Friday, 2012-01-20

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[2012/01/20 00:11:18] <dissipate> anyone have a puppet manifest that shows how to set up a mysql slave database?
[2012/01/20 00:11:28] <dissipate> i found a recipe for setting up mysql, but not a slave database.
[2012/01/20 00:11:45] <bob2> sure you want to automate it?
[2012/01/20 00:12:20] <dissipate> bob2, yep. why not? i'm already automating setting up the master database.
[2012/01/20 00:12:37] <bob2> ok
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[2012/01/20 00:13:23] <dissipate> i'm just not familiar with setting up a slave database, nor do i know how to best automate that using puppet.
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[2012/01/20 00:17:36] <bob2> do it by hand a bunch of times first
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[2012/01/20 01:12:45] <lkthomas> guys, how could I generate a list of domain which is on my puppet server cert ?
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[2012/01/20 01:17:56] <ptman> lkthomas, puppet cert -l -a ?
[2012/01/20 01:18:18] <lkthomas> ok, and I keep forgetting how to add alternate domain name
[2012/01/20 01:19:13] <gaveen> Is there anything like Crowbar for Puppet? I'm looking for something that takes from bare-metal to os level.
[2012/01/20 01:19:16] <ptman> or did you mean openssl x509 -text -noout -in /var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/server.pem
[2012/01/20 01:19:27] <lkthomas> openssl x509 one is work fine
[2012/01/20 01:19:28] <ptman> gaveen, foreman?
[2012/01/20 01:19:35] <lkthomas> but how to add alter domain name
[2012/01/20 01:19:50] <ptman> openssl req ...
[2012/01/20 01:19:53] <gaveen> ptman, let me check
[2012/01/20 01:19:59] <lkthomas> ptman, huh ?
[2012/01/20 01:20:21] <ptman> lkthomas, generate a certificate request with the desired subject alternative name and sign that using the puppet ca
[2012/01/20 01:20:37] <lkthomas> ptman, any docs for that? I am not very good at openssl
[2012/01/20 01:20:43] <ptman> man req
[2012/01/20 01:21:07] <ptman> or google openssl certificate request
[2012/01/20 01:21:36] <ptman> or, if you're ready to regenerate all puppet certificates, you can remove /var/lib/puppet/ssl and put something in the puppet config file, I think
[2012/01/20 01:22:26] <lkthomas> I think puppet cert --certdnsnames could help
[2012/01/20 01:23:11] <ptman> # The `certdnsnames` setting is no longer functional,
[2012/01/20 01:23:11] <ptman> # after CVE-2011-3872. We ignore the value completely.
[2012/01/20 01:23:24] <ptman> dnsaltnames is what you want
[2012/01/20 01:23:25] <lkthomas> --dns_alt_names
[2012/01/20 01:23:36] <ptman> yes, that
[2012/01/20 01:23:54] <ptman> but you should really learn to generate csrs
[2012/01/20 01:24:09] <ptman> you can't just rebuild every certificate every time you need to change something
[2012/01/20 01:24:28] <lkthomas> if I rebuild, does it means all puppet client need to be sign again ?
[2012/01/20 01:24:57] <ptman> t does if you remove /var/lib/puppet/ssl
[2012/01/20 01:25:10] <lkthomas> what if I use --dns_alt_names instead ?
[2012/01/20 01:26:59] <gaveen> ptman, foreman does from OS to Puppet prov, which is neat. I'm looking for something from bare-metal to OS
[2012/01/20 01:27:24] <ptman> gaveen, foreman + kickstart / preseed ?
[2012/01/20 01:27:34] <ptman> lkthomas, try
[2012/01/20 01:27:43] <ptman> (but keep backups)
[2012/01/20 01:28:31] <lkthomas> Could not parse options: invalid option: --dns_alt_names=
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[2012/01/20 01:28:33] <lkthomas> what the hell ?!
[2012/01/20 01:28:55] <gaveen> ptman, so far it seems so. Have seen setups with cobbler, etc. Prize goes to somthing which isn't distro specific
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[2012/01/20 01:31:49] <lkthomas> Could not parse options: invalid option: --dns_alt_names
[2012/01/20 01:31:53] <lkthomas> why invalid option ?!
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[2012/01/20 01:33:55] <lkthomas> ptman, you there ?
