Friday, 2011-12-23

[2011/12/23 00:00:05] @ Log started by gepetto
[2011/12/23 00:00:05] <whack> gucki: it means puppet is failing to see that it is running already
[2011/12/23 00:00:19] <whack> meaning the way it checks the status of the service is not correct
[2011/12/23 00:00:38] <gucki> whack: yeah, but why and how can it debug & fix it? :)
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[2011/12/23 00:03:51] <whack> gucki: Depending on your version of puppet, puppet uses different methods to check for the service.
[2011/12/23 00:03:53] <joe-mac1> debug by running puppet in debug mode, fix it by using pattern, or status parameters
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[2011/12/23 00:04:23] <whack> on older versions you're running it'll probably use 'ps' to find it, which is often wrong. You want to set the 'status' param in your service to tell puppet how to check if the service is up
[2011/12/23 00:04:27] <whack> what joe-mac1 said
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[2011/12/23 01:23:38] <ETMA> Hi.. are there any way to put defines in a surden stage, except for just running it in Stage['main'] ?
[2011/12/23 01:25:28] <Dominic> ETMA: you need to put them in a class, then assign the class to the stage
[2011/12/23 01:25:56] <ETMA> hmm.. Okay.. - do I need to change the way I call them then?
[2011/12/23 01:27:34] <Dominic> ETMA: I don't see why, just put them in a class
[2011/12/23 01:27:46] <ETMA> rgr.. I will try.. - thank you
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[2011/12/23 01:37:10] <ETMA> Dominic: now I have it like this: http://pastebin.com/NbCZjEFP - however, I get an error saying "invalid resource type base::line at ..." - haven't changed anything there.. - the class do get loaded, it doesn't complain when I set the stage for it..
[2011/12/23 01:38:13] <Dominic> ETMA: oh, I meant putting the define resources themselves in classes. It doesn't make sense to put a definition in a class, only resources.
[2011/12/23 01:38:29] <ETMA> that's what I thought.. was kinda confused over it :)
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[2011/12/23 01:38:39] <ETMA> okay.. - makes more sense to me.. thanks :)
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[2011/12/23 01:41:46] * f3ew wonders if there's an official way to tell Puppet to use a different structure for exported resources
[2011/12/23 01:42:17] <f3ew> (We already have everything we need to export in a provisioning database, so we would prefer to use that to generate NagIOS configs)
[2011/12/23 01:42:19] <ETMA> okay.. that worked.. thanks.. :)
[2011/12/23 01:44:08] <ETMA> another question.. - in my node, I defined Package { provider => ports, } to make all packages installed through the freebsd ports instead of pkg_add.. - however it doesnt do it on all packages I add? - but some.. - and I havent explicitly said provider on the other packages (other than portupgrade).. - any idea or will you need to see some code?
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[2011/12/23 02:24:38] <Zugschlus> hi
[2011/12/23 02:28:44] <Zugschlus> which docs do I read when I want to learn Puppet (not Puppet Enterprise)? The docs.puppetlabs.com does feature puppet enterprise docs prominently, but I cannot seem to find anything for "normal" puppet.
[2011/12/23 02:29:43] <f3ew> Zugschlus: just scoll down
[2011/12/23 02:30:08] <f3ew> Everything after puppet-dashboard is normal Puppet
[2011/12/23 02:30:33] <Zugschlus> f3ew: ah, thanks. that was not clear to me
[2011/12/23 02:30:41] <ETMA> Otherwise, I can strongly recommend reading the "pro puppet" book from Apress.. - it helped me alot..
[2011/12/23 02:31:18] <Zugschlus> ETMA: is on my to-do list
[2011/12/23 02:31:33] <Zugschlus> i just prefer online docs since books are usually never where I am
[2011/12/23 02:31:52] <ETMA> how come this (http://pastebin.com/A79meh66) doesn't change my default package provider for all packages where there's not explicit set an provider within the package on the node in question?
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[2011/12/23 02:43:53] <Dominic> Zugschlus: the Learning Puppet tutorial is good for learning about manifest-writing: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/learning/
[2011/12/23 02:44:12] <Dominic> I think they do an ebook of the pro puppet book too :)
[2011/12/23 02:45:30] <Zugschlus> Dominic: yes, already processing ;)
[2011/12/23 02:45:54] <Zugschlus> unfortunately, that doesn't help in the short run fixing a rule which a colleague broke two months ago without noticing :-/
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[2011/12/23 02:52:21] <Zugschlus> <= too stupid to start the learning VM on kvm
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[2011/12/23 02:58:02] <ETMA> how come this (http://pastebin.com/A79meh66) doesn't change my default package provider for all packages where there's not explicit set an provider within the package on the node in question?
