Friday, 2011-12-30

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[2011/12/30 02:08:00] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | December Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-12 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames"
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[2011/12/30 02:17:04] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | December Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-12 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames"
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[2011/12/30 02:22:46] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen lak
[2011/12/30 02:22:46] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: lak was last seen 1 day, 7 hours, 2 minutes and 48 seconds ago, changing nick from lak to Guest39732
[2011/12/30 02:23:32] <jamesturnbull> #1234
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[2011/12/30 02:25:05] <jamesturnbull> #1234
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[2011/12/30 02:34:27] * nevyn yawns
[2011/12/30 02:34:36] <nevyn> friday!
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[2011/12/30 02:35:51] <jamesturnbull> gepetto: seen jamesturnbull
[2011/12/30 02:35:51] <gepetto> jamesturnbull was last seen just now, saying "seen jamesturnbull" in #puppet
[2011/12/30 02:36:08] <jamesturnbull> #1234
[2011/12/30 02:36:08] <gepetto> jamesturnbull: #1234 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/1234 "Puppet - Bug #1234: incorrect autotest info on wiki/WritingTests. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to Puppet Community"
[2011/12/30 02:37:34] <nevyn> yay fixed gepetto
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[2011/12/30 03:27:50] <nevyn> so I'm having some concern about bootstrapping sysadmins into puppet. and it might be because things that are obvious and awesome to me arn't to other sysadmins
[2011/12/30 03:28:36] <nevyn> in particular getting sysadmins up to speed on both puppet and git simultaneously seems to be difficult.
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[2011/12/30 03:32:15] <rodjek> nevyn: i'd say get them used to git first (shouldn't take long)
[2011/12/30 03:32:19] <rodjek> then try them on puppet
[2011/12/30 03:32:48] <nevyn> we also have new directives to hire lots of cheap sysadmins which is another worry
[2011/12/30 03:32:57] <nevyn> cheap people often are cheap for reasons
[2011/12/30 03:33:09] <rodjek> yeeep
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[2011/12/30 03:33:54] <rodjek> get them comfortable with the basic git pull, git commit, git push workflow
[2011/12/30 03:34:03] <rodjek> then get them used to branch & merge
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[2011/12/30 03:34:27] <rodjek> then get them started on basic edits to your puppet manifests to hone their git skills and get familiar with puppet
[2011/12/30 03:35:15] <nevyn> and we're inheriting a whole pile of real crap. (ancient solaris with unmirrored disks never been patched etc ) it's horror.
[2011/12/30 03:35:48] <rodjek> hah, acquisition?
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[2011/12/30 03:36:30] <nevyn> something like that.
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[2011/12/30 03:37:15] <nevyn> so we have a few guys who were in a nominally unix shop with more and more windows and we have a bunch of guys from windows shops that had a little unix for big oracle.
[2011/12/30 03:37:40] <nevyn> and we have a "brave new world project" whcih is introducing puppet and git and rhel
[2011/12/30 03:39:09] <rodjek> mmm, retrofitting existing setups with configuration management is hell
[2011/12/30 03:39:19] <nevyn> I've done it before.
[2011/12/30 03:39:36] <nevyn> so what I'm most concerned about
[2011/12/30 03:39:44] <bob2> i gave up and waited to replace all our centos machines with debian
[2011/12/30 03:39:46] <bob2> <- winnar
[2011/12/30 03:39:59] <nevyn> is getting enough competence in place that they don't mess up the greenfields stuff
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[2011/12/30 03:49:32] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | December Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-12 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames"
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[2011/12/30 03:50:50] <danblack> rodjek: good call. still failing on 'firewallchain = Puppet::Type.type(:firewallchain)' in the spec file
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[2011/12/30 03:56:13] <danblack> http://pastie.org/3094846 and http://pastie.org/3094847 if anyone feels like a problem. bb in 30min (food before shop close).
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[2011/12/30 04:01:28] <nan0r> Hi Puppet crew,
[2011/12/30 04:02:17] <nan0r> in the dashboard when I remove a host from the default group, at the next poll, it is in the default group again, any one an idea ?
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[2011/12/30 04:37:59] <jamesturnbull> nan0r: Puppet Enterprise? There's a cron job that adds nodes to the default group
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[2011/12/30 04:47:48] <danblack> yay - error found. can't have private methods in providers (maybe)
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[2011/12/30 05:39:44] <nan0r> jamesturnbull: yes puppet enterprise
[2011/12/30 05:39:55] <nan0r> ah ok thx
[2011/12/30 05:42:05] <KaZeR_W> is that expected ? debug: /Stage[main]/Common/Package[gentoo-sources]/ensure: gentoo-sources "3.0.6" is installed, latest is "2.6.38-r6"
[2011/12/30 05:42:05] <gepetto> KaZeR_W: r6 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/repositories/revision/puppet/6 "Revision 6d5c0f91"
[2011/12/30 05:43:53] <nan0r> another question, do you know how to make mcollective happy to speak with master ? (it says to me : `run' Failed to handle message: Received an invalid signature in message -)
[2011/12/30 05:43:58] <nan0r> ;)
[2011/12/30 05:44:55] <danblack> KaZeR_W: odd. Have you got stuff masked? What architecture? current stability is here http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
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[2011/12/30 05:53:33] <KaZeR_W> danblack, yes, for various reason i currently have >2.6.28 masked
[2011/12/30 05:53:47] <KaZeR_W> and 3.0.6 installed for testing
[2011/12/30 05:54:29] <danblack> looks like puppet understands that :-)
[2011/12/30 05:54:32] <nan0r> ok jamesturnbull: fixed
[2011/12/30 05:54:35] <nan0r> thx for your help
[2011/12/30 05:54:35] <nan0r> ;)
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[2011/12/30 05:55:59] <KaZeR_W> the problem is that currently it re-emerge the 2.6.28 package at each puppet run
[2011/12/30 05:56:00] <KaZeR_W> ery
[2011/12/30 05:59:29] <danblack> so unmask your 3.0.6 version
[2011/12/30 06:01:22] <KaZeR_W> mmm yes. but since 2.6.38 is also installed, couldn't puppet check that this version is installed before trying to install it?