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[2012/01/20 01:34:35] <ptman> I am
[2012/01/20 01:34:37] <ptman> but have no idea
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[2012/01/20 01:36:30] <lkthomas> puppet seems broken
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[2012/01/20 01:40:30] <lkthomas> anyone else have idea ?
[2012/01/20 01:40:37] <lkthomas> I can't get dns_alt_names working
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[2012/01/20 01:48:01] <lkthomas> seems no one awake
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[2012/01/20 01:58:09] <gepetto> ::redmine:: Wiki edit: Triageathon (#11) @ http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Triageathon?version=11 (by James Turnbull)
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[2012/01/20 02:02:08] <lkthomas> anyone still alive ?
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[2012/01/20 02:09:22] <ohadlevy> gaveen: foreman is not distro specific
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[2012/01/20 02:15:01] <rmt_> lkthomas, What are you trying to do (regarding dns_alt_names) ?
[2012/01/20 02:16:00] <rmt_> ohadlevy, I see that Foreman's getting a bit of a boost from RH. A director was told about it in a sales pitch the other day. ;-)
[2012/01/20 02:16:27] <ohadlevy> rmt_: oh, nice to know
[2012/01/20 02:16:40] <ohadlevy> rmt_: what did they say? :)
[2012/01/20 02:17:48] <rmt_> It was as part of katello .. I guess he'd been describing the way we're doing thing's, and they started talking up Katello as the future.
[2012/01/20 02:18:24] <Dominic> lkthomas: dns_alt_names replaced certdnsnames which was fundamentally broken. If you don't have it, your version of Puppet's out of date.
[2012/01/20 02:19:28] <lkthomas> rmt_, add alternate DNS name
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[2012/01/20 02:19:53] <lkthomas> Dominic, mine one is 2.7.5
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[2012/01/20 02:20:59] <Dominic> lkthomas: if you're generating the cert by hand with puppetca --generate, then you could add --certdnsnames youralias.example.com to the puppetca call. Just don't put certdnsnams in puppet.conf or you'll end up hitting CVE-2011-3872.
[2012/01/20 02:21:09] <Dominic> it changed in 2.7.8 to use dns_alt_names
[2012/01/20 02:21:14] <lkthomas> I see
[2012/01/20 02:21:19] <rmt_> lkthomas, try certdnsnames .. the patch looks to be very new.
[2012/01/20 02:21:26] <lkthomas> I don't know why last time it works
[2012/01/20 02:21:30] <rmt_> (but good to know, thanks Dominic)
[2012/01/20 02:21:44] <drewp> wow, did i come in exactly as you were already answering my question?
[2012/01/20 02:21:59] <lkthomas> I am almost pissed off by that freaking alt dns name
[2012/01/20 02:23:02] <drewp> i can't get going because of cert stuff. I'm on firewalled machines with an ssh tunnel, so i would love to have as little cert/ssl as possible. agent fails with "hostname was not match with the server certificate" (probably because i call the server 'localhost', but it calls itself something else)
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[2012/01/20 02:23:29] <lkthomas> hostname must match
[2012/01/20 02:23:58] <drewp> something's got to lie, or puppet needs to use the name 'localhost'
[2012/01/20 02:24:35] <Dominic> drewp: hehe, so yes, you should set dns_alt_names (on recent 2.6 or 2.7 versions) to "localhost" before the master is started for the first time
[2012/01/20 02:24:56] <lkthomas> I might ask this question before but I keep forget, how to do grouping of nodes and define what should be implement within the node group ?
[2012/01/20 02:26:36] <drewp> 2.7.1-1ubuntu3.2 here. It's too late for the first time on the master- is there something i need to zap to reset it?
[2012/01/20 02:26:55] <drewp> just "dns_alt_names = localhost" and a reset has had no effect
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[2012/01/20 02:32:37] <Dominic> drewp: you'd need to clean the certs out on the master, plus the cached copies on clients. I'd just do a `find /var/lib/puppet/ssl -type f -delete` (that's the RHEL path, Debian should be similar).
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[2012/01/20 02:34:18] <drewp> yay
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[2012/01/20 02:36:14] <drewp> puppet agent --certname=foo means to use the site.pp section called 'node foo { include ..." right?
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[2012/01/20 02:37:00] <drewp> (it's not behaving that way: --test says it's finished without actually doing the work)
[2012/01/20 02:41:58] <lkthomas> guys, does node support *.uk.domain.com expression ?