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[2011/12/23 04:13:38] <less_than_puppet> is it better to have puppet dashboard on the same node as puppet master? Especially if running through mod_passenger (apache)?
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[2011/12/23 05:14:40] <Kazuhiro> Are there any maintenance jobs to clear out puppet-dashboard's spool directory? I have over 5gb of yaml files there...
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[2011/12/23 05:27:11] <Cthululz> remember when google first started? everyone shit themselves at what it brought to the internet.. well welcome to the next pants shitting: http://tawlk.com you can search social networks in real time and see what people are saying as it happens
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[2011/12/23 05:27:26] <Cthululz> search video audio and text in real time
[2011/12/23 05:27:30] <Cthululz> see what people are saying
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[2011/12/23 05:27:51] <Cthululz> across multiple social networks such as facebook and google+
[2011/12/23 05:28:10] <Cthululz> have fun! :)
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[2011/12/23 06:29:15] <ETMA> how come this (http://pastebin.com/A79meh66) doesn't change my default package provider for all packages where there's not explicit set an provider within the package on the node in question?
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[2011/12/23 06:44:03] <Dominic> ETMA: I keep ignoring this because your paste doesn't show anything of value. There aren't any package resources in it that would be affected by changing the default.
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[2011/12/23 06:45:50] <ETMA> the packages are included in the hwmysql node I'm inheriting from.. - however, since there isn't any provider explicitly writting within these packages, shouldn't they use the default package provider as written in the node 'pupclientbsd.danhost.dk' ?
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[2011/12/23 06:47:49] <Dominic> ETMA: ok, that wasn't at all clear from your question. In which case, no, changing the default in that node won't affect them for the normal node inheritance reasons outlined here: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/troubleshooting.html#node-inheritance-and-variable-scope
[2011/12/23 06:49:52] <ETMA> sorry then.. - so I have to change my hwmysql node to a class and include that instead ?
[2011/12/23 06:50:23] <Dominic> that would work
[2011/12/23 06:50:29] <ETMA> okay thanks
[2011/12/23 06:51:11] <Dominic> you're best off avoiding node inheritance - it never does what you expect it to, and it makes it easier to use an ENC or similar in the future
[2011/12/23 06:53:33] <ETMA> dont know what ENC is :)
[2011/12/23 06:55:09] <Dominic> external node classifier, a command that the puppetmaster runs when a node checks in and the script returns a list of classes, variables and the environment for the node. You can go and query an inventory database or integrate to whatever you want then to pull back the node's config.
[2011/12/23 06:56:18] <ETMA> okay
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[2011/12/23 07:10:08] <ETMA> I assume it's still okay to inherit from a dummy node in which I have defined the stages and nothing else?
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[2011/12/23 07:11:21] <Dominic> yes
[2011/12/23 07:12:41] <ETMA> if I'm defining the default provider, but in one of the packages have defined another provider, it shouldn't change the default should it?
[2011/12/23 07:13:01] <Dominic> no
[2011/12/23 07:13:12] <ETMA> guess I have an error somewhere else then.. :)
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[2011/12/23 07:32:00] <codec> is it possible to write custom confines for facter?
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[2011/12/23 07:34:53] <ETMA> I have these classes/nodes - I believe it should work, but I might have missed something.. - vim is installed with pkg_add instead of through ports, but I cant comprehend why.. http://pastebin.com/5kyuxMi1
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[2011/12/23 07:37:03] <marksteele> any tips for running puppet dashboard on selinux system?
[2011/12/23 07:37:06] <marksteele> (centos 5.7)
[2011/12/23 07:37:20] <marksteele> selinux no likey passenger
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[2011/12/23 07:39:03] <ewoud> marksteele: I will lose connection soon, but there is a good repo which I have used with success
[2011/12/23 07:40:05] <ewoud> can't find it here in the train though
[2011/12/23 07:40:12] <shuff> do you mean http://passenger.stealthymonkeys.com/ ?
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[2011/12/23 07:46:08] <ETMA> Dominic: do you have any idea?
[2011/12/23 07:46:51] <marksteele> passenger the RoR thing
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[2011/12/23 07:53:07] <Dominic> ETMA: you're including the vim class from your inherited node ("base") again and expecting changes in your derived node to affect it
[2011/12/23 07:53:13] <Dominic> just steer clear
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[2011/12/23 07:54:31] <ETMA> is the class { "vim":stage => install; } including the class ?
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[2011/12/23 07:54:37] <Dominic> yes
[2011/12/23 07:55:48] <ETMA> so I have to move that part out of the node and into a class? otherwise I'm having troubles seeing how to build a chain in a smart way..
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[2011/12/23 07:56:45] <ajburton> can someone recommend a reference to a working example of stages?
