppetmaster by removing /var/lib/puppet/ssl/ and joining them to the new one and they don't seem to be exporting their resources | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:10:50] <_rc_> the exported resources are kept by the puppetmaster in their configured database | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:13:22] <henderb> right, but only the new hosts have resources, the ones that were on the old master don't | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:17:03] <_rc_> yes; the only way to change that would be to have a common storeconfig db between masters | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:53:49] <fixxxermet> Hey everyone. I've written an openvz module with openvz:: service, config and install. ::install installs a new kernel, which requires a rebooot. | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:54:16] <fixxxermet> So for the ::install kernel package, I gave it a notify => exec['reboot'] | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:54:30] <fixxxermet> Is this going to reboot the server after ::config? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:54:55] <Volcane> fixxxermet: require the exec | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:55:26] <fixxxermet> Volcane: http://pastebin.com/iq728nLN is what I have now | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:55:51] <fixxxermet> I read that doing refreshonly w/ notify is a good way to selectively use exec | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:56:40] <fixxxermet> Right now nothing in ::config requires ::install | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:56:58] <fixxxermet> though ::service does require ::config | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:57:04] <Volcane> if u want something to happens before something else then require it | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:58:21] <fixxxermet> So what happens if ::install, which is required by ::config, does a reboot? will ::config finish? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 09:58:49] <Volcane> next run yes | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:58:58] <Volcane> after the boot | ||
| [2011/12/16 09:59:14] <fixxxermet> ok | ||
| [2011/12/16 10:00:34] <Volcane> everything happens on every run | ||
| [2011/12/16 10:00:51] <Volcane> so if you reboot before the run ends next run it will do all the stuff | ||
| [2011/12/16 10:01:06] <Volcane> but because the ::install will be done already, no notify sent, and the rest will continue | ||
| [2011/12/16 10:03:20] <fixxxermet> makese sense | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:01:08] <_zack> heya, does 'puppet parser validate' perform an in-depth validation following all include/import ? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:01:28] <Dr_Memory> is it possible to introspect a package resource to find out what version puppet believes is current? | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:02:09] <Dr_Memory> I'd like to have an exec that triggers only when we cross a certain version threshold. | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:03:39] <gaahrdner> i don't think there is an easy way to do that Dr_Memory, save writing a fact: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/Package_Version_Matching_Patterns | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:05:21] <gaahrdner> oops i'm wrong, looks like there is a function called "versioncmp" | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:05:35] <gaahrdner> http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/10934 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:05:43] <Dr_Memory> dissappointment! Followed by Interest! | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:07:26] <Dr_Memory> huh, except that versioncmp is just a string comparison | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:07:30] <Dr_Memory> unless I'm misreading this? | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:07:35] <Dr_Memory> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/function.html#versioncmp | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:07:45] <gaahrdner> yeah, i just looked at that, i think you're right :( | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:11:00] <gaahrdner> this might help: http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/1a75bd09564f7439 | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:11:39] <pll> Anyone know why puppet would choke on creating a group when manually exec'ing the groupadd command works fine ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:12:01] <pll> I'm getting 'foogroup' is not a valid group name | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:12:33] <pll> Does puppet choke if user/group name is > 8 chars ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:12:34] <eric0> gaahrdner, Dr_Memory look at zee code, its a little smarter than that.. lib/puppet/util.package.rb | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:14:32] <Dr_Memory> eric0: sorry, yeah, I get that it's not just a stringwise cmp | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:15:17] <Dr_Memory> but can you use it to do something like versioncmp(Package["a"], '0.0.1') ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:16:57] <Volcane> if only it was documented hey? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 12:17:24] <Dr_Memory> where's the fun in reading documentation? :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:17:50] <Volcane> enough stupid questions easily answered in one of the 3 major doc pages and no1 will help you anymore :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:18:03] <Dr_Memory> point | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:19:55] <Volcane> really all u need for most of these questions is one of type reference, function reference or languide guide | ||
| [2011/12/16 12:20:00] <Volcane> 3 pages, answers most questions | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:07:14] <robinbowes> Where are facter facts documented? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:08:48] <Dominic> robinbowes: only in the source files really. The new ones tend to have descriptions about the source data, caveats etc. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:09:41] <robinbowes> OK | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:10:06] <bsg_kwolf1> I have what I'm sure is going to be a dump question. Shouldn't this result in the servers in the regex having $is_dr_server set to true? http://pastie.org/3028257 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:11:19] <Dominic> bsg_kwolf1: you've fallen into trap #1 of node inheritance. Avoid it like the plague :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:11:19] <gepetto> Dominic: bsg_kwolf1: #1 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/1 "Puppet - Feature #1: Differentiate classes from definitions. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to Luke Kanies" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:13:28] <Dominic> bsg_kwolf1: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/troubleshooting.html#node-inheritance-and-variable-scope | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:15:06] <bsg_kwolf1> Thanks Dominic. I read that, it just feels like I'm going the other way if that makes sense. I thought I'd be able to define a new var in the node that inherited the parent. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:15:53] <Dominic> bsg_kwolf1: it doesn't change the visibility, you can't see the new var from the parent (which I assume is what you're doing via those included classes) | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:16:29] <jetole> Hey guys. I have puppet 0.25.4 running (I know it's probably old) that I had setup a while ago rarely make changes to so pardon the "newbie" question but is it possible to setup rules in a manifest that apply to all servers with exceptions. I guess basically what I mean is can I create a list of hosts and apply the rules to all servers that are not listed as hosts not to receive these updates from? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:16:54] <jetole> Also, is there a way I can list all client systems as well as the last time they checked in with puppetmaster? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:19:58] <aricg> jetole, http://theforeman.org ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:20:11] <jetole> thanks. let me take a look | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:20:59] <jetole> aricg: oh now this looks cool | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:21:48] <bsg_kwolf1> Dominic: Yes, essentially, I think anyway. In modules I can't see $is_dr_server at all. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:22:09] <bsg_kwolf1> I need to find time to get an enc or hiera going. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:22:58] <jetole> foreman looks like something I will implement in the near future but for now, is there a way for me to see all hosts connecting to puppet master and the last time they connected. Also is there a way for me to create rules that apply to all hosts except the ones I ask it not too? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:26:38] <aricg> jetole there are reports in /var/lib/puppet/reports | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:27:11] <jetole> aricg: Thanks. I'll take a look now | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:27:39] <jetole> ...hmmmm. not in my case. It's a empty dir | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:28:09] <bsg_kwolf1> I think it's different for 0.25, jetole. but I can't remember where they are. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:29:58] <bsg_kwolf1> jetole: check /var/lib/puppet/yaml/node | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:30:17] <jetole> ah cool | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:30:30] <jetole> I was just doing some poking around /var/lib/puppet when you mentioned that | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:30:59] <jetole> I see tons of yaml files all with the host names, I'll see if I can figure out how to find a last accessed timestamp from here | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:04] <Dewin> Hmm. I'd like to make a file resource that does ensure=>absent if a corresponding template does not exist and is otherwise ensure=>present and contents=>template(...). Any ideas on how I might go about this? Disclaimer: I'm very new to Puppet still. We just recently acquired a new server that will eventually replace one of our current ones and I'm essentially trying to transcribe all of the current server's configuration to puppet | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:09] <ashp> Guys, I need your genius. I want to move towards a model where service providers export information that can be collected on clients to determine what those services are. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:19] <ashp> For example, dns resolvers exporting something tagged with their location and ip | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:26] <ashp> and then on clients I consume those to build resolv.conf | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:34] <ashp> I can't find a good generic way of doing this, closest I found was http://www.mail-archive.com/puppet-users@googlegroups.com/msg22236.html | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:32:44] <ashp> where he's importing and using generate and perl scripts.. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:35:15] <ashp> I guess I could use concat and export a snippit from each resolver to build resolv.conf | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:35:21] <ashp> but I'm not sure that'll cut it for everything | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:35:31] <ashp> as sometimes I want to do more with the info than just make a file | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:35:52] <robinbowes> What is your source of truth? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:36:07] <illsci> Hey isn't there a cwd property for the cron type? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:36:13] <illsci> how do you set the current working directory for cron | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:36:30] <robinbowes> What do the docs say? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:37:07] <ashp> robinbowes: The source of truth would be what the storeconfig collected information? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:37:13] <ashp> robinbowes: i'm not sure I understand. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:37:19] <illsci> im looking at them and I dont see it... | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:37:23] <illsci> maybe its the wrong version | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:37:47] <robinbowes> No, looks like there isn't such a parameter | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:38:32] <robinbowes> How would you set cwd in a crontab *without* using puppet ? | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:13] <agaffney> cd /path/to && ./my_cmd | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:15] <illsci> well I can tell you the way im doing it in puppet right now... | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:21] <illsci> exactly :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:33] <robinbowes> So, that's the way to do it then | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:35] <illsci> I could have sworn I've used cwd => | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:39:41] <illsci> must have been exec or something | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:40:03] <robinbowes> Yes, exec has cwd | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:42:18] <robinbowes> ashp: so, if stored configs are your source of truth, then you need to use that information in your consumers | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:43:28] <ashp> robinbowes: Well, that's where I struggle to figure out. All I can export are resources, so I'm stuck exporting files, mostly likely, containing the info I need. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:43:46] <ashp> Really however what I want to export are variables or something that can be consumed by clients | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:43:54] <ashp> because I could export those and then use them in templates | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:44:10] <ashp> I could use concat() with exported resources but I think I lose the ability to easily template things that way, I'm not sure. | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:44:20] <robinbowes> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/exported_resources.html | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:44:59] <ashp> But nothing in there specifically answers the question of -what- to export in order to use that information in templates. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 13:45:45] <ashp> If I had the dns infrastructure in puppet I could have used that to build up zone information or something and then just had machines check dns to go to the right place (which is probably better in the long run) | ||
| [2011/12/16 13:46:21] <ashp> the issue I'm trying to solve is having clusters of services per dc and having machines hit the right ip's for things (like in resolv.conf where you can't just rely on a hostname like x.dc1.company.com | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:12:25] <robinbowes> Well, you could have the exported resources write the files, then read them in a template? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:25:41] <djbkd> Hello, I'm not having a lot of luck finding info on setting up multiple puppet dashboards on a single host (like separate rails apps with their own backends) was curious if somebody here may be able to point me in a direction | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:26:20] <djbkd> using apache & passenger | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:29:38] <walterheck> hello, we're experiencing a strange issue: when we execute puppets -t, it occasionally fails, saying something like: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Could not find class xen::server. if we run again 10 seconds later, it completes it's run. Puppet 2.7.9, debian squeeze. Any ideas? | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:29:54] <walterheck> it's not always xen::server by the way, it differs | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:39:06] <agaffney> walterheck: that typically happens when puppet "caches" a syntax error | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:40:40] <agaffney> walterheck: if you restart your master, you'll likely get the syntax error on the first few runs after | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:40:56] <agaffney> walterheck: or you can look back in your master logs for the initial syntax error | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:41:32] <walterheck> agaffney: so you're saying there is a syntax error in our recipes, or there isn't? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:45:41] <agaffney> walterheck: there likely is | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:46:08] <agaffney> when the class changes "randomly" and you're fairly sure it's there, always look for syntax errors *somewhere* in your puppet tree | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:46:09] <walterheck> agaffney: so how does it not show on every run? | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:46:20] <agaffney> because puppet is "special" in this situation :P | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:46:34] <walterheck> also, geppetto gives 0 warnings or errors, so it seems unlikely something is wrong | ||
| [2011/12/16 14:46:40] <agaffney> I've seen it do this in every version I've used from 0.24.8 to 2.6.7 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 14:49:20] <walterheck> hmmz | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:03:23] <gepetto> ::redmine:: Wiki edit: Internal_Development_Process (#64) @ http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Internal_Development_Process?version=64 (by Jason McKerr) | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:23:29] <lindenle_> Hi all | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:23:46] <lindenle_> Having a strange issue ona couple of machines. None of the facts seem to make it up to the master | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:24:18] <agaffney> lindenle_: none at all, or just custom facts? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:25:18] <lindenle_> agaffney: none at all (the yaml node file has no parameters | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:25:49] <agaffney> fun | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:25:52] <agaffney> never seen that before | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:26:18] <lindenle_> i saw it yesterday and we moved to puppet 2.7.6 from 2.7.3 and it seemed to fix it...but now I am unsre if that actually was it | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:28:31] <lindenle_> Is there some way to tell the client that it must send up facts again? Or to tell the master to drop everything it thinks it knows? | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:29:48] <lindenle_> I think this is some caching issue but not sure how to fix it. Facter on the guest seems to be working but they never make it up to the master. | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:31:04] <agaffney> lindenle_: the client should send facts on every catalog run | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:31:17] <lindenle_> i know...this is strange | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:44:37] <Guest49688> I'm able to run a puppet module I wrote on a remote machine, but I cannot figure out how to copy a config file over. I thought something like this would work: source => "puppet:///modules/ntp/files/ntp.conf", | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:44:53] <danblack> remove the "files" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:45:20] <danblack> so puppet://modules/ntp/ntp.conf | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:46:15] <corwin7> err: /Stage[main]/Ntp/File[ntp.conf]: Could not evaluate: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known Could not retrieve file metadata for puppet://modules/ntp/ntp.conf: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known at /etc/puppet/modules/ntp/manifests/init.pp:28 | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:46:35] <corwin7> Looks like I'm getting a different error and it's hosts related....? | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:46:37] <danblack> 3 slashes after puppet:/ | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:47:04] <danblack> 'puppet:///' | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:47:35] <danblack> two slashes make it look for the 'modules' server | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:48:00] <corwin7> Awesome!!! Thank you very much danblack. :) | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:48:56] <danblack> easy - was making the same mistakes a few dayd ago | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:49:30] <corwin7> cool. You saved me a bunch of aggrivation. | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:52:11] <danblack> np. strace is pretty cool for solving file not found problems in process. strace -fe trace=open -p {processid} | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:53:00] <agaffney> strace is a valuable tool for "black box" applications | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:56:24] <corwin7> I hear a lot about dtrace | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:57:16] <danblack> depends weither you want to trace libary calls of system calls. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:58:32] <WALoeIII> I have a custom function in modules/foreman/lib/puppet/.... | ||