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[2011/12/30 06:07:31] <de__> our puppet master has amnesia.
[2011/12/30 06:07:39] <de__> he gets all the facts from clients,
[2011/12/30 06:07:51] <de__> but for a run on the master himself he has no facts about himself at all.
[2011/12/30 06:08:00] <de__> i cleaned his facts recently out of mysql table "puppet.fact_values" and nothing is written there since.
[2011/12/30 06:08:12] <de__> i expected these values to be rewritten on the next puppet run.
[2011/12/30 06:08:28] <de__> does anyone have any idea what to do?
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[2011/12/30 06:15:49] <danblack> in a type can I change the default value of a property dependant on the resource name? if so how do I access the name?
[2011/12/30 06:16:27] <danblack> de__: puppet agent isn't running on the master?
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[2011/12/30 06:17:15] <de__> danblack: not the daemon, just puppet agent -t
[2011/12/30 06:18:56] <de__> ...but it is the same with the agent running in bg. no facts in mysql.
[2011/12/30 06:19:05] <danblack> not sure sorry. haven't played a lot with facter
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[2011/12/30 06:20:39] <de__> facter actually works, but puppet doesnt get the values :(
[2011/12/30 06:20:52] <de__> like hostname, ip, distribution, etc.
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[2011/12/30 06:31:05] <de__> problem was a puppet bug. fix is mentioned here: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/9109#note-15
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[2011/12/30 06:42:54] <hackeye> hi.. i'm trying to get one 'define' to require another... like this http://www.privatepaste.com/81bc12696c .. getting a syntax error at the 'require => A[],' line
[2011/12/30 06:44:34] <hackeye> is this kind of a declaration allowed or can i only have a 'require =>' in an instance of a definition?
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[2011/12/30 07:09:06] <danblack> hackeye: if it hasn't been answered defines are like macros so can't depend on each other. you'd make the resource that B creates depend on the resource created in A somehow
[2011/12/30 07:09:56] <hackeye> ok.. so basically the requires have to go into the instances and not the macros, right?
[2011/12/30 07:10:23] <danblack> yes
[2011/12/30 07:12:10] <hackeye> but that presents a couple of problems..
[2011/12/30 07:12:10] <hackeye> 1. i'll have to individually specify a require in every instance..
[2011/12/30 07:12:10] <hackeye> 2. that require itself will have to point to a specific instance of the required resource
[2011/12/30 07:12:51] <hackeye> not a deal-breaker in this case thankfully, but messy
[2011/12/30 07:13:47] <danblack> you can use B define that has A define in it
[2011/12/30 07:14:17] <danblack> define B(args) {A(args) .... }
[2011/12/30 07:14:22] <hackeye> nested you mean?
[2011/12/30 07:14:49] <danblack> defining one in terms of the other.
[2011/12/30 07:15:12] <hackeye> any documentation of that sort of thing you know of?
[2011/12/30 07:15:17] <danblack> your example is either too munged or maybe your missing some aspect of how to use them.
[2011/12/30 07:16:09] <danblack> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/learning/definedtypes.html
[2011/12/30 07:17:11] <hackeye> sorry.. that should have been a fairly obvious place to look :-)
[2011/12/30 07:17:14] <hackeye> thanks a bunch
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[2011/12/30 07:37:15] <karthick87> File is not getting shared to my puppet clients. Please find my manifests file here http://paste.ubuntu.com/787782/ Anything wrong?
[2011/12/30 07:38:50] <danblack> your puppet client need to be decared as part of base
[2011/12/30 07:39:06] <danblack> node 'myserver' inherits base { }
[2011/12/30 07:40:18] <karthick87> danblack: needs to be done in client side or server side?
[2011/12/30 07:41:05] <danblack> server in site.pp (though normally site.pp inherits node.pp and all node definations go there)
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[2011/12/30 07:43:33] <karthick87> Is this correct ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/787791/
[2011/12/30 07:47:17] <karthick87> danblack: Is this correct ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/787791/
[2011/12/30 07:48:10] <danblack> only if 'myserver' corresponds the hostname on the cert of the client.
[2011/12/30 07:48:35] <danblack> it could be a full domain name too if thats set
[2011/12/30 07:48:44] <danblack> compare to the output of hostname of the client
[2011/12/30 07:50:20] <karthick87> danblack: For example if the clients hostname is user1 how can i write the code for it?
[2011/12/30 07:50:54] <danblack> node 'user1' inherits base { }
[2011/12/30 07:51:18] <danblack> that has to be the name when you registered the client with puppet ca.
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[2011/12/30 07:55:32] <karthick87> danblack: I have done it, but still the file is not getting shared
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[2011/12/30 07:58:48] <danblack> karthick87: ls /var/lib/puppet/ssl/ca/signed
[2011/12/30 07:58:59] <danblack> take the filename without '.pem' as the hostname
[2011/12/30 08:01:40] <karthick87> danblack: I have entered it correctly, is there any command to share the files after making the changes?
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[2011/12/30 08:04:15] <trapni> Hey. I am looking for a way to translate $name from "foo/bar" to "foo.bar" within .pp files. is that possible?
[2011/12/30 08:06:51] <kjetilho> regsubst()
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[2011/12/30 08:08:49] <danblack> karthick87: puppet agent -t (on client)
[2011/12/30 08:13:50] <trapni> kjetilho: ah, interesting.
[2011/12/30 08:14:06] <karthick87> danblack: check the output pls http://paste.ubuntu.com/787809/
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[2011/12/30 08:15:54] <danblack> karthick87: change your hostname back or redo the cert for the host. Please go back to reading a bit more. I'm happy to help but I am trying to do stuff here too.