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[2011/12/23 08:01:45] <ETMA> oh well.. it worked when I moved it into base::initbsd class.. - thanks Dominic :)
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[2011/12/23 08:29:38] <devicenull> I guess I could build some RPM's, but that's a lot more work to setup
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[2011/12/23 09:17:49] <marksteele> argh ruby dependancy hell
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[2011/12/23 09:18:00] <agaffney> marksteele: I feel for you
[2011/12/23 09:18:01] <marksteele> getting puppet dashboard working on centos 5.7
[2011/12/23 09:18:05] <marksteele> is sheer stupidity
[2011/12/23 09:18:22] <agaffney> getting any modern ruby anything working on EL5 is a PITA
[2011/12/23 09:18:22] <marksteele> holiday break time
[2011/12/23 09:18:28] <agaffney> almost everything requires 1.8.7 these days
[2011/12/23 09:18:51] <marksteele> also, getting 1.8.7 working on centos 5.7 PITA
[2011/12/23 09:18:57] <marksteele> bzzttzz
[2011/12/23 09:19:54] <agaffney> that one is at least doable
[2011/12/23 09:19:59] <agaffney> I've done the RPM builds myself for it
[2011/12/23 09:20:07] <agaffney> and the couple of other packages you have to build for dependencies
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[2011/12/23 09:20:20] <agaffney> since then, I think somebody has published the RPMs for doing that
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[2011/12/23 09:28:37] <aricg> anyone using different [environments]? How well supported is it?
[2011/12/23 09:29:06] <ETMA> you mean like unix and linux?
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[2011/12/23 09:29:44] <aricg> no, like development production
[2011/12/23 09:29:55] <aricg> so you can have diffrent sets of modules
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[2011/12/23 09:30:22] <Dominic> aricg: it works ok, but there are some caveats. You can't have different master-side functions, the ENC support is a little broken etc.
[2011/12/23 09:30:30] <ETMA> well.. I've set it up so we have a svn for developement and when it's working as it should, I move it to the other svn repo
[2011/12/23 09:30:41] <Dominic> aricg: for pure modules, manifests and pluginsync it works well though, use it.
[2011/12/23 09:31:17] <aricg> thanks
[2011/12/23 09:31:37] <bewie> Hi
[2011/12/23 09:31:44] <agaffney> aricg: it works quite well
[2011/12/23 09:31:48] <agaffney> we use it for "testing"
[2011/12/23 09:32:06] <agaffney> each committer to the puppet repo has a separate environment that points to the puppet git repo checkout in their home dir
[2011/12/23 09:32:23] <agaffney> so to test uncommitted changes, we just 'puppetd -t --environment=myuser'
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[2011/12/23 09:32:54] <aricg> cool
[2011/12/23 09:33:00] <bewie> I try to check if an exported resource is already defined with: if defined(File["${groupname}"]) {...} but is already false...
[2011/12/23 09:33:17] <bewie> Is not possible to check an virtual resource?
[2011/12/23 09:33:35] <agaffney> virtual/exported resources aren't visible until they are realized/collected
[2011/12/23 09:33:40] <aricg> i'm going to go for it then, I'd like the developers to be as close to production as possible.
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[2011/12/23 09:38:10] <bewie> agaffney: hum okay
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[2011/12/23 10:22:42] <aricg> im trying to setup diffrent production and development environment, the documentation is a bit scant. any help would appreciated. http://privatepaste.com/4b5919d33a
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[2011/12/23 10:24:53] <Dominic> aricg: lines 29 and 30 look wrong to me, shouldn't "production" and "development" dirs contain "modules", rather than the other way around?
[2011/12/23 10:25:09] <Dominic> the path should be /etc/puppet/production/modules
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[2011/12/23 10:26:03] <chjohnst> curious, was the puppet dashboard CLI face integrated into puppet mainline?
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[2011/12/23 10:30:50] <aricg> thanks!
[2011/12/23 10:34:39] <aricg> sweet, thanks for finding my typo Dominic, nothing like an extra pair of eyes.
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[2011/12/23 10:34:56] <Dominic> no problem
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[2011/12/23 11:37:41] <jpalmer> question for the puppet pros. my normal kickstart file has a section for software I want installed when the machine is provisioned. However, since I'm moving to puppet, I'd actually like the kickstart basically do nothing but get the base OS installed, and bootstrap a puppet run. puppet should handle installing all of those modules. so my question is:
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[2011/12/23 11:39:11] <jpalmer> lets say I have a whole list of pacages in the kickstart.. do you guys generally make a module for each piece? ie, a module for vim, one for screen, one for bzip2, etc..
[2011/12/23 11:39:36] <jpalmer> or do you make a "meta module" like "editors" and include your vi, vim, emacs, etc all in 1 module.
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[2011/12/23 11:40:03] <jpalmer> or even a "baseOS" meta module, that includes all of these things in 1 module..