[2012/01/20 02:42:46] <drewp> disregard my last one- wasn't editing the right site.pp
[2012/01/20 02:43:50] <kjetilho> lkthomas: puppet apply -e 'node "*.com" { notify { "tryit": } }'
[2012/01/20 02:44:27] <lkthomas> ummm, thansk
[2012/01/20 02:44:29] <lkthomas> thanks*
[2012/01/20 02:44:37] <kjetilho> :-) but you can use a regexp instead
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[2012/01/20 02:44:44] <lkthomas> no way
[2012/01/20 02:44:46] <lkthomas> that's why I am asking
[2012/01/20 02:44:54] <lkthomas> trying to avoid using regexp, it's a mess
[2012/01/20 02:45:15] <kjetilho> I don't see the difference between a glob and a regexp, really
[2012/01/20 02:45:33] <lkthomas> wildcard is braindumb
[2012/01/20 02:45:35] <kjetilho> node /\.uk\.domain\.com$/
[2012/01/20 02:45:41] <lkthomas> WTF LOL
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[2012/01/20 02:47:34] <drewp> how 'live' can things get between my saving of site.pp and the clients making the change? ideally they would just follow my edits as fast as possible
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[2012/01/20 02:49:28] <kjetilho> drewp: default is the client polls every 30 minutes. you can use mcollective or similar to launch explicitly, though
[2012/01/20 02:50:25] <lkthomas> I think it's too often
[2012/01/20 02:50:27] <drewp> can i merely take that down to 10sec polling while i'm testing?
[2012/01/20 02:50:37] <lkthomas> heh
[2012/01/20 02:50:38] <lkthomas> good question
[2012/01/20 02:50:42] <kjetilho> haha
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[2012/01/20 02:50:47] * lkthomas want to know as well
[2012/01/20 02:50:52] <drewp> seems like the behavior is right already, just the timing isn't appropriate
[2012/01/20 02:50:52] <kjetilho> how long does a puppet run take on your nodes?
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[2012/01/20 02:51:15] <kjetilho> on my nodes, it can easily take a minute to see that nothing needs to be done
[2012/01/20 02:51:22] <drewp> 0.04 seconds, since i just started. I understand that as i add bigger steps, the first update that sees those steps will be slower
[2012/01/20 02:51:29] <drewp> aha
[2012/01/20 02:52:07] <lkthomas> errr, if I set nodes name is *.uk.domain.com, how could I exclude some host ?
[2012/01/20 02:52:09] <drewp> i'm not sure what this will turn into. my setup is "get a darcs repo, run scons, launch the server". i don't think there will ultimately be that many things that puppet has to check
[2012/01/20 02:52:14] <kjetilho> I guess it is possible to speed up my nodes' runs. e.g., on Ubuntu they always run apt-get update first
[2012/01/20 02:52:45] <drewp> perhaps i would temporarily suppress the ones like apt-get update while i'm developing
[2012/01/20 02:52:49] <kjetilho> lkthomas: it will pick the most specific node name
[2012/01/20 02:53:21] <lkthomas> so if 1.uk.domain.com and *.uk.domain.com coexists, it will pick 1.uk.domain.com one instead ?
[2012/01/20 02:53:32] <kjetilho> yes
[2012/01/20 02:53:44] <lkthomas> ok, thanks
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[2012/01/20 03:02:28] <drewp> the answer to quick-updates is simply --runinterval 10 on the 'puppet agent' cmdline
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[2012/01/20 03:12:11] <lkthomas> Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Could not parse for environment production: '*.uk.domain.com' is not a valid hostname
[2012/01/20 03:12:12] <lkthomas> huh ?
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[2012/01/20 03:15:41] <haus> lkthomas: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/language_guide.html#nodes
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[2012/01/20 03:16:33] <lkthomas> how come it doesn't support wildcard ?
[2012/01/20 03:16:38] <lkthomas> I have seen that before
[2012/01/20 03:16:40] <haus> try /^.*.uk.domain.com$/ instead
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[2012/01/20 03:16:57] <haus> er
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[2012/01/20 03:17:23] <haus> properly escaped .s /^.*\.uk\.domain\.com$/
[2012/01/20 03:17:59] * lkthomas hate regexp
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[2012/01/20 03:36:36] <sarguru_> *love regexp :p
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[2012/01/20 03:57:31] <cirbri> Strings in Puppet. Eh? Does anyone know whether it's possible to have them span new lines without including new lines inside the string?