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[2011/12/30 08:31:30] <karthick87> danblack: I have changed the hostname and tried, pls see this output http://paste.ubuntu.com/787821/
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[2011/12/30 08:36:42] <danblack> karthick87: hostname justdial.chn.jd.com
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[2011/12/30 09:03:57] <iggy_work> Hi there. Anyone know a good book to get me started on puppet? I've been reading pullin strings with puppet and getting the general gist but it seems a little out of date..
[2011/12/30 09:04:21] <tmclaugh> I've been reading Pro Puppet and like it
[2011/12/30 09:04:39] <iggy_work> does it start off at a fairly beginners level?
[2011/12/30 09:04:49] <tmclaugh> I felt it did.
[2011/12/30 09:05:01] <tmclaugh> I had last touched puppet maybe two years ago so I was familiar with some stuff
[2011/12/30 09:05:01] <iggy_work> cool. I'll take a look. thanks
[2011/12/30 09:05:13] <tmclaugh> I went back and fixed a bunch of things in my old setup
[2011/12/30 09:05:15] <tmclaugh> np
[2011/12/30 09:05:23] <ken_barber> is marcus ferreira in this chan? just wanted to chat about #10271
[2011/12/30 09:05:23] <gepetto> ken_barber: #10271 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/10271 "Facter - Bug #10271: Amazon Linux operatingsytem and operatingsystemversion and osfamily facts do not work. It has a status of In Topic Branch Pending Review and is assigned to Adrien Thebo"
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[2011/12/30 09:20:25] <iggy_work> right I've ordered pro puppet. Some weekend reading for me.. No doubt I'll be back asking questions next week.
[2011/12/30 09:20:28] <iggy_work> Thanks mate
[2011/12/30 09:20:51] <tmclaugh> np
[2011/12/30 09:27:30] <karthick87> danblack: I have changed the hostname, still i am not able to share the file. Can you please help?
[2011/12/30 09:28:05] <danblack> no - go back and read the install documentation.
[2011/12/30 09:28:45] <danblack> or ask again. here. I've really got stuff todo and its fairly late here
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[2011/12/30 09:39:47] <ashp> Hmm, I can't seem to get this syntax spot on. I have a service (nfs) that I disable in security::services. This is applied globally to all boxes. I want to override it in my nfs class
[2011/12/30 09:40:11] <ashp> I thought I could make them both virtual and realize one instance but I can't have the logic in two places, so this is kind of ugly
[2011/12/30 09:40:25] <ashp> in that you'd have to think to check security::services to find out where it gets realized
[2011/12/30 09:40:34] <ashp> is there a better way of doing this?
[2011/12/30 09:48:10] <jsm> ashp: well, i would say make sure ifs is not installed by default
[2011/12/30 09:48:22] <jsm> and there'd be no reason to have to disable the service to begin with
[2011/12/30 09:48:36] <jsm> i mean ifs is not installed by default
[2011/12/30 09:48:40] <jsm> nfs
[2011/12/30 09:48:42] <jsm> crappy keyboard
[2011/12/30 09:49:19] <ashp> It was just a safety net in that no matter what the state of the machine is we want to force disable the service unless we include the other class
[2011/12/30 09:49:30] <ashp> in the past I've ended up just doing if defined(Class[])
[2011/12/30 09:49:34] <ashp> but I always feel that's a kludge
[2011/12/30 09:50:23] <jsm> yeah i mean the safety net thing is a bit of a mess… unless you consider everything.. extra users, extra packages, etc
[2011/12/30 09:50:37] <jsm> then you need a safety net class for everything that shouldn't be there
[2011/12/30 09:50:49] <jsm> seems like a windy road
[2011/12/30 09:51:09] <ashp> Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, but we have these awful security standards we have to meet
[2011/12/30 09:51:13] <ashp> that were designed pre-automation, for sure
[2011/12/30 09:51:19] <ashp> that want you to do all kinds of nonsense security
[2011/12/30 09:51:52] <jsm> i would say an nfs service class wit appropriate iptables rule would suffice.. that way nfs couldn't be reached even if it was left on accidentally
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[2011/12/30 09:53:49] <jsm> are you using some sort of external data for listing what services you want disabled?
[2011/12/30 09:53:52] <jsm> like hiera or something?
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[2011/12/30 09:56:02] <ashp> hmm, no
[2011/12/30 09:56:09] <ashp> the only external data stuff I use is foreman smart variables
[2011/12/30 09:56:53] <jsm> if that were the case you could have a hash that represented all the services you wanted turned off
[2011/12/30 09:57:00] <jsm> or modified in anyway
[2011/12/30 09:57:28] <jsm> and then when the nfs class was realized, it would modify the hash to say, yes enabled nfs
[2011/12/30 09:57:37] <jsm> and that that service hash could be processed, all at once
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[2011/12/30 09:58:38] <ashp> yeah, I need to sit down and rethink the security stuff anyway
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[2011/12/30 09:58:54] <ashp> because you're right, I don't like the model of trying to say "i want only this and somehow magically know to disable everything else"
[2011/12/30 09:59:01] <ashp> that would be... difficult, to do in puppet
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[2011/12/30 09:59:26] <ashp> i just crammed this stuff in as it made my boss happy but we've evolved enough that it's problematic rather than beneficial
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[2011/12/30 10:00:59] <jsm> ashp: it could be done, but it's definitely better to think of a better business process…
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[2011/12/30 10:01:58] <jsm> you could use an auditing/alerting system to know whether a service is activated on a system that it shouldn't be.