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[2011/12/23 11:43:13] <unixdaemon> jpalmer: both, I have a basepackages module for all the little bits like lsof, strace etc and then I break them out in to modules when I have at least a couple of other things that depend on them
[2011/12/23 11:43:31] <unixdaemon> SO when I use libvirt and mcollective i include a module for ruby-libvirt-client
[2011/12/23 11:43:47] <unixdaemon> Before that it lives in the big mixing pot module
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[2011/12/23 11:47:11] <jpalmer> unixdaemon: that makes sense. if it's not a dependency for something else.. it gets added ina meta module.
[2011/12/23 11:48:01] <jpalmer> I really didn't want to have 50 modules, just to get "basic" functionality installed on each server, in addition to the stuff specific to that servers role. heh.
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[2011/12/23 11:48:23] <unixdaemon> Sounds like your on the right track.
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[2011/12/23 12:17:18] <aricg> how do I make puppet run through and not apply any changes, just show and output of what would have changed? like a smoke test...
[2011/12/23 12:17:59] <unixdaemon> Add a --noop
[2011/12/23 12:18:05] <aricg> sweet thanks
[2011/12/23 12:18:24] <unixdaemon> And then you can do a --no-noop to make it run, which is funny but true.
[2011/12/23 12:18:39] <aricg> wait what?
[2011/12/23 12:18:50] <aricg> so --no-noop is the same as.
[2011/12/23 12:18:53] <aricg> " "
[2011/12/23 12:18:56] <aricg> a blank?
[2011/12/23 12:18:59] <unixdaemon> Yep :)
[2011/12/23 12:19:03] <aricg> hehe
[2011/12/23 12:19:13] <aricg> how can the dev tell if that command is ignored or not ? ;)
[2011/12/23 12:19:14] <unixdaemon> That's your trick for the day :)
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[2011/12/23 12:19:39] <aricg> bug #1232 --no-noop is not working!!!
[2011/12/23 12:19:40] <gepetto> aricg: #1232 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/1232 "Puppet - Bug #1232: puppetd should not require the 'puppet' user. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to James Turnbull"
[2011/12/23 12:19:58] <aricg> lol. ive woken the bot
[2011/12/23 12:20:10] <aricg> should have picked a higher number
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[2011/12/23 12:23:05] <aricg> bug #1
[2011/12/23 12:23:05] <gepetto> aricg: #1 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/1 "Puppet - Feature #1: Differentiate classes from definitions. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to Luke Kanies"
[2011/12/23 12:23:13] <aricg> aww....
[2011/12/23 12:23:28] <aricg> should be cfengine has market share
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[2011/12/23 12:24:27] <Stuttergart_> hola, everyone.
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[2011/12/23 12:24:59] <Stuttergart_> Anyone here have Puppet Enterprise experience?
[2011/12/23 12:26:30] <aricg> its been pretty quiet here today, i personally have none
[2011/12/23 12:27:06] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: What sort of questions do you have? I do, being one of the devs at Puppet Labs, but maybe that isn't what you are after?
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[2011/12/23 12:27:49] <Stuttergart_> dpittman: I think that qualifies as "experience". ;)
[2011/12/23 12:28:21] <Stuttergart_> I'm having an odd install issue. pe-httpd certs aren't getting created for some reason. Not familiar enough with rake to suss out what is happening.
[2011/12/23 12:28:55] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Not exactly my area, but I know a few people have had problems in that space recently.
[2011/12/23 12:29:16] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: They *should* just be the master certificates, I think.
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[2011/12/23 12:29:50] <Stuttergart_> the keys are in place but the pems aren't getting generated which makes pe-httpd very unhappy at startup
[2011/12/23 12:30:15] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Yeah, it would. You said something about rake?
[2011/12/23 12:30:27] <Stuttergart_> I've not seen anything in any of the support literature about it and google search on the error strings isn't turning up a whole lot
[2011/12/23 12:30:48] <Stuttergart_> well, it appears as though the certs are generated as part of a rake run but I might be wrong
[2011/12/23 12:30:50] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: It wouldn't be aborting rake with a 400, bad request, would it?
[2011/12/23 12:30:57] <Stuttergart_> I'm only just cutting my teeth with the ruby toolchain
[2011/12/23 12:31:11] <Stuttergart_> let me pastebin the relevant log stuff
[2011/12/23 12:31:12] <Stuttergart_> just a sec
[2011/12/23 12:31:47] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Thanks.
[2011/12/23 12:32:16] <Stuttergart_> http://pastebin.com/cD5B3ABs
[2011/12/23 12:32:30] <Stuttergart_> "rake aborted!"
[2011/12/23 12:33:00] <Stuttergart_> this is from an installer run with debug and logging
[2011/12/23 12:33:01] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Damn. That does look different from anything I can find, too.