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| [2011/12/16 16:58:38] <WALoeIII> how do I get to invoke this on my puppetmaster | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:58:43] <WALoeIII> I have pluginsync on | ||
| [2011/12/16 16:58:46] <WALoeIII> does that move it to lib? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 17:17:39] <danblack> WALoeIII: on another module recently i needed to do: puppet agent -t --pluginsync --environment production | ||
| [2011/12/16 17:18:21] <danblack> on the client. I'd like to understand it more or work out why the puppet.conf setting isn't sufficient at some stage | ||
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| [2011/12/16 18:03:40] <danblack> i don't suppose there is a way to interate over a set parameter in a defined type? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 18:16:29] <danblack> nm. did a local define using $name and it was pretty neat. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 18:25:50] <jmt_too> so i'm quite sure there's a better way to do this than how i'm trying to do it, but i'd like to see if anyone has a quick trick to fix my problem. | ||
| [2011/12/16 18:26:12] <jmt_too> i'm building a class that rely's on a mostly-stock instance of example42's apache class | ||
| [2011/12/16 18:26:37] <jmt_too> i'm trying to test it on a vm before i push it into our version control repo | ||
| [2011/12/16 18:27:50] <jmt_too> end result of my "puppet apply --modulepath=/path/to/my/modules -e 'include testclass' is this | ||
| [2011/12/16 18:28:33] <jmt_too> Puppet::Parser::AST::Resource failed with error ArgumentError: Invalid resource type config at X | ||
| [2011/12/16 18:29:25] <jmt_too> is there a trick i haven't found to get it to pull in the example42 common stuff? it's not defined as a class, the init.pp in that module directory just includes the defines i need. | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:12:00] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | November Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-11" | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:12:00] @ Topic set by haus!haus@reaver.cat.pdx.edu on Mon Dec 12 16:15:35 -0800 2011 | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:17:52] <eric0> has anyone successfully found and fixed a dependency problem by looking at a .dot file? | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:30:26] <whack> eric0: yes! | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:30:37] <whack> but not without help | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:31:00] <whack> actually I lied. So there's two methods. | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:31:08] <whack> 1) Have a tool that detects cycles in .dot graphs | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:31:34] <whack> 2) Have a tool that takes the "Oh snap, dependency cycle!" erroro message from puppet and finds the minimal cycle of that graph | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:31:53] <whack> #2 is waaay easyer and I have some hack somewhere as well as nigelk has something somewhere. Lemme see if I can find it. | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:31:54] <gepetto> whack: #2 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/2 "Puppet - Feature #2: Add 'link' ability to File. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to Luke Kanies" | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:32:44] <whack> gepetto: you are so helpful | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:33:13] <eric0> at first i was like :-D but then i was like http://skitch.com/ahpook/g1dyr/puppet-graph | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:33:42] <whack> eric0: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/3756 has mine I think | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:34:51] <eric0> heh my first stab was to take that same error and s/,/\n/ to get something line-oriented | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:35:32] <eric0> ah good call using AP | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:41:17] <eric0> oh yeah thats way better http://skitch.com/ahpook/g1dy5/just-error-graph | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:44:21] <agaffney> the only time I've ever generated a dep graph is when I was having trouble with circular dependencies when trying to add run stages to an existing setup | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:44:26] <agaffney> it was an...interesting graph | ||
| [2011/12/16 22:45:22] * eric0 installs that script locally as graph-cycle-unfucker.rb | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:46:43] <agaffney> I will have to remember that | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:53:39] <whack> agaffney: last graph I took a picture of was this: http://semicomplete.com/images/puppet-loggly-graph.png | ||
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| [2011/12/16 22:54:24] <whack> and I think that's a 'small' graph | ||
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| [2011/12/16 23:00:19] <whack> eric0: that screenshot you posted, see what I Mean about 'minimal' cycle graph? | ||
| [2011/12/16 23:00:27] <whack> there's stuff in that graph that *isn't* part of a cycle | ||
| [2011/12/16 23:00:30] <whack> which is super annoying | ||
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| [2011/12/16 23:07:39] <eric0> yeah the error logs friend-of-a-friend level relationships between teh resources that have the problem | ||
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| [2011/12/16 23:10:45] <eric0> and in this case, the problem wasnt the two resources that have the loop drawn between them there | ||
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| [2011/12/16 23:22:15] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | November Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-11" | ||
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| [2011/12/16 23:54:05] <eric0> all happy now, beertime. | ||
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