[2011/12/30 10:02:22] <greenmang0> is it possible to use "require => Realize["foobar"]"
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[2011/12/30 10:05:25] <BrianJ> so I'm having some issues adding nodes to my puppet entreprise master. Here is what I'm doing to classify and then install the node http://pastie.org/3096305
[2011/12/30 10:05:31] <BrianJ> It comes up in the console
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[2011/12/30 10:05:44] <BrianJ> but it doesnt report
[2011/12/30 10:06:39] <Dominic> ashp: looking at your original question, you could have an nfs::disabled class that's included from security::services, then an nfs::enabled class included from your NFS clients/servers that inherits it and overrides the service
[2011/12/30 10:07:29] <ashp> Dominic: Yeah, that was my other idea, I've actually built the :disabled bit, just waiting for my boss to unbreak something so I can test the rest
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[2011/12/30 10:23:38] <karthick87> I am unable to share files to my puppet clients, can anyone help me pls
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[2011/12/30 10:39:14] <karthick87> agaffney: see this is my manifests file http://paste.ubuntu.com/787973/ but the file is not shared in my puppet client.
[2011/12/30 10:40:00] <agaffney> what's the error?
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[2011/12/30 10:40:54] <agaffney> also, you should avoid using import and structure your modules in a way that allows the autoloader to work
[2011/12/30 10:41:07] <agaffney> in this case, rename init.pp to myfile.pp and remove the import line
[2011/12/30 10:41:21] <legoklods> karthick87: Have you setup the fileserver to allow access from your client?
[2011/12/30 10:41:25] <karthick87> agaffney: The problem is the file is not copied to the client. How to debug it?
[2011/12/30 10:41:27] <agaffney> also change the class definition to 'class mymodule::myfile' and 'include mymodule::myfile'
[2011/12/30 10:41:52] <karthick87> legoklods: how to check it?
[2011/12/30 10:42:01] <agaffney> karthick87: is there an error, or does it just not do anything at all?
[2011/12/30 10:43:05] <legoklods> karthick87: Check /etc/puppet/fileserver.conf
[2011/12/30 10:43:49] <karthick87> agaffney: I am getting this error in client http://paste.ubuntu.com/787975/
[2011/12/30 10:44:53] <karthick87> legoklods: It is allowed
[2011/12/30 10:45:05] <agaffney> karthick87: umm, well that's a completely different problem
[2011/12/30 10:45:34] <karthick87> agaffney: How do i solve it? I have tried changing the hostname too
[2011/12/30 10:45:48] <agaffney> most likely, you're using a hostname to talk to the puppetmaster that is different than the actual hostname of the master, which is used on the SSL cert
[2011/12/30 10:47:44] <karthick87> agaffney: No am using the correct hostname
[2011/12/30 10:48:33] <LoRez> is there an augeas onlyif that will allow me to not keep adding things to what appears to be an array? it's for one of the modprobe.d/blacklist files
[2011/12/30 10:49:45] <Dominic> LoRez: something like, onlyif => "match expression[. = 'foo'] size == 0" ?
[2011/12/30 10:51:52] <karthick87> agaffney: How to rectify this problem? Can you help me pls
[2011/12/30 10:52:09] <LoRez> onlyif => "match /files/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf/blacklist[. = 'vga16fb'] size == 0" ?
[2011/12/30 10:52:16] <agaffney> this is a basic SSL problem, not a problem with your manifest
[2011/12/30 10:52:22] <agaffney> and it's due to a hostname mistmatch
[2011/12/30 10:52:31] <agaffney> you said you changed the hostname....on which box, and how?
[2011/12/30 10:52:42] <Dominic> LoRez: I'd have to see what you're doing to know if it'd work, but it looks about right
[2011/12/30 10:53:11] <LoRez> Dominic: blacklist is an array of module names
[2011/12/30 10:53:28] <Dominic> LoRez: then yes, should work
[2011/12/30 10:53:39] <karthick87> agaffney: I have changed the hostname on the client by editing /etc/hosts & /etc/hostname file and restarting the system
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[2011/12/30 10:54:18] <agaffney> karthick87: the problem is on the master, not the client
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[2011/12/30 10:55:10] <karthick87> agaffney: So do you want me to change the hostname on master?
[2011/12/30 10:56:14] <LoRez> Dominic: sweet, thanks!
[2011/12/30 10:56:36] <agaffney> I don't want you to do anything
[2011/12/30 10:57:01] <agaffney> karthick87: what is the hostname on the master? is this the same name you're using to connect to it from the client?
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[2011/12/30 10:58:06] <karthick87> agaffney: wait for few sec's pls i am restarting my machine.
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[2011/12/30 10:59:37] <agaffney> is there some basic SSL troubleshooting document I can point him to?
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[2011/12/30 11:01:55] <Dominic> good luck with that, he's been in here for the past couple of days refusing to think at all for himself. He's only able to copy and paste commands verbatim :)
[2011/12/30 11:02:38] <jmslagle> Heh :P
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[2011/12/30 11:07:57] <karthick87> agaffney: The masters hostname is karthick-it now
[2011/12/30 11:10:06] <karthick87> agaffney: After changing the hostname also the same problem continues here http://paste.ubuntu.com/788009/
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[2011/12/30 11:17:25] <karthick87> agaffney: is it possible to disable this certificate signing?
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[2011/12/30 11:17:42] <dan__t> i think.... the client has a bad/wrong server CA cert.
[2011/12/30 11:17:50] <dan__t> are the client and server on the same machine?
[2011/12/30 11:18:32] * _sen needs to have two versions of a package installed at the same time (JDKs 1.5.x and 1.6.x) on every system, is there any way to do this sanely? if not, any suggestions on less-sane ways to do so?
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[2011/12/30 11:19:16] <karthick87> no its on the different machine
[2011/12/30 11:19:23] <dan__t> what's your method of installation, _sen?
[2011/12/30 11:19:29] <jsm> can anyone explain this error: http://fpaste.org/WQeL/ ?