[2011/12/23 12:33:16] <Stuttergart_> the os is Ubuntu 10.04
[2011/12/23 12:33:21] <Stuttergart_> worked on a Rackspace VM earlier
[2011/12/23 12:33:29] <Stuttergart_> but this is on a different cloud provider
[2011/12/23 12:33:31] <dpittman> 64-bit machine?
[2011/12/23 12:33:35] <Stuttergart_> yup
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[2011/12/23 12:33:52] <Stuttergart_> in both cases, 64bit Ubuntu 10.04
[2011/12/23 12:34:01] <dpittman> We seem to have a pattern of problems on 64-bit systems that we can't yet track down, but I don't know exactly what it is, and neither does anyone else yet.
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[2011/12/23 12:34:11] <Stuttergart_> oh, interesting
[2011/12/23 12:34:26] <Stuttergart_> so maybe I should just give a 32-bit OS a try and possibly avoid further issues down the road?
[2011/12/23 12:34:32] <dpittman> Can you put a report in on projects.puppetlabs.com with the debug output, and the answers file, plus os details?
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[2011/12/23 12:34:40] <Stuttergart_> absolutely!
[2011/12/23 12:34:47] <Stuttergart_> that would be awesome
[2011/12/23 12:35:01] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Check the answers file for passwords before you send it!
[2011/12/23 12:35:04] <Stuttergart_> I'll also do an installer run with 32bit and if that works post the log to the ticket
[2011/12/23 12:35:15] <Stuttergart_> ha. will do
[2011/12/23 12:35:23] <Stuttergart_> Thanks for your help!
[2011/12/23 12:35:28] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Thanks. I suspect the 64-bit thing is just that lots of people use 64-bit today, but we will see. :)
[2011/12/23 12:35:37] <Stuttergart_> keep your fingers crossed on the 32bit thing. ;)
[2011/12/23 12:35:50] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Nothing past install is troublesome, that we have seen, and we totally support 64-bit, so no need to worry on that front.
[2011/12/23 12:36:16] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Give me the ticket number when you are done and I will forward it to the folks who have been looking into those problems, too.
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[2011/12/23 12:36:40] <Stuttergart_> Do you think this bug would be most appropriate under Dashboard?
[2011/12/23 12:36:58] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Probably under `puppet`, but we can move it later. Don't worry too much. :)
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[2011/12/23 12:54:11] <Stuttergart_> dpittman: https://imail.taos.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=2eb81be47f9c44618168f8a1c0a904ea&URL=https%3a%2f%2fprojects.puppetlabs.com%2fissues%2f11561
[2011/12/23 12:54:19] <Stuttergart_> hah
[2011/12/23 12:54:22] <Stuttergart_> doh
[2011/12/23 12:54:37] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: I grabbed the number, which was sufficient. :)
[2011/12/23 12:54:38] <Stuttergart_> https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/11561
[2011/12/23 12:54:41] <Stuttergart_> that's better
[2011/12/23 12:54:53] <Stuttergart_> awesome
[2011/12/23 12:54:56] <Stuttergart_> thx for your help
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[2011/12/23 12:55:07] <Stuttergart_> does that look like sufficient information?
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[2011/12/23 12:55:41] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: to me, yeah. I will ping the folks actually looking into the installer issues, and they will get back to you if they need more.
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[2011/12/23 12:55:54] <Stuttergart_> great!
[2011/12/23 12:55:59] <Stuttergart_> I'm going to keep cranking on it
[2011/12/23 12:56:04] <jantman> anyone know why the Events tab would be empty in Dashboard when using a 0.25.5 client?
[2011/12/23 12:56:06] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Be warned, our office is closed today, and on Monday next week, plus people love holidays around now, so I don't know quite how soon it will be.
[2011/12/23 12:56:20] <Stuttergart_> y
[2011/12/23 12:56:23] <Stuttergart_> understood
[2011/12/23 12:56:41] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: If you have a support contract, which I should have asked earlier, you can probably get help sooner following up that way, too. :)
[2011/12/23 12:56:44] <Stuttergart_> unfortunate timing as I have a project that is due early in Jan and it is sort of dependent on PE at this point so...
[2011/12/23 12:56:50] <Stuttergart_> but we'll see
[2011/12/23 12:56:57] <Stuttergart_> not yet
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[2011/12/23 12:57:00] <Stuttergart_> this is a pilot
[2011/12/23 12:57:19] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: Someone should look at it come Tuesday. If not, ask around here again, or just ping me by name here. :)
[2011/12/23 12:57:33] <Stuttergart_> cool cool
[2011/12/23 12:57:33] <Stuttergart_> thx
[2011/12/23 12:57:36] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: I can't promise instant response, but I should get notified and be able to follow up.
