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| [2012/01/15 00:49:22] <Jezarith> hrm. Can I use the IN expression with a selector? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 00:57:35] <Jezarith> I guess via regex | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:25:01] <pdtpatrick__> Question -- i've configured puppet to receive reports using this guide | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:25:04] <pdtpatrick__> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/installing_dashboard.html#reporting | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:25:16] <pdtpatrick__> I'm using reports = http, store | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:25:43] <pdtpatrick__> im trying to have these reports visible in dashboard. However all i see are the background jobs and click on reports shows nothing | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:27:52] <pdtpatrick__> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/535009/ | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:28:38] <pdtpatrick__> and as u can see per this screenshot .. nothing is displayed | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:28:39] <pdtpatrick__> http://cl.ly/2C221D2l0l0h34401x3Q | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:32:14] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: do you have the bg job works? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:32:17] <ohadlevy> workign | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:32:47] <pdtpatrick__> as far as i can tell, all jobs have completed successfully | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:33:02] <pdtpatrick__> i ran puppet agent --test .. all cleared | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:33:11] <pdtpatrick__> or maybe I misunderstood your question | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:33:13] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: I"m not a user, but there shoulbd some background job running on your db to process the reports | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:33:16] <haus> 289 background jobs looks like puppet-dashboard-workers isn't running | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:33:45] <haus> pdtpatrick__: what is the result of `service puppet-dashboard-workers status`? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:34:53] <pdtpatrick__> # /etc/init.d/puppet-dashboard-workers start | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:34:53] <pdtpatrick__> Starting Puppet Dashboard Workers:Rails Error: Unable to access log file. Please ensure that /usr/share/puppet-da | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:34:54] <pdtpatrick__> shboard/log/production.log exists and is chmod 0666. The log level has been raised to WARN and the output directe | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:34:54] <pdtpatrick__> d to STDERR until the problem is fixed. | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:35:01] <pdtpatrick__> crap that was support to be pastebin | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:35:02] <pdtpatrick__> sorry | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:36:06] <haus> have you followed those instructions? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:40:09] <pdtpatrick__> yup | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:40:19] <pdtpatrick__> now i get a different error | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:40:51] <pdtpatrick__> is user puppet supposed to own all files in /usr/share/puppet-dashboard ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:41:08] <pdtpatrick__> ohadlevy: u wrote the foreman right? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:41:18] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: yes | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:43:57] <pdtpatrick__> cool deal - i've got puppet-dashboard-workers up and running :) | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:44:27] <haus> nice | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:45:35] <pdtpatrick__> Thanks for the help guys -- much appreciated | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:46:16] <ohadlevy> :) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:46:26] <pdtpatrick__> ohadlevy: i also tried getting reports in the foreman, does that also use puppet-dashboard-workers ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:46:34] <ohadlevy> mo | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:46:36] <ohadlevy> no | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:47:08] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: did you get an error? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:47:46] <pdtpatrick__> just the default page | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:47:46] <pdtpatrick__> http://cl.ly/2L3g3j3q2v101C2E310g | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:47:52] <pdtpatrick__> i follow the instructions | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:47:59] <pdtpatrick__> and still get the same page after imports | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:48:14] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: I'm guessing it wasnt enabled on your master or something like that | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:48:38] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: if you like, there is a puppet module for managing all of that | ||
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| [2012/01/15 02:48:50] <pdtpatrick__> really? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:48:55] <pdtpatrick__> link please | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:48:59] <pdtpatrick__> is this the github one? | ||