[2012/01/20 03:57:45] <cirbri> Like how SH allows you to put a \
[2012/01/20 03:57:58] <cirbri> at the end of a line to continue it on the next line.
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[2012/01/20 04:02:19] <kjetilho> cirbri: I haven't found a way
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[2012/01/20 04:08:49] <mpdude> i would like to add users to an extra group if a node includes a particular class. for example, if the node includes ssh_server all users created through a "make_user" definition should be included in a "ssh" group. here's what I tried: http://pastebin.com/Nc2wf2da
[2012/01/20 04:09:24] <mpdude> this fails with "Only subclasses can override parameters" - what's wrong with my approach?
[2012/01/20 04:10:07] <dcarley> cirbri: http://pastie.org/3217978
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[2012/01/20 04:11:40] <cirbri> dcarley: Ah, I didn't explain myself righ -- I meant in such a was that wouldn't include the line-returns. Such that your example would read "foobarfoobar".
[2012/01/20 04:11:58] <dcarley> cirbri: ah :)
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[2012/01/20 04:13:21] <dcarley> typically if the content is that long then it's best to just pull in a template or file.
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[2012/01/20 04:16:06] <cirbri> Desdic_: Oh, this code works -- although I think a saw a bug report saying that it's broken in some newer version of Puppet.
[2012/01/20 04:16:12] <cirbri> file{ "/tmp/foo.text": content =>"Hello, there, bubs.\
[2012/01/20 04:16:12] <cirbri> Goodbye."; }
[2012/01/20 04:16:12] <cirbri> How's it hanging?\
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[2012/01/20 05:20:51] <hno2> Hm. Need to execute a bunch of things if a certain directory is missing. Is there some good way to tie this into a file resource? Or do I need to use an exec resource with an unless clause?
[2012/01/20 05:21:45] <hno2> the directory itself also needs to be created obviously. Then some commands need to be run to initialize things within the directory.
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[2012/01/20 05:45:01] <tyska> _rc: morning!
[2012/01/20 05:45:23] <tyska> _rc: i had to go suddenly yesterday
[2012/01/20 05:45:56] <tyska> _rc: i'm sorry for the misunderstanding yesterday
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[2012/01/20 05:51:38] <tyska> i run curl http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/public-ipv4 but nothing happens
[2012/01/20 05:51:43] <tyska> am i doing something wrong?
[2012/01/20 05:51:57] <henk> hno2: I’d go for an exec
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[2012/01/20 05:52:30] <tyska> wrong channel guys, im sorry
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[2012/01/20 05:58:50] <caaakeeey> whats the most standard way of getting puppet onto your nodes in the first place?
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[2012/01/20 05:59:08] <tyska> can i use custom facts on puppet.conf?
[2012/01/20 05:59:14] <caaakeeey> a custom os image with puppet on it, or automated remote ssh?
[2012/01/20 05:59:18] <hno2> Hm. another exec question. Can I notify an exec to have it executed whenever a file resource changes?
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[2012/01/20 06:02:39] <tyska> can i use custom facts on puppet.conf?
[2012/01/20 06:02:56] <henk> hno2: subscribe to the file resource.
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[2012/01/20 06:04:50] <hno2> henk, thanks. found it now.
[2012/01/20 06:06:02] <_rc> tyska: you can't use any facts in the puppet.conf, unless you're talking about expanding it from a template, in which case you can go hig wild
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[2012/01/20 06:07:14] <_rc> caaakeeey: os packages, enough configuration in the kickstart to bootstrap it post-install
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[2012/01/20 06:07:39] <tyska> _rc: i'm studying that custom facts thing, now i know how to grab the public ip inside my instance, but i dont know how to use it on puppet.conf, because that 'ipaddress' value to node_name_fact is getting the private ip rather the public one
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[2012/01/20 06:11:41] <_rc> tyska: so instead of saying ipaddress, say name_of_my_wonderful_fact
[2012/01/20 06:12:12] <tyska> _rc: yeah, but this is on puppet.conf, you said i cant do that
[2012/01/20 06:13:04] <_rc> I didn't say you couldn't do that, I said in puppet.conf you can't just refer to $fish. you can set node_name_fact to the name of any fact available
[2012/01/20 06:14:04] <tyska> _rc: right, let me try this
[2012/01/20 06:14:11] <_rc> tyska: you didn't say 'can I use a custom fact for node_name_fact', so I answered the question you appeared to be asking. I apologise, but please ask clearer questions
[2012/01/20 06:15:25] <hno2> henk, that actually answered my first question as well. file resource defining the directory and an exec resource subscribing to it with refreshonly set to true.