[2011/12/23 12:57:36] <Stuttergart_> have a good xmas
[2011/12/23 12:57:37] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: NP.
[2011/12/23 12:57:38] <Stuttergart_> !
[2011/12/23 12:57:41] <dpittman> Stuttergart_: You too. :)
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[2011/12/23 13:00:13] <jantman> anyone know why the Events tab would be empty in Dashboard when using a 0.25.5 client, but work fine with newer (2.6.x) clients?
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[2011/12/23 13:06:56] <chjohnst> what ver of dash
[2011/12/23 13:07:11] <jantman> 1.2.3
[2011/12/23 13:07:25] <chjohnst> im trying to get 2.5.1 clients to report correctly myself
[2011/12/23 13:07:43] <jantman> hmm...
[2011/12/23 13:07:49] <jantman> you mean 0.25.1?
[2011/12/23 13:07:54] <chjohnst> yes
[2011/12/23 13:07:55] <jantman> ok
[2011/12/23 13:08:06] <chjohnst> I am upgrading to 2.7.9 on a few hosts to see if it resolves problem
[2011/12/23 13:08:12] <jantman> ok
[2011/12/23 13:08:12] <chjohnst> due for an upgrade
[2011/12/23 13:08:36] <jantman> i'm running 2.6.12 on my master and most clients
[2011/12/23 13:09:07] <jantman> but i have a few legacy SLES9 boxes that were running in a separate 0.25.5 infrastructure
[2011/12/23 13:09:33] <jantman> they report, but no Events tab, and the *whole* file contents shows up in the Log tab where it should just have the md5sum
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[2011/12/23 13:23:22] <brett_h> What can assign foo to such that this will be false in a template? <% if foo %>
[2011/12/23 13:23:30] <brett_h> Empty string, null, undef, undefined all don't work
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[2011/12/23 13:37:05] <henk> brett_h: try: false
[2011/12/23 13:37:08] <henk> :)
[2011/12/23 13:37:55] <chjohnst> jantman
[2011/12/23 13:38:05] <chjohnst> yea I upgraded and reports work now, bizzare
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[2011/12/23 13:47:22] <jantman> sorry, disappeared for a few
[2011/12/23 13:47:25] <jantman> cool
[2011/12/23 13:47:37] <jantman> unfortunately my nodes are SLES9, so upgrading isn't an option...
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[2011/12/23 14:16:10] <jantman> anyone know why the Events tab would be empty in Dashboard 1.2.3 when using a 0.25.5 client, but work fine with newer (2.6.x) clients?
[2011/12/23 14:17:15] <nlew> jantman: Reports from 0.25 clients don't have as much information (including events). That's expected.
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[2011/12/23 14:17:55] <jantman> ah ok
[2011/12/23 14:18:21] <jantman> and what about the fact that Dashboard seems to be showing the **full* file contents where it should just show an md5sum?
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[2011/12/23 14:20:09] <jantman> i mean... it's bad enough I can't use the filebucket viewer with the old clients
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[2011/12/23 14:21:18] <jantman> but i replace a 1500 line file, and in the Log tab, I see "Filebucketed /etc/foobar to main with sum #dd: (... 1500 lines of text...)"
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[2011/12/23 14:31:35] <devicenull> how would I have a variable in a template, that's ignored if it's not set
[2011/12/23 14:31:48] <devicenull> <%= varaible %> doesn't seem to work, I get an error saying could not find value
[2011/12/23 14:32:06] <taggart> boklm: ping
[2011/12/23 14:32:09] <jantman> set a default value in the manifest that uses the template
[2011/12/23 14:32:22] <jantman> or wrap it in an if defined block
[2011/12/23 14:32:45] <henk> variable || nil?
[2011/12/23 14:33:13] <devicenull> || nil will probably work, thanks
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[2011/12/23 14:37:26] <mw46> hello, I did my upgrade from 0.25.5 -> 2.7.9 but now my master (host) wrote more than 14G of reports in about a day?!
[2011/12/23 14:37:52] <mw46> that was somewhat of a surprise
[2011/12/23 14:37:59] <failure> :)
[2011/12/23 14:38:19] <mw46> I did not particularly enable reports anywhere.
[2011/12/23 14:38:21] <failure> whats in the log ?
[2011/12/23 14:38:32] <failure> maybe you update did ?
[2011/12/23 14:38:47] <failure> you/your
[2011/12/23 14:38:56] <devicenull> bleh. this is all screwed up, I'm trying to use erb to fill in some variables in some php code, but it seems that erb keeps trying to parse part of the php. any ideas as to wtf it would be trying to parse?
[2011/12/23 14:39:18] <mw46> in the logs there is nothing special. the clients connect and get their catalogs ....