| [2012/01/15 02:49:28] <ohadlevy> http://theforeman.org/projects/foreman/wiki/Using_Puppet_Module_ready_to_use | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:00:20] <pdtpatrick__> ohadlevy: if i just want the report, can i use this script? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:00:20] <pdtpatrick__> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/535013/ | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:01:41] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick: you need also to include foreman::params, but you would still need to update your puppet.conf with reports=foreman | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:06:12] <pdtpatrick__> okay added and restarted puppet master service. | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:06:22] <pdtpatrick__> looks like foreman is thinking about it | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:06:38] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: if configured correctly, it should be very fast | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:10:06] <pdtpatrick__> ohadlevy: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/535015/ | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:11:03] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick: do you see any incoming reports to foreman? (usually in /var/log/foreman/production.log) | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:12:14] <pdtpatrick__> nope | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:12:31] <pdtpatrick__> my [main] looks like this | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:12:31] <pdtpatrick__> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/535016/ | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:12:56] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: did you restart your master afterwards? can you ensure the port and url are correct for your installation? (in the foreman/manifests/params.pp) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:15:53] <pdtpatrick__> ohadlevy: i installed forman from the .deb package, do u want me to reinstall using the github directions? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:16:24] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: you can, the installer would install the same deb package eventually | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:16:33] <pdtpatrick__> oh nvm then | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:16:40] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: my guess is that you dont have the correct url in your report.rb file | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:17:31] <pdtpatrick__> this file ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:17:39] <pdtpatrick__> .. /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/puppet/reports/foreman-report.rb | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:18:23] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick: it should be called foreman.rb .. | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:20:57] <pdtpatrick__> okay | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:21:00] <pdtpatrick__> . /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/puppet/reports/foreman.rb | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:22:33] <pdtpatrick__> the foreman user should own all of /usr/share/foreman ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:22:51] <pdtpatrick__> I'm also not seeing anything reporting to production.log (using tail -f ) | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:22:51] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: no, you can leave the permissions as the package define it | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:23:01] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: how are you running it? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:23:15] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: the logs should have write permissions to the foreman user | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:23:19] <pdtpatrick__> web brick | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:25:04] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: works? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:25:43] <pdtpatrick__> this is all i see in the logs when i click report | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:25:43] <pdtpatrick__> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/535018/ | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:27:42] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: so your master is still not sending the reports..... are you sure the url in foreman.rb is correct and that your clients has report=true? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:29:47] <pdtpatrick__> i don't see where it requires me to input url in foreman.rb | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:29:50] <pdtpatrick__> i only see this | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:29:51] <pdtpatrick__> 6 $foreman_url='<%= scope.lookupvar("foreman::params::foreman_url") %>' | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:30:06] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick: did you copy the erb file?? thats a template.... | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:30:12] <pdtpatrick__> yup | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:30:13] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: ^^ | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:30:29] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: so you need to change all lines with <%... to the real value | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:32:09] <pdtpatrick__> to something like this? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:32:10] <pdtpatrick__> 8 $foreman_url='http://puppet.tech-corps.com:3000/' | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:32:16] <ohadlevy> ye | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:32:58] <pdtpatrick__> k i've made change and will restart puppet master and try link again | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:34:00] <pdtpatrick__> :( same outcome | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:34:22] <pdtpatrick__> i think i'm going to stick with what works for now | ||
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| [2012/01/15 03:35:03] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick__: not sure what you are doing wrong, but worst case, just try running the entire module, it should fix all that small stuff for you | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:35:45] <pdtpatrick__> this ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:35:45] <pdtpatrick__> echo include puppet, puppet::server, foreman, foreman_proxy | puppet --modulepath $MODULE_PATH | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:36:07] <ohadlevy> pdtpatrick: yeah, but note it might change your puppet settings, so use it on a testing puppetmaster? | ||
| [2012/01/15 03:36:20] <pdtpatrick__> yeah this is a testing | ||