[2011/12/30 11:19:40] <_sen> they're all RHEL systems, and we use locally-hosted yum repositories for packages
[2011/12/30 11:19:48] <dan__t> karthick87, turn puppet on the client off, rm -rf /var/lib/puppet/ssl, puppetca --clean fqdn.of.client, restart Puppet on client
[2011/12/30 11:19:53] <jsm> i understand the syntax error, but i'm not sure what the dependency class is throwing
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[2011/12/30 11:21:58] <karthick87> dan__t: do you want me to install puppetmaster-common in client to execute puppetca --clean fqdn.of.client
[2011/12/30 11:22:08] <jsm> nm, figured it out
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[2011/12/30 11:22:26] <dan__t> puippetca --clean is done on the server
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[2011/12/30 11:23:28] <karthick87> dan__t: I have done,i am running sudo puppetd --test in client now
[2011/12/30 11:23:37] <dan__t> ok.
[2011/12/30 11:25:31] <karthick87> dan__t: This is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/788025/
[2011/12/30 11:26:00] <dan__t> on the puppetmaster, run: puppetca --list
[2011/12/30 11:26:08] <dan__t> find the FQDN of the client, and: puppetca --sign fqdn.of.client
[2011/12/30 11:26:15] <dan__t> Restart the puppet client
[2011/12/30 11:28:03] <karthick87> its done now. How do i check whether it is working fine or not?
[2011/12/30 11:28:36] <dan__t> does the client complete and apply a full compiled catalogue?
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[2011/12/30 11:29:43] <karthick87> dan__t: I have signed the client in master and restarted the puppet client
[2011/12/30 11:30:12] <karthick87> dan__t: Now shall i run puppetd --test in client to test?
[2011/12/30 11:30:28] <dan__t> Yes, that's what I meant by restarting the puppet client.
[2011/12/30 11:30:41] <dan__t> Almost the same thing would happen, enough to test that it worked anyway.
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[2011/12/30 11:31:41] <karthick87> dan__t: Oops the same error http://paste.ubuntu.com/788030/
[2011/12/30 11:32:47] <dan__t> openssl x509 -text -in /var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/puppet.pem
[2011/12/30 11:33:29] <dan__t> Oooh, that's not the right cert.
[2011/12/30 11:33:50] <karthick87> dan__t: Output here http://paste.ubuntu.com/788031/
[2011/12/30 11:33:54] <dan__t> Did you chnage the server's hostname at some point?
[2011/12/30 11:34:09] <karthick87> dant__t: Yes i have changed
[2011/12/30 11:34:32] <dan__t> I don't have a Puppet isntall available to me right now, and I never was good with its SSL.
[2011/12/30 11:35:12] <karthick87> dan__t: I am not able to ping the client using its hostname. Why?
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[2011/12/30 11:35:54] <dan__t> Because the hostname probably does not exist in DNS.
[2011/12/30 11:36:25] <dan__t> The client is trying to connect to the server using a specific FQDN. The server responds with its hostname, which is not what the client expected to receive.
[2011/12/30 11:36:52] <karthick87> dan__t: So where comes the problem?
[2011/12/30 11:37:43] <dan__t> 1) fix your DNS, 2) solidify a FQDN for both master and client, 3) read up on the 'certdnsnames' directive if you just want to podge it together
[2011/12/30 11:38:13] <karthick87> DNS is fixed now
[2011/12/30 11:39:01] <karthick87> dan__t: Thanks a lot for spending ur time for helping me.
[2011/12/30 11:39:02] <dan__t> If you are just testing and want to start over, stop both master and client, rm -rf /var/lib/puppet/ssl, start Puppet back up. Make sure the FQDN of the master is the same FQDN that the Client uses as its 'server' directive.
[2011/12/30 11:39:15] <dan__t> No problem. Just wish I was more familiar with this, myself.
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[2011/12/30 11:40:48] <karthick87> This is the fqdn of the server karthick-it.CHN.JD.COM
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[2011/12/30 11:41:01] <dan__t> ok
[2011/12/30 11:41:16] <karthick87> and this is the fqdn of the client testing.CHN.JD.COM
[2011/12/30 11:41:23] <dan__t> ok.
[2011/12/30 11:41:25] <karthick87> this is oke right?
[2011/12/30 11:41:32] <dan__t> is there a 'server = ' directive in the client's puppet.conf?
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[2011/12/30 11:42:10] <BrianJ> so I'm having some issues adding nodes to my puppet entreprise master. Here is what I'm doing to classify and then install the node http://pastie.org/3096305
[2011/12/30 11:42:28] <BrianJ> It comes up in the console
[2011/12/30 11:42:33] <karthick87> dan__t: no its present in the client
[2011/12/30 11:42:33] <BrianJ> but it doesnt report
[2011/12/30 11:42:44] <karthick87> dan__t: no its not present in the client
[2011/12/30 11:43:04] <dan__t> by default, if no server name is specified, the puppet client will try to connect to a host called 'puppet'.
[2011/12/30 11:43:10] <dan__t> Which it did at some point, somehow.
[2011/12/30 11:43:28] <dan__t> Best bet, though, is under [agent] of puppet.conf, put: server = karthick-it.CHN.JD.COM
[2011/12/30 11:44:19] <karthick87> There is no [agent] in puppet.conf only [main] and [master] is available
[2011/12/30 11:44:28] <dan__t> main, sorry.
[2011/12/30 11:45:05] <karthick87> its done now. What next?
[2011/12/30 11:45:59] <dan__t> restart the client
[2011/12/30 11:46:19] <karthick87> done
[2011/12/30 11:46:36] <dan__t> I need to get going, I'm sorry
[2011/12/30 11:46:44] <dan__t> This is pretty basic introductory stuff though
[2011/12/30 11:46:56] <karthick87> fine thanks a lot bye
[2011/12/30 11:47:02] <dan__t> I'd hate to sound like an ass but I'd really suggest you read a bit more about Puppet to understand what's going on behind the scenes.
[2011/12/30 11:47:51] <karthick87> Sure
[2011/12/30 11:49:28] <karthick87> dan__t: root@testing:~# sudo puppetd --test notice: Run of Puppet configuration client already in progress; skipping is it good?