[2011/12/23 14:39:53] <jantman> devicenull: can I ask why you'd be using an ERB template to fill in variables... in PHP code???
[2011/12/23 14:40:02] <devicenull> it's a config file for my site
[2011/12/23 14:40:05] <failure> mw46: hmm, and thats 14G of logs ? how often is it connecting ?
[2011/12/23 14:40:23] <devicenull> using a php file like that for configs is pretty common w/PHP
[2011/12/23 14:40:28] <jantman> well ERB probably doesn't like something in php, probably the beginning < if I had to guess
[2011/12/23 14:40:45] <mw46> it's 14G of reports in <puppet_work_dir>reports/<clients>/...
[2011/12/23 14:40:45] <jantman> yes I know, but it's not pretty common to populate it as an ERB template :)
[2011/12/23 14:41:05] <jantman> my guess offhand would be the <?php and ?> tags
[2011/12/23 14:41:09] <mw46> the clients connect about every two minutes
[2011/12/23 14:41:23] <failure> mw46: ok, grep -r report /etc/puppet/ on the client
[2011/12/23 14:41:25] <mw46> and there are 100-150 of them
[2011/12/23 14:41:45] <mw46> nothing in there
[2011/12/23 14:41:47] <jantman> I know PHP has builtin functions to parse INI-type files, which wouldn't have those syntactical issues
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[2011/12/23 14:42:07] <mw46> my puppet.conf is puppet controlled ;-)
[2011/12/23 14:42:19] <failure> mw46: hmm strange default is false
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[2011/12/23 14:42:30] <devicenull> yea
[2011/12/23 14:42:31] <failure> mw46: nothing in /etc/default/puppet ?
[2011/12/23 14:42:38] <failure> mw46: what os is it ?
[2011/12/23 14:42:40] <devicenull> it's a matter of I'm trying to change the app as little as possible to get it working with puppet
[2011/12/23 14:42:46] <mw46> I'm on [open]solaris;-)
[2011/12/23 14:42:52] <jantman> devicenull: yeah, I hear that...
[2011/12/23 14:43:07] <jantman> would it be possible to use File[] resources instead of a template?
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[2011/12/23 14:43:18] <failure> mw46: :) open for 4 days now ? :P
[2011/12/23 14:43:30] <devicenull> not really sure what you mean there
[2011/12/23 14:43:40] <jantman> I'm trying to think of ways around it, but I'm pretty sure ERB would be choking on the <?php ... ?>
[2011/12/23 14:43:54] <jantman> i mean having Puppet drop in a File instead of using a template
[2011/12/23 14:43:57] <mw46> no, still on the last officially released version;-)
[2011/12/23 14:43:58] <mzi> devicenull: check the template with 'erb -x -T '-' mytemplate.erb | ruby -c'
[2011/12/23 14:43:59] <mw46> https://gist.github.com/1515580
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[2011/12/23 14:44:10] <devicenull> mzi: yea, erb/ruby determine it to be ok
[2011/12/23 14:44:11] <failure> mw46: :)
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[2011/12/23 14:44:18] <devicenull> puppet though, throws Failed to apply catalog: Parameter source failed: Cannot use relative URLs
[2011/12/23 14:44:27] <devicenull> I can't find anything on google for that error message either
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[2011/12/23 14:44:36] <jantman> paste the source line here
[2011/12/23 14:44:46] <mzi> puppet agent --trace?
[2011/12/23 14:44:49] <jantman> source => template(),
[2011/12/23 14:45:08] <devicenull> source => template('myapp/local_settings.erb'),
[2011/12/23 14:45:18] <jantman> and if google failed, did you try grepping the source?
[2011/12/23 14:45:22] <failure> mw46: strange
[2011/12/23 14:45:44] <mw46> that's the same puppet.conf for the master and all the clients
[2011/12/23 14:45:48] <devicenull> I did not, no
[2011/12/23 14:45:48] <failure> mw46: and there is no other config puppet is using ?
[2011/12/23 14:46:08] <jantman> and it's at $PUPPETROOT/$env/modules/my_app/templates/local_settings.erb
[2011/12/23 14:46:15] <jantman> ohhh... does this happen to be MediaWiki?
[2011/12/23 14:46:17] <failure> mw46: have you checked the start stop script ?