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| [2012/01/15 06:12:53] <ozymandias2> what syntax does puppet use for regex? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 06:15:25] <misc> for node ? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 06:18:06] <ozymandias2> or anywhere | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:18:19] <ozymandias2> I want to use it in a case statement | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:18:37] <ozymandias2> i'm guessing it is ruby's regex | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:18:55] <Dominic> almost certainly | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:19:15] <ozymandias2> giving that a test right now | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:20:09] <ozymandias2> I must be doing something wrong | ||
| [2012/01/15 06:23:08] <ozymandias2> and got it | ||
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| [2012/01/15 06:23:19] <ozymandias2> needed to wrap the pattern in slashes | ||
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| [2012/01/15 07:08:42] <ozymandias2> anyone happen to have a solaris zone handy? I want to know what facter reports for 'is virtual' and 'virtual' | ||
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| [2012/01/15 07:12:14] <Dominic> ozymandias2: is_virtual => true, virtual => zone | ||
| [2012/01/15 07:12:24] <ozymandias2> thanks so much | ||
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| [2012/01/15 07:14:53] <ozymandias2> building a nagios class, and while we dont have puppet installed on host with a zone yet, I want to plan for it ;-) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 10:10:29] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys | ||
| [2012/01/15 10:10:43] <DigitalFlux> Pypi.python.org is down :/ | ||
| [2012/01/15 10:11:00] <DigitalFlux> I think this is making my puppet clients to "Could not run Puppet configuration client: execution expired" | ||
| [2012/01/15 10:11:19] <DigitalFlux> I create an issue at http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/11961 | ||
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| [2012/01/15 11:36:31] <manlymatt83> Why can't I do require => Service["httpd"], notify => Service["httpd"] ... says I'm getting a dependency error? | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:36:37] <manlymatt83> that makes no sense. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 11:38:03] <Dominic> manlymatt83: your question makes no sense, I suggest you provide some more information and context | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:38:16] <misc> manlymatt83: why do you think it make no sense ? | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:38:40] <misc> ( because for me, that sound logical, so I guess you have a different understanding of what notify and require mean ) | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:39:19] <hadadad> aöldkj | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:39:21] <hadadad> sry | ||
| [2012/01/15 11:39:31] <hadadad> exit | ||
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| [2012/01/15 13:57:07] <karthick87> How to apply a module to all nodes from puppetmaster? | ||
| [2012/01/15 13:57:09] <KristianDK> I do not understand, why is it exactly that puppet cannot purge nagios_host, nagios_service, etc. if you provide the path yourself? | ||
| [2012/01/15 13:58:00] <KristianDK> karthick87, well, include the module in your node definition? :) | ||
| [2012/01/15 13:58:40] <karthick87> KristianDK: You mean init.pp?? | ||
| [2012/01/15 13:59:00] <KristianDK> karthick87, did you define any nodes yet? | ||
| [2012/01/15 13:59:34] <karthick87> Yes i have defined the nodes in site.pp | ||
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| [2012/01/15 13:59:48] <Evolution> karthick87: put your module in the default. | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:00:02] <KristianDK> so if you want to include a specific module, you write "include modulename" on the nodes you want | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:00:12] <KristianDK> if you have a base class, you put it there | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:00:40] <KristianDK> Evolution, if he wants it in all his nodes and he already defined them, the default node wouldn't catch them -right? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:01:07] <karthick87> KristianDK: So after including the module how do i apply it? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:01:19] <Evolution> not sure. I thought default applied to everything | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:01:29] <Evolution> I use foreman as a front-end, so I do it a bit differnetly | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:01:34] <KristianDK> Evolution, i think the default node just works as a fallback | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:01:53] <KristianDK> karthick87, it will automatically apply it next time puppet runs on the nodes | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:02:15] <KristianDK> if you want to force it, you write "puppet agent --test" on each node | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:02:31] <KristianDK> if you had a lot of nodes, you would probably use e.g. Mcollective or fabric to run it on all of them | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:02:36] <misc> I wonder if using something like Node { requires => Class['foo'] } would work | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:03:06] <KristianDK> node "whatever" { require classname } would at least ;) | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:03:07] <karthick87> KristianDK: How to run it on all nodes? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:03:20] <KristianDK> karthick87, you need to write a script for it | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:03:27] <KristianDK> in e.g. fabric or mcollective | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:03:54] <Evolution> foreman makes it quite nice too. add hosts to hostgroup. apply puppet modules to hostgroup, move on with life. | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:04:10] <misc> http://library.linode.com/application-stacks/puppet/automation according to this doc, using default would work | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:05:16] <KristianDK> misc, cool | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:05:19] <KristianDK> didnt know | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:06:02] <misc> another option is to use a enc to include automatically every thing | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:06:58] <KristianDK> I always make a base class that all nodes extends, that way i do not have to deal with new nodes applying the default and not outputting an error if i mistyped their hostname ;) | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:07:21] <KristianDK> but ENC is cool as well, you just need to some extra work | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:13:17] <karthick87> KristianDK: What is the use of puppetmaster then? I cant able to apply a module to all nodes. If i have to apply it to every single node. I would have been using scp over ssh.. What special in using puppet? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:14:28] <KristianDK> karthick87, you only have to apply manually if you can't wait until the puppet daemon on each node applies it automatically (every 30 min by default) - furthermore puppet makes sure that your layout stays correct over time (if setup properly) | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:14:49] <KristianDK> and then it supports much other stuff, that would be a pain to do manually | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:15:11] <ozymandias2> I have a resource that creates a directory and recursively sets the permissions, and then a second resource that creates nagios files in that directory -- how can I force the permissions again? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:15:48] <KristianDK> e.g. when i add a new web node to our setup, i do "apt-get update && apt-get install puppet && puppet agent --waitforcert 10" then i sign the certificate on the server, and a few minutes later I have a setup that follows our guidelines, with correct access to the employees that needs it | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:17:18] <KristianDK> ozymandias2, do you manually create the nagios files or do you use the nagios_host, nagios_service, etc. puppet types? | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:17:25] <ozymandias2> puppet types | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:21:31] <ozymandias2> basically, I create the /$fqdn/ dir as a resource, and then fille it with check_http.cfg, etc -- and the permissions after the first puppet run are wrong, but on the second, the permissions get updated | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:22:23] <KristianDK> ozymandias2, tbh, i have no idea - but maybe notify => would work | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:22:24] <ozymandias2> I want to avoid creating a file['$fqdn/check_http.cfg']....require => nagios_service['check_http'] | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:24:57] <KristianDK> ozymandias2, but how do you remove hosts from those files when you want to decommission a server? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:25:12] <KristianDK> doenst that only work with default locations? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:25:51] <ozymandias2> I was just going to delete /$fqdn/ by creating a file resource and ensure => absent at that time | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:25:59] <ozymandias2> or delete manually | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:26:24] <KristianDK> ozymandias2, nice, just asking since I'm setting nagios up at the moment as well | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:26:37] <ozymandias2> we are going to have some files that are not managed by puppet | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:26:53] <ozymandias2> some hosts that we don't really want to (or cant) install puppet on | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:27:06] <ozymandias2> vmware hosts, switches, etc | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:27:37] <KristianDK> yeah, we have that too, but i was actually just gonna make configurations for them manually using puppet on the nagios host | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:27:55] <ozymandias2> i've thought about that | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:28:10] <KristianDK> any reason why you didn't want to do it? :D | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:28:22] <ozymandias2> we are impliementing nagios (icinga, actually) at the same time as puppet | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:28:37] <ozymandias2> no real reason, I am still learning puppet and coming up with the solution | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:29:22] <ozymandias2> have not got to the non-puppet hosts yet, other than a single VMware host I created by hand so that my nagios conf was valid when I set a parental relationship from the vmware clients to the vmware hosts | ||
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| [2012/01/15 14:29:37] <KristianDK> hehe | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:30:14] <ozymandias2> there is plenty to do before tackling that question ;-) | ||
| [2012/01/15 14:30:29] <ozymandias2> we have a bunch of environments to set up default checks for | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:28:09] <f0> hi | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:28:39] <f0> i use exported resources (host) and Host <<||>> to collect them | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:29:26] <f0> i have 2 hosts i would collect via <<||>> , but only one should rstart a service after <<||>> | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:30:00] <johwir> Is there any easy way to download ALL modules from moduleforge? | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:30:31] <f0> if i try this, i always get an error on the other node (without the restart dependency), that the service dnsmasq on host xxx is not found | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:36:04] <KristianDK> johwir, why exactly would you want to do that? :) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:52:55] <johwir> KristianDK: I want to learn more about using Puppet. Studying puppet modules would be i good start.. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:53:14] <johwir> And clicking through the website a zillion times is kind of boring. | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:53:45] <KristianDK> johwir, indeed, the puppet docs are not super exciting nor easy to read | ||