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[2011/12/30 12:18:37] <d3c> I'm triggering puppet runs via mcollective on my puppetmaster. now, I want to ensure that puppet is stopped on nodes unless I run it. how may I do this? ensure => 'stopped' for the puppet service will make nodes kill themselves in the middle of a run triggered by mcollective on the master.
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[2011/12/30 12:25:37] <_sen> apologies for repeating, but i'll try one more time to see if anyone has any ideas. anyone know how to make puppet install two different versions of the same package (on a RHEL/yum system)?
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[2011/12/30 12:27:29] <dan__t> _sen, do you rebuild those packages?
[2011/12/30 12:27:37] <dan__t> name them jdk15 and jdk16?
[2011/12/30 12:28:02] <_sen> hmm, good idea. let me look into that. will let you know how that goes.
[2011/12/30 12:28:25] <_sen> they're not built by us now, but i think i can unbuild and rebuild them with different names.
[2011/12/30 12:30:23] <dan__t> i do that a lot
[2011/12/30 12:30:37] <dan__t> i have two tomcats, tomcat7-projectname1 and tomcat7-projectname2
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[2011/12/30 12:31:09] <_sen> yeah, this thought actually occurred to me about 4 hours ago, but I got distracted with something else and forgot about the idea when I got back to puppeting :)
[2011/12/30 12:33:20] <_sen> hmm. how does one "unbuild" an rpm?
[2011/12/30 12:33:55] <dan__t> rpm2cpio rpmname | cpio -id
[2011/12/30 12:34:03] <dan__t> though, you can't pull the spec out of it
[2011/12/30 12:34:08] <_sen> right. that's my issue :/
[2011/12/30 12:34:16] <dan__t> are they real oracle RPMs?
[2011/12/30 12:34:19] <_sen> yeah.
[2011/12/30 12:34:23] <dan__t> go the jpackage route
[2011/12/30 12:34:28] <dan__t> edit the spec file they provide
[2011/12/30 12:34:41] <dan__t> create one jdk15 package and one jdk16 package or something
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[2011/12/30 12:39:47] <_sen> hrm. yeah, that may be the best way to go. it's a lot more complicated than i'd hoped, though.
[2011/12/30 12:39:53] <dan__t> yep.
[2011/12/30 12:39:59] <dan__t> there's no unsuck way around it.
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[2011/12/30 12:40:50] <_sen> well, will have to try to get time approved to work on that solution then. for now, i'm off to work on other projects and will keep rpm -i'ing both versions for now. thanks for your help dan__t!
[2011/12/30 12:41:35] <dan__t> suer.
[2011/12/30 12:41:37] <dan__t> suire
[2011/12/30 12:41:38] <dan__t> damnit
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[2011/12/30 12:44:36] <tessier> For some reason every day puppet re-copies these particular files...
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[2011/12/30 12:56:24] <tessier> I wonder if it somehow has to do with the fact that there are i386 and x86_64 versions of this file, each contained in their own if ( $architecture == clause.
[2011/12/30 12:56:42] * tessier comments out the i386 version since we have very few i386 machines anyway to see if the issue goes away
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[2011/12/30 14:14:49] <chjohnst> been trying to figure this out, but why do my facts load 6x?
[2011/12/30 14:14:49] <chjohnst> # puppetd --test --report --noop | grep ntpserver
[2011/12/30 14:14:51] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:14:51] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:14:51] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:14:53] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:14:53] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:14:56] <chjohnst> info: Loading facts in ntpservers
[2011/12/30 14:15:24] <agaffney> 6x? that's a new one
[2011/12/30 14:15:28] <chjohnst> yea
[2011/12/30 14:15:30] <agaffney> I usually get 2x with 4x on the master
[2011/12/30 14:15:31] <chjohnst> puppet 2.7.9
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[2011/12/30 14:17:19] <tessier> Anyone noticed that something changed between CentOS 5.6 and 5.7 which seems to cause puppet not to know that the iscsi service is already stopped and does not need to be stopped again?
[2011/12/30 14:17:26] <chjohnst> why laod even 2x
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[2011/12/30 14:24:39] @ Topic is "Puppet Enterprise 2.0 is out: http://bit.ly/PE_2 | Puppet 2.7.9 and 2.6.13 available at downloads.puppetlabs.com | http://docs.puppetlabs.com | Bugs & Feature Requests http://bit.ly/dKVa0A | December Newsletter http://bit.ly/nl11-12 | Important Security Announcement: http://bit.ly/AltNames"
[2011/12/30 14:24:39] @ Topic set by stahnma!~stahnma@fedora/stahnma on Thu Dec 22 14:34:05 -0500 2011
[2011/12/30 14:24:55] @ Mode +Ccnt by calvino.freenode.net
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[2011/12/30 14:25:39] <torrancew> Volcane: if a specific service provider guarantees the availability of a status method, does a puppet service resource using that provider "know" hasstatus => true ?
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[2011/12/30 14:27:05] <Volcane> depends on the provider
[2011/12/30 14:27:14] <Volcane> default has changed to true in recent versions
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[2011/12/30 14:36:09] <torrancew> Volcane: thanks
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[2011/12/30 15:06:55] <chjohnst> okie I fixed my fact sync issue, does it 2x now
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[2011/12/30 15:22:52] <d3c> how may I install packages with duplicate names but different providers? package { 'foo' : name => 'bar' ... doesn't work (maybe as of 2.7.x?). what's the correct way to do this? I need it for installing the mysql (client) package and the mysql gem.