[2012/01/20 06:15:26] <tyska> np, in fact, things are still cloudy to me when talking about puppet, i'm just learning the first steps and concepts
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[2012/01/20 06:19:19] <tyska> _rc: It worked out graceful!! Thanks
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[2012/01/20 06:28:33] <tyska> im having this problem to use file core type -- Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/
[2012/01/20 06:28:57] <tyska> but my fileserver.conf and my auth.conf looks to be fine to me, i will pastebin they
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[2012/01/20 06:33:31] <abien> I have a box which collects nagios_* resources and writes them out to nagios configs. At this point its about 240 nagios_hosts with aprox 3.000 nagios_services. The puppet setup is puppetmaster via mongrel, storedconfigs with mysql. A puppetrun on the nagios server takes about 15 Minutes and i am wondering if there is anything that i need to do to optimize things.. 15 minutes makes me think...
[2012/01/20 06:33:33] <abien> ...something isnt right.
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[2012/01/20 06:33:54] <henk> I have a machine where the catalog run finishes in >80 seconds, according to --summarize File resources take 51.33 seconds. Is using --debug the only way to get a hint which resource is actualld needing that long?
[2012/01/20 06:34:07] <tyska> here are useful information http://pastebin.com/t3kD0VPq
[2012/01/20 06:34:31] <tyska> the file teste is on directory /etc/puppet/files, but i still got that error message
[2012/01/20 06:34:38] <tyska> Error 400 on SERVER: Not authorized to call find on /file_metadata/
[2012/01/20 06:34:56] <abien> henk: if you have a lot of recursive stuff going on in your file resources (say for instance to copy directories) then thats a good place to start looking. Its known to be a performance hog. (other than that i dont know)
[2012/01/20 06:35:15] <_rc> tyska: put all the information in the paste
[2012/01/20 06:35:51] <tyska> _rc: you mean all the information of the files?
[2012/01/20 06:35:52] <henk> abien: It’s by far not what I’d call "a lot"…
[2012/01/20 06:36:34] <_rc> tyska: I mean you put the fragments in the paste, and then the error message in the channel. put the error message in the paste so it's self-contained.
[2012/01/20 06:36:56] <tyska> _rc: ok ok sorry
[2012/01/20 06:37:03] <henk> And perhaps add a recursive ls to the file…
[2012/01/20 06:38:20] <tyska> _rc: here it is http://pastebin.com/eggZg3p1
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[2012/01/20 06:44:38] <tyska> _rc: did you found some mistake on my configs?
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[2012/01/20 06:47:32] <_rc> tyska: I didn't give them more than a cursory glance because it's not something I'm familiar with.
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[2012/01/20 07:08:31] <tyska> someone could help me with my problem -- see it here http://pastebin.com/eggZg3p1
[2012/01/20 07:08:34] <tyska> ?
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[2012/01/20 07:11:38] <robthoms__> tyska, not sure.. restarted the puppetmaster?
[2012/01/20 07:12:07] <tyska> robthoms__: yeah, already did that
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[2012/01/20 07:28:05] <tyska> guys, im having problems to use core type file in a master/agent architecture, could someone help me? Here are the informations needed http://pastebin.com/eggZg3p1
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[2012/01/20 07:34:16] <ddp23> 2.7 upgrade question: previously we were able to use $title inside a define block, it seems now that we can't. Is this option still available, scoping issue maybe?
[2012/01/20 07:34:52] <ddp23> i.e. where $title would take on the meta name given to the define block
[2012/01/20 07:35:01] <henk> ddp23: Have you tried using $name? IIRC that’s what I use in my defines…
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[2012/01/20 07:43:02] <tyska> i have to go, thanks for the help _rc
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[2012/01/20 07:44:24] <ddp23> thanks henk, looks like: $foo-$bar-$moo now needs to be written as ${foo}-${bar}-${moo} and probably scopes, too. puppet-lint here I come I guess...
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[2012/01/20 07:46:07] <qwebirc32897> Hi is there someone who can answer to a puppet question ?