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| [2012/01/15 15:54:31] <KristianDK> well, i would recommend the recent book by James Turnbull and then have a look at http://www.puppetcookbook.com/ ;) | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:55:25] <KristianDK> one thing i found out when I had to learn puppet, was that most modules didn't work for me - so the best thing is to decide what you want to create, and then use the resources (such as the puppet cook book and the puppet types documentation) to create it | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:57:12] <KristianDK> johwir, i also open sourced all the modules we use at work: https://github.com/dploi/dploi-puppet | ||
| [2012/01/15 15:57:21] <KristianDK> you can browse them directly at github | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:02:42] <tty00> hello, is it possible to call a class in a subdir to a module from site.pp? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:03:48] <KristianDK> tty00, i guess, but you would need to import it | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:03:55] <KristianDK> either from the module or site.pp | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:04:27] <johwir> KristianDK: Thank you for the links! | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:04:49] <KristianDK> johwir, np | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:04:49] <solarce> johwir: I grabbed ebooks of both pro puppet and bitfield's puppet cookbook, as i need to learn puppet for a new job | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:05:07] <solarce> johwir: that and writing my own stuff in some vagrant boxes seems to be the way to go | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:06:16] <KristianDK> solarce, can you setup the vagrant boxes to use both puppet master and agents? Last time i checked it out, i only saw the possibility to apply manifests on each machine | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:06:58] <solarce> KristianDK: dunno, I'm focused on just running stuff local to begin with | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:07:10] <solarce> KristianDK: same way i started messing with chef, "solo" first | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:07:41] <solarce> I'm going into a place with a well established puppet setup, so building a puppet master isn't high on my list yet | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:07:55] <KristianDK> solarce, sure, I was just asking because I have a hard time debugging some ENC stuff at the moment, and now i simply bought a few rackspace instances to test it | ||
| [2012/01/15 16:08:34] <solarce> KristianDK: making your own virtualbox vms could work, but rcs or ec2 instances work just as well too | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:09:12] <KristianDK> solarce, yeah, except you have to pay for ec2 or rcs :P and i ended up having like 5 vms permanently for testing puppet | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:09:52] <tty00> KristianDK: tnx :) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:26:45] <johwir> solarce: So which book was the best one? Wich one to start reading today? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 16:58:46] <eskp> johwir: pro puppet is the most up to date | ||
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| [2012/01/15 17:06:58] <johwir> eskp: Thanks. Will buy that one then. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 17:23:07] <solarce> johwir: I'm reading pro puppet first | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:04:15] <Diranged> is there a way i can set a 'max current builds' type option, and have puppet intentionally delay any other incoming requests until there are available build slots ready? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:05:30] <Diranged> right now we occationally trigger a puppet run on 5-10 machines at the same time. when we do that, our puppet master ends up faiiling on a few of them because its too slow. i know the splay option does this in general all the time — but is there a way to force it even if a bunch of clients connect at the same time | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:17:43] <Volcane> your master is using passenger? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:20:54] <Diranged> yeah | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:21:11] <Volcane> and you set it to allow more concurrent running masters? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:21:37] <Diranged> yeah | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:21:54] <Diranged> PassengerMaxPoolSize was set to 20.. but that was a leftover default from a while ago. i think 4 is better.. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:22:30] <Volcane> each one isnt multi threaded or capable of handling multiple requests | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:22:37] <Volcane> so 4 is good for 4 concurrent runs probably | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:22:57] <Diranged> ok.. so what happens if all 4 are in use? will apache just 'delay' the connection until a new one becomes available? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:23:09] <Volcane> yeah up to some limit | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:24:19] <Diranged> is it something i configure on the puppet clients? some timeout or something? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:25:34] <Volcane> 4 master processes just wont be enough for 10 clients connecting at the exact same time | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:25:51] <Diranged> honestly, we dont have the cpu horsepower to handle that anyways — so i want to delay the other 6 for example | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:27:00] <Volcane> then you'll need a more intelligent way of scheduling the runs | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:28:11] <Diranged> so what if i set the max to say 2 … and 10 clients come in. will apache just delay them? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:31:45] <Volcane> each client will make many many connections | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:31:48] <Volcane> 1 per file etc | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:31:57] <Volcane> possibly 2 per file if it has to copy the files | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:33:09] <Diranged> ah yeah.. ive been wanting to turn on the whole compiled catalog build thingy where it builds the whole catalog with all of the files in it.. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:33:47] <GoodKarma> so there is such option then? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:34:58] <GoodKarma> i have no doubt that it would be rather cpu intensive task, but probably could speed up the things a little bit on the client | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:35:30] <Diranged> i know it was in development, i dont remmeber if it was finnished or not | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:35:32] <Diranged> i need to look around | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:35:45] <Volcane> Diranged: apparently that doesnt include the files, not tested but thats what i was told | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:35:57] <Volcane> only the file meta data - saving a lot of roundtrips but not all | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:36:10] <Diranged> Volcane: odd — i thought a huge part of it was to have it include the files themselves… hrmm | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:36:20] <GoodKarma> oh well, Volcane so what the big guys with +1000 clients do then in this case? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:36:51] <GoodKarma> 10k even | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:37:01] <Diranged> GoodKarma: in my last puppet environment we had about 900 clients, and did it with 3 reasonably configured VMs .. | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:37:11] <Diranged> GoodKarma: and we didnt need to tune anything | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:37:35] <Volcane> yeah thought so too - I need to confirm its the case | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:37:48] <Diranged> but im noticing that having 1 server (at my current place), even 5 servers hitting it at the same time, im running into performance issues.. | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:37:51] <Volcane> GoodKarma: multiple masters | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:38:09] <GoodKarma> how many is multiple? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:38:23] <GoodKarma> roughly one per how many clients? | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:38:33] <Volcane> you can server 100s of servers with 1 server if you have many cores in the machine and can run 1 to 2 master instances per core | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:38:50] <GoodKarma> i see | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:38:56] <Volcane> and if you avoid things like using it as a file server - ie copy config files not tarballs or rpms | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:40:17] <Diranged> Volcane: thats why im trying to figure some of these tuning params out.. | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:40:54] <Diranged> Volcane: the real probelm I think is the number of compiles that get attempted at once.. i dont care if hosts get delayed a minute or two. | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:41:17] <GoodKarma> we are still new to puppet, but currently we just do some post jumpstart tasks in puppet, ie. copy this config file, populate another one from template, install a package (rpms are sourced from rhn), etc... so nothing sophisticated really;; | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:41:41] <Volcane> configtimeout defauls to 2 minutes | ||
| [2012/01/15 18:42:07] <Volcane> if it takes that long to compile a catelog its probably wont work in general | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:44:22] <GoodKarma> anyway, what on earth am I doing here at nearly midnight.... | ||
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| [2012/01/15 18:48:39] <abetterlie> GoodKarma: getting things done :) | ||
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| [2012/01/15 19:00:21] <Diranged> is splay a client or a master side setting? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 20:20:09] <pdtpatrick_> so the best way to make your server real time (avoiding the 30mins wait) is to use MCollective ? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 20:23:50] <abetterlie> pdtpatrick_: Generally speaking, yes. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 20:52:20] <mosen> can a custom type have a parameter default to a fact? or is that bad design in practice? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 21:24:20] <rodjek> mosen: can't see a reason why not | ||
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| [2012/01/15 21:26:40] <lkthomas> guys | ||
| [2012/01/15 21:27:11] <lkthomas> is it better to have auto checkout/update for puppet config with svn ? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 21:38:10] <abetterlie> lkthomas: I don't do it because it can lead to careless mistakes | ||
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| [2012/01/15 22:26:23] <cweagans> I'm looking for a way to distribute one of my server configurations. Why should I use puppet over chef? | ||
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| [2012/01/15 22:29:52] <rodjek> cweagans: that's hard to answer, it's kind of a personal preference thing | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:30:08] <rodjek> i'd suggest giving both a try and see which one you prefer | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:30:41] <cweagans> Are there any technical benefits of going with one over the other? This is the first time I've ever considered a tool like this. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 22:33:45] <rodjek> in all honesty, they both perform the same basic tasks | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:34:09] <rodjek> puppet has a nice simple dsl which doesn't require everyone to know ruby in order to make changes | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:34:22] <rodjek> may or may not be a selling point for you | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:34:59] <cweagans> hrm. I think I'd rather spend time learning Ruby than some language that I'll only ever use for this task. | ||
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| [2012/01/15 22:36:48] <rodjek> you can also use ruby in puppet | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:37:18] <rodjek> as i said, the best thing would be to play with both | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:37:22] <rodjek> and see which one you like | ||
| [2012/01/15 22:37:40] <cweagans> alright. Thanks for the advice :) | ||
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