[2011/12/30 15:23:54] <agaffney> d3c: package { "yum_mysql": provider => 'yum', name => 'mysql' } package { "gem_mysql": provider => 'gem', name => 'mysql' }
[2011/12/30 15:24:03] <agaffney> that *should* work
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[2011/12/30 15:25:43] <d3c> agaffney: oh, alias both of them. great, thanks :)
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[2011/12/30 15:42:33] <d3c> agaffney: does this work for you? http://pastebin.com/5frNSiNM
[2011/12/30 15:44:41] <d3c> agaffney: I'm getting an error from that: "Cannot alias Package[mysql_gem] to ["mysql"]; resource ["Package", ["mysql"]] already exists"
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[2011/12/30 15:49:33] <Volcane> its puppet helping you realize the blatantly obvious - dont mix package managers on one system :)
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[2011/12/30 15:52:21] <d3c> Volcane: this is gem. isn't it completely valid/normal to depend on gem and another package manager?
[2011/12/30 15:54:04] <agaffney> not if you value your sanity
[2011/12/30 15:54:40] <agaffney> if I had my way, I would never use gem, pear, pecl, CPAN, or any other "alternative" specialized package manager
[2011/12/30 15:54:59] <agaffney> they are a sysadmin's nightmare
[2011/12/30 15:55:12] <agaffney> if you're trying to maintain any sort of consistency
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[2011/12/30 15:56:44] * agaffney also gives the stinkeye to python eggs
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[2011/12/30 16:00:55] <d3c> agaffney: alright. will see if I can easily convert the many gems I have that are not available as RPMs
[2011/12/30 16:01:03] <d3c> agaffney, Volcane: thanks
[2011/12/30 16:03:28] <Volcane> check out fpm
[2011/12/30 16:04:33] <fetep> d3c: https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/wiki/ConvertingGems
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[2011/12/30 16:05:51] <d3c> Volcane, fetep: awesome, looks promising. will check it out. thanks
[2011/12/30 16:06:32] <agaffney> fetep: ooh, I'll have to remember that one
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[2011/12/30 16:07:32] <agaffney> now I just need a RPM for fpm ;)
[2011/12/30 16:07:52] <fetep> which you should clearly generate with fpm. :)
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[2011/12/30 16:09:07] <fennec> agaffney - rvm + bundler :)
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[2011/12/30 16:15:13] <d3c> fetep: any ideas on going from gem -> Portfile (macports)? I need to strip gem from my development environment as well then
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[2011/12/30 16:17:01] <fetep> d3c: dunno. you could write an fpm output adapter for a portfile package
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[2011/12/30 16:26:09] <agaffney> I'd heard about fpm in here a lot, but I didn't realize that whack wrote it
[2011/12/30 16:26:35] <torrancew> o.O
[2011/12/30 16:26:38] <torrancew> I didn't either!
[2011/12/30 16:27:36] * agaffney just build RPMs for json/fpm using fpm
[2011/12/30 16:27:47] <agaffney> I'm practically giddy
[2011/12/30 16:28:26] <torrancew> How do people tend to solve file serving in masterless puppet installs?
[2011/12/30 16:28:54] <agaffney> you can use file:/// URIs for source, iirc
[2011/12/30 16:29:13] <torrancew> agaffney: do you have to give full paths, or can it be relative to the moduledir?
[2011/12/30 16:29:17] <Volcane> if u use puppet:/// it'll use local files when runnig serverless
[2011/12/30 16:29:36] <torrancew> Volcane: odd, that doesn't seem to be what I'm seeing, but I'll dig in and see if I overlooked something
[2011/12/30 16:29:48] <Volcane> see the file resouce docs
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[2011/12/30 16:32:53] <torrancew> As always, thanks Volcane
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[2011/12/30 16:55:41] <d3c> what would you guys do - stick with OSX (since may devs like this) or force all development to something more development-friendly? I keep running into problems with OSX, now the lack of a nice way to convert gems into portfiles. I know I could write a fpm output adapter but that's beyond my skills, I think.
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[2011/12/30 17:00:48] <ryancoleman> d3c: would your devs consider running something like Vagrant on their Macs? http://vagrantup.com/
[2011/12/30 17:04:31] <d3c> ryancoleman: having a look at that now, thanks
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[2011/12/30 17:13:34] <d3c> ryancoleman: isn't that the same as getting devs to checkout the puppetmaster repo and apply the site.pp ? (assuming puppet will then configure a dev environment)
[2011/12/30 17:15:28] <ryancoleman> d3c: Vagrant is about quickly and easily building and destroying virtual environments that look and behave like your production environment. So ideally, Vagrant would build up a machine with the same os as production and you'd use its Puppet integration to bring the machine up to whatever state the dev needs for their work. They can use shared folders to hack on their code mac-side and just use it on the VM, etc.
[2011/12/30 17:15:57] <bob2> how reliable are shared folders on OS X with vbox?
[2011/12/30 17:16:11] <bob2> we had some uh supposed outofdateness issues when doing that from windows a year or two ago
[2011/12/30 17:16:22] <Harzilein> ryancoleman: is vagrant tied to vbox?
[2011/12/30 17:16:36] <Harzilein> ryancoleman: or could qemu be integrated as well?
[2011/12/30 17:16:50] <ryancoleman> bob2: it works moderately well once you've got your base boxes setup with the appropriate version of the vbox additions.
[2011/12/30 17:16:53] <Harzilein> ryancoleman: i'm trying to deprecate vbox use at my workplace ;)
[2011/12/30 17:17:10] <ryancoleman> Harzilein: It is tied to Oracle's VirtualBox.
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[2011/12/30 17:17:20] <bob2> ryancoleman, thanks
[2011/12/30 17:17:52] <ryancoleman> Harzilein: Though if you're adventurous, you could look into extending it! ;-)
[2011/12/30 17:18:18] <Harzilein> oh well, i guess we will find a solution when gemfile split universe bites us once (instead of being merely annoying ;)
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[2011/12/30 17:19:07] <Harzilein> there tends to be a shift towards us debian/linux users being "right" in deciding what goes into version control ;)
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[2011/12/30 17:19:43] <d3c> ryancoleman: alright. thanks for the advice. will look into it
[2011/12/30 17:19:47] <bob2> hahahaha
[2011/12/30 17:23:02] <ryancoleman> d3c: bob2: you're welcome. :-)
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[2011/12/30 18:01:01] <elasticdog> how do I deal with facter version differences in templates (using $lsbdistrelease vs $operatingsystemrelease)? test for undef and set a custom variable?