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[2012/01/20 07:46:43] <henk> qwebirc32897: in #puppet? I doubt it…
[2012/01/20 07:47:48] <qwebirc32897> I have a class defined like this :
[2012/01/20 07:47:59] <qwebirc32897> class samba_req_packages { package { "samba": ensure => "purged" } package { 'samba-client': ensure => "purged" } package { 'samba-common': ensure => "purged" } package { "samba3x": ensure => "installed" } }
[2012/01/20 07:48:17] <henk> perfectly readable…
[2012/01/20 07:48:31] <qwebirc32897> hmmm let me post it line by line
[2012/01/20 07:48:35] <qwebirc32897> sorry for that
[2012/01/20 07:48:35] <henk> Definitely better than nicely aligned in a pastebin!
[2012/01/20 07:48:45] <qwebirc32897> i used irc 10 yrs ago the last time :)
[2012/01/20 07:49:05] <qwebirc32897> class samba_req_packages {
[2012/01/20 07:49:09] <henk> use pastie.org!
[2012/01/20 07:49:12] <qwebirc32897> package { "samba":
[2012/01/20 07:49:36] <qwebirc32897> ok let me see
[2012/01/20 07:51:24] <qwebirc32897> class samba_req_packages { package { "samba": ensure => "purged" } package { 'samba-client': ensure => "purged" } package { 'samba-common': ensure => "purged" } package { "samba3x": ensure => "installed" } }
[2012/01/20 07:51:37] <qwebirc32897> nope
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[2012/01/20 07:53:14] <qwebirc32897> anyway i have two packages samba and samba3x
[2012/01/20 07:53:28] <qwebirc32897> when I try to purge samba it deletes samba3x too
[2012/01/20 07:53:53] <qwebirc32897> is there a regexp or something that makes the command package { "samba": ensure => "purged"
[2012/01/20 07:54:04] <qwebirc32897> only purge samba and not samba3x ?
[2012/01/20 07:54:44] <anrxc> what's samba3x maybe it Provides: samba, or provides same thing samba package provides, or samba is a meta package
[2012/01/20 07:54:55] <qwebirc32897> no they are separate
[2012/01/20 07:54:59] <qwebirc32897> in REDHAT
[2012/01/20 07:55:00] <qwebirc32897> 5
[2012/01/20 07:55:08] <henk> qwebirc32897: It’s probably not puppet doing that, but the package manager.
[2012/01/20 07:55:40] <qwebirc32897> I will try yum remove samba and check that
[2012/01/20 07:55:43] <anrxc> samba3x depends on samba perhaps
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[2012/01/20 08:31:38] <ddp23> hi, can anyone tell me why ${::name} seems to end up being set to "main" at http://pastebin.com/Z7xkHqPt - I would expect it to be set to: "open-mysql-port-for-slave"?
[2012/01/20 08:32:17] <_rc> $::name isn't $name. $:: means go to the outermost scope
[2012/01/20 08:32:33] <ddp23> ah, ok thanks
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[2012/01/20 08:34:31] <ddp23> so, when I change it to ${name}, I get: Failed to apply catalog: Parameter require failed: No title provided and "Package[]" is not a valid resource reference ?
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[2012/01/20 08:35:24] <_rc> there's no Package in that paste, so it's somewhere else
[2012/01/20 08:35:39] <qwebirc32897> OK tnx, i used provider rpm to remove packages and yum to install and it did the trick
[2012/01/20 08:35:42] <qwebirc32897> tnx
[2012/01/20 08:35:45] <ddp23> ah, thanks _rc
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[2012/01/20 08:41:08] <icezimm> somebody would recommend me and article/doc on debugging modules?
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[2012/01/20 08:42:37] <Volcane> icezimm: http://www.devco.net/archives/2009/08/19/tips_and_tricks_for_puppet_debugging.php
[2012/01/20 08:43:00] <icezimm> thank you Volcane =)
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[2012/01/20 09:03:06] <`mx> can you have subdirectories with your files directory of a module?
[2012/01/20 09:03:14] <anrxc> of course
[2012/01/20 09:03:26] <anrxc> what a mess it would be otherwise
[2012/01/20 09:04:06] <`mx> so then for sourcing it would be puppet://$puppetserver/modules/<module>/files/<subdirectory>/<file>
[2012/01/20 09:04:10] <`mx> ?