[2011/12/23 14:46:38] <failure> mw46: and what happen if you set report = false
[2011/12/23 14:46:38] <devicenull> no, it's some custom software
[2011/12/23 14:46:41] <jantman> ok
[2011/12/23 14:46:50] <mw46> failure: I wrote most of them, adapted the ones from the source;-)
[2011/12/23 14:47:02] <devicenull> FUCK
[2011/12/23 14:47:04] <mw46> did not do that but I can
[2011/12/23 14:47:07] <devicenull> it's content =>
[2011/12/23 14:47:08] <devicenull> not source =>
[2011/12/23 14:47:12] <jantman> ahhhh
[2011/12/23 14:47:12] <jantman> lol
[2011/12/23 14:47:21] <jantman> well, I missed it too :)
[2011/12/23 14:48:02] <devicenull> turns out erb doesn't conflict with php at all ;)
[2011/12/23 14:48:03] <devicenull> thanks for the help
[2011/12/23 14:48:39] <mw46> failure: changed the template, let's see if that does anything
[2011/12/23 14:48:48] <taggart> boklm: I found your email address (I hope) and sent mail instead (re: sympa module)
[2011/12/23 14:49:05] <taggart> anybody else interested in working on a sympa module?
[2011/12/23 14:50:09] <mw46> taggart: I'm on a very old sympa:-( 5.3.3
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[2011/12/23 14:52:01] <failure> mw46: ok
[2011/12/23 14:52:41] <mw46> puppeting the report = false in the [main] section did not work so well:-(
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[2011/12/23 14:53:36] <taggart> mw46: 6.0.6 here, but part of my motivation of making a module is to get moved to newer upstream
[2011/12/23 14:54:21] <mw46> we have so many changes in our sympa sorce:-( so I don't really see a chance to upgrade any time soon:-(
[2011/12/23 14:55:05] <mw46> the problem is, we needed support for dynamically adding/deleting robots/subdomains.
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[2011/12/23 14:55:35] <taggart> mw46: complicated, I'm glad I am only dealing with one domain :)
[2011/12/23 14:56:16] <mw46> our next step is most likely a sympa-inspired rewrite:-( we have to get rid of the config files setup:-(
[2011/12/23 14:56:25] <mw46> it's simply too slow for us.
[2011/12/23 14:56:42] <taggart> mw46: we have lots of scenari and template diffs that I need to sort out. I am thinking of making a generic sympa module and then a site-sympa module to put all the site specific scenari/templates in
[2011/12/23 14:57:15] <taggart> mw46: we have patches that move the list config stuff into the database
[2011/12/23 14:57:34] <taggart> mw46: we have 11k lists :)
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[2011/12/23 14:58:34] <mw46> taggart: I'm probably in the area of 3-4 stacks reaching that, but in different sub-domains
[2011/12/23 14:59:50] <mw46> the problem is, sympa tries to `cache' a lot of the file info but that's already slow
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[2011/12/23 15:02:43] <mw46> failure: putting `report = false' in the [main] section did not really work:-(
[2011/12/23 15:02:57] <mw46> I guess it really has to go into the [agent] section
[2011/12/23 15:03:05] <failure> mw46: something is odd
[2011/12/23 15:03:26] <failure> mw46: report = false in [main]
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[2011/12/23 15:04:51] <mw46> failure: that resulted in --> Dec 23 22:51:09 kexdev27 puppet-agent[6265]: [ID 702911 daemon.error] Could not send report: Error 400 on SERVER: private method `gsub' called for false:FalseClass
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[2011/12/23 15:09:10] <mzi> mw46: and you typed 'report' and not 'reports'?
[2011/12/23 15:09:35] <mw46> failure: moving the report = false to the [agent] seems to work
[2011/12/23 15:09:43] <mw46> what should it be?
[2011/12/23 15:09:49] <mzi> 'report'
[2011/12/23 15:10:06] <mzi> 'reports' are the types of reports you want to send.
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[2011/12/23 15:10:56] <mw46> mzi: I'm not so sure if I want to send them;-)
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[2011/12/23 15:11:16] <mw46> I just was surprised that they showed up
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[2011/12/23 15:13:11] <mzi> true seems to be the default now.
[2011/12/23 15:13:19] <mzi> reading documentation :)
[2011/12/23 15:13:37] <failure> doh
[2011/12/23 15:13:44] <failure> i was looking in my man page :P
[2011/12/23 15:14:02] <mzi> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/latest/configuration.html#report
[2011/12/23 15:14:25] <mzi> and you're right, the report should be in the [agent] section.
[2011/12/23 15:14:29] <failure> evil to just switch like that :P
[2011/12/23 15:14:39] <failure> oo i have it in main
[2011/12/23 15:14:44] <failure> tho i run 2.6.2
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[2011/12/23 16:24:41] <Stuttergart_> anyone know which directories must be backed up for DR w/ Puppet Enterprise?
[2011/12/23 16:25:00] <Stuttergart_> doesn't seem to be any documentation on this....
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[2011/12/23 16:48:58] <mw46> Stuttergart_: I would assume you would just need the manifests and modules ....
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[2011/12/23 16:51:47] <mw46> assuming you have different masters and clients, even the ssl certs would be different between the two environments
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