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[2011/12/30 18:02:08] <elasticdog> I'm trying to migrate my puppetmaster from 0.25.5 to 2.7.9 and am thinking I have a lot of modules to update, but some of the managed machines will still be running older clients/facter
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[2011/12/30 18:03:35] <agaffney> elasticdog: has_variable?('lsbdistrelease')
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[2011/12/30 18:10:28] <elasticdog> agaffney: that will be useful...I just realized that I didn't have redhat-lsb installed on my new puppetmaster server, so really I should just use operatingsystemrelease in my template
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[2011/12/30 18:12:45] <elasticdog> so if the catalog is always compiled on the server, will I have problems using newer features like parameterized classes with older (0.25.5) clients?
[2011/12/30 18:14:06] <agaffney> elasticdog: in general, you should be using the same versions (or as close as possible) of the master and client
[2011/12/30 18:14:18] <agaffney> mostly for reasons like that
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[2011/12/30 18:25:32] <elasticdog> agaffney: yeah, I've been bad and just relying on whatever version of puppet is available by default for each distro
[2011/12/30 18:25:49] <elasticdog> might be time to get them in our custom mirrors and push it out so everything is consistent
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[2011/12/30 18:32:33] <Volcane> so much wrong with those 2 sentences :)
[2011/12/30 18:32:53] <elasticdog> I know :-)
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[2011/12/30 19:11:39] <Sargun_Screen> Hey, how would you guys distribute packages
[2011/12/30 19:14:33] <Volcane> with your OS package manager
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[2011/12/30 19:17:06] <Diranged> can i build a facter plugin that actually takes other facts and manipulates them?
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[2011/12/30 19:19:51] <Dominic> Diranged: sure, you can get the values of other facts with Facter.value(:fact_name)
[2011/12/30 19:19:59] <Diranged> sweet thanks
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[2011/12/30 19:28:01] <Sargun_Screen> Wouldn't it be great if you could do: Facter.value(:fact_name) = new_value , and it would make the neccesssary changes to fix your system?
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[2011/12/30 19:29:23] <rodjek> no. it's a computer and would therefore do it completely wrong
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[2011/12/30 21:26:59] <danblack> dear lazyweb, can someone with a working openssh/openssl(ecdsa) give me the following output to contribute to a factor test case: ssh-keygen -t ecdsa -o -f /tmp/x && cat /tmp/x.pub
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[2011/12/30 21:28:17] <supplicant> danblack: what is this -o
[2011/12/30 21:28:28] <danblack> overwrite - not really required
[2011/12/30 21:29:06] <supplicant> oh, because my ssh-keygen doesn't know about -o
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[2011/12/30 21:30:02] <supplicant> danblack: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 AAAAE2VjZHNhLXNoYTItbmlzdHAyNTYAAAAIbmlzdHAyNTYAAABBBIuKHtgXQUIrXSVNKC7uY+ZOF7jjfqYNU7Cb/IncDOZ7jW44dxsfBzRJwS5sTHERjBinJskY87mmwY07NFF5GoE= ryan@huxley.local
[2011/12/30 21:30:08] <danblack> i've just hand compiled openssl, openssh and fiddled with lib paths and its failing with 'bad key' somewhere in the ssl libs.
[2011/12/30 21:30:12] <danblack> thankyou kindly
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[2011/12/30 22:49:07] <wizonesolutions> Is it possible to use puppet resource with defines?
[2011/12/30 22:49:15] <wizonesolutions> on the CLI
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[2011/12/30 22:49:36] <wizonesolutions> e.g. if I've got an apache::vhost one and want to see all the vhosts it recognizes
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[2011/12/30 23:02:15] <rodjek> wizonesolutions: i'm pretty sure it only works with native types
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[2011/12/30 23:04:27] <wizonesolutions> rodjek: As I feared, but makes sense.
[2011/12/30 23:04:59] <wizonesolutions> Does anyone know how to allow a subnet by IP in fileserver.conf? I put in "allow 192.168.0.*" but it's only working if I put the hostname of the particular machine with which I was testing for some reason.
[2011/12/30 23:05:16] <wizonesolutions> Does it log somewhere the hostname or IP that it saw when it rejects access?
[2011/12/30 23:06:00] <wizonesolutions> ah I see, it logs it to /var/log/puppet/masterhttp.log
[2011/12/30 23:06:26] <wizonesolutions> and it didn't work because I'm running it in a VM with port forwarding, so it sees me via a different internal IP range
[2011/12/30 23:06:30] <wizonesolutions> tricky tricky
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[2011/12/30 23:48:53] <CrazyGir> there seems to be a whole lot of information / examples of puppet modules and good practices here, and fewer examples of good site/node/template best practices/etc. any good resources to suggest for such helpful info?
[2011/12/30 23:54:53] <jpalmer> CrazyGir: site/node/template best practices are a bit more difficult, because various places use it in different ways.
[2011/12/30 23:55:47] <CrazyGir> indeed
[2011/12/30 23:55:56] <CrazyGir> it's a bit of a chicken and the egg when learning
[2011/12/30 23:55:57] <jpalmer> some people group them by datacenter, some by server role, some use an ENC and don't use a site/node configuration directly in puppet at all.. etc
[2011/12/30 23:56:19] <CrazyGir> as how you go at site/note/etc is partly set by your modules/etc, and viceversa
[2011/12/30 23:56:31] <CrazyGir> ENC?
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[2011/12/30 23:56:43] <jpalmer> external node connector
[2011/12/30 23:57:00] <CrazyGir> ah
[2011/12/30 23:57:17] <jpalmer> to overly simplify.. it allows you to pass variables in to modules that are specific to a host, group, domain, etc
[2011/12/30 23:57:29] * CrazyGir nods

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