[2012/01/20 09:04:33] <`mx> err. puppet://$puppetserver/modules/<module>/<subdirectory>/<file>
[2012/01/20 09:05:16] <_rc> you can drop $puppetserver too
[2012/01/20 09:05:54] <_rc> but yes, that's the syntax
[2012/01/20 09:09:48] <`mx> werd. thx
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[2012/01/20 09:14:58] <`mx> still having issues. here is what I have for a config. http://pastebin.ladeda.org/896
[2012/01/20 09:15:28] <`mx> and the error I am getting is " Could not evaluate: Could not retrieve information from source(s)"
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[2012/01/20 09:16:57] <henk> The relevant info is missing…
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[2012/01/20 09:17:43] <`mx> henk: sorry that was a snippet of what I have.
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[2012/01/20 09:23:40] <Volcane> `mx: best to show the actual error message, code, class names etc - and generally best to avoid iDiOtCapsClasses
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[2012/01/20 09:25:21] <sarguru_> `mx: I cant see any error messages there/
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[2012/01/20 09:25:45] <henk> `mx: So you have no files? Then the cause is pretty obvious isn’t it?
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[2012/01/20 09:27:47] <`mx> henk: there is a default file
[2012/01/20 09:29:31] <Volcane> `mx: this would be part of the relevant information you didnt show - please make a new pastie with as much information as possible, not as little as possible. we cant guess what u have
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[2012/01/20 09:31:28] <`mx> yeah. sorry. You can ignore me . I found the error.
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[2012/01/20 09:44:40] <hno2> Is there any recommendation on how to express os package dependencies in modules? I mean I can use package {}, but it does not scale too well when several modules requires the same os package to be installed.
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[2012/01/20 09:45:23] <misc> using include base::packages, with a base/manifests/packages.pp file ?
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[2012/01/20 09:46:49] <hno2> That would include all packages in all modules, not what I want. I want that if I use module A then OS package a,b,c should be installed, if module B then os package c,d, and if both A & B then a,b,c,d.
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[2012/01/20 09:47:51] <mfridh> hno2: I've got a package module, each package is a class... include package::pv include package::sysstat ... I guess further on I will parameterize them as need arises and allow class {'package::sysstat': ensure => 'absent', version => '5.5' }
[2012/01/20 09:47:58] <mfridh> anyway that's the idea. guess I'll find out if it scales.
[2012/01/20 09:48:24] <Volcane> hno2: u have to use package - and your packages must have their own dependencies in them as normal
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[2012/01/20 09:48:44] <mfridh> Volcane: what about my idea, silly?
[2012/01/20 09:49:03] <hno2> Volcane, the issue is in how to best deal with module 'A' and 'B' both needing package 'c' in a scaleable manner.
[2012/01/20 09:49:05] <Volcane> its fine, except it doesnt really create loose standing modules
[2012/01/20 09:49:13] <Volcane> your mysql module must configure and install mysql on its own
[2012/01/20 09:49:45] <mfridh> Volcane: I'm using it only for packages which are common dependencies of other modules so far
[2012/01/20 09:49:48] <Volcane> hno2: look at virtual resources, but really if say foo requires apache and bar requies apache, then make an apache module and include it in both foo and bar
[2012/01/20 09:50:01] <Volcane> hno2: u can include multiple times
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[2012/01/20 09:51:12] <hno2> ok, so either virtual resources or classes per package like mfridh. Having each package special cased in how to express dependency on it is not an option.
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[2012/01/20 09:52:15] <mfridh> say, if I could check for availability of a package::mypackage class, and have the module include if it exists, otherwise do it's own package{} resource, ... is that possible?
[2012/01/20 09:53:40] <hno2> mfridh, from what I know no. And would be counter-productive as the two declarations may have different parameters in some cases.
[2012/01/20 09:54:47] <hno2> you can do conditions on facts however to select what packages to declare.
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[2012/01/20 10:02:49] <ashp> Sometimes I wish FreeBSD wasn't so terrible at everything related to packages and ports so puppet/freebsd would be a real option
[2012/01/20 10:03:25] <eventi> sometimes?
[2012/01/20 10:03:37] <ashp> Any time I have to do anything in RHEL, really :D
[2012/01/20 10:03:56] <ashp> It's just a shame not a single person who works on FreeBSD apparently uses one than one machine
[2012/01/20 10:04:03] <ashp> so the idea of easily automated things hasn't occured yet
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[2012/01/20 10:04:31] <thedonvaughn> for a long time it was a shame that not a single person who works on FreeBSD apparently didn't use more than one CPU too :)
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[2012/01/20 10:06:09] <ashp> thedonvaughn: I still love the OS so it makes me sad to see it slip behind
[2012/01/20 10:06:19] <mfridh> haha
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[2012/01/20 10:07:06] <mfridh> I love it too, ports are awesome for end-user accessibility and choice... but not fun to maintain :)
[2012/01/20 10:07:21] <mfridh> obviously though, a serious BSD admin builds all his packages once and deploys packages anyway
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[2012/01/20 10:48:18] <scoates> Syntax error at ']'; expected ']' <-- fun! (-:
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[2012/01/20 10:55:58] <`mx> is there a way to source a file only if it exists on the puppet server?
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[2012/01/20 11:18:02] <henk> `mx: Whats the point?
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[2012/01/20 11:20:10] <asteve> i have two files that require each other but also need to send a notify restart to apache; how should I manage this?
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[2012/01/20 11:20:31] <asteve> fileA is a virtual host, fileB is an include; without both there apache will crash
[2012/01/20 11:21:01] <henk> fileA requires fileB and notifies apache
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[2012/01/20 11:22:01] <asteve> henk: inside of the file definition for fileA have "Require => File["/etc/apache/fileB"]," ?
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[2012/01/20 11:23:10] <henk> Yeah, but maybe a define combining the two files to one resource is a more elegant solution
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[2012/01/20 11:23:30] <asteve> if i do a dual require will that create a deadlock?
[2012/01/20 11:24:07] <henk> dependency cycle, yes, obviously
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[2012/01/20 11:25:07] <sarguru_> asteve: Depends on the way you require
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[2012/01/20 11:38:11] <telmich> hellow
[2012/01/20 11:39:13] <telmich> I'm trying to use a variable from a different class in my .erb; the variable is defined in init.pp of the icinga module and I try to reference it in templates/icinga.cfg.erb from manifests/server.pp; I then get the error message err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Failed to parse template icinga/icinga.cfg.erb: Could not find value for 'icinga' at 19:/etc/puppet/modules/icinga/templates/icinga.cfg.erb at /etc/puppet/modules
[2012/01/20 11:39:20] <telmich> what am I doing wrong?
[2012/01/20 11:40:04] <eventi> telmich: can you paste an example?
[2012/01/20 11:40:14] <eventi> at pastie, not here :)
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[2012/01/20 11:44:31] <telmich> eventi: http://pastie.org/3219906
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[2012/01/20 11:45:27] <_rc> telmich: that's not how you get at a variable out of scope. it's scope.lookupvar("foo::bar")
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[2012/01/20 11:47:41] <telmich> _rc: thank, that works. but why do I reference them different in the erb then I do in the manifests?
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[2012/01/20 11:48:56] <_rc> because erb is over in ruby space, so the syntax rules are different to the Puppet DLS
[2012/01/20 11:49:05] <_rc> *DSL
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[2012/01/20 11:53:50] <telmich> _rc: thanks again for the explanation!
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[2012/01/20 11:58:49] <scoates> hmm.. does changing a template or a file not trigger an update? do I have to do this manually, somehow?
[2012/01/20 11:59:55] <_rc> at the next run the changes should be evaluated and if neccesary changes made
[2012/01/20 12:00:39] <scoates> it seems that didn't happen. I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
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[2012/01/20 12:01:09] <scoates> my configuration version didn't change, either
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[2012/01/20 12:05:03] <sarguru_> scoates: By update do you mean a puppet run
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[2012/01/20 12:07:20] <scoates> correct
[2012/01/20 12:07:54] <sarguru_> It cannot trigger a run by itself. You need to manage it.
[2012/01/20 12:08:17] <scoates> oh, I ran puppet manually
[2012/01/20 12:08:21] <scoates> sorry that was unclear
[2012/01/20 12:08:31] <scoates> sec
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[2012/01/20 12:08:45] <sarguru_> sec?
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[2012/01/20 12:09:35] <_rc> please hold, your free help is important to me
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[2012/01/20 12:10:14] <scoates> heh
[2012/01/20 12:10:25] <scoates> I had a colleague looking at it; didn't want to waste your time
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[2012/01/20 12:11:53] <scoates> so, basically, I have this: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/ce5c1f6cb04847e88b99f973ed3cfbca.txt ; when I change puppet:///apache/dev/ports.conf , and re-run puppet, does that not bring the new version of the file over?
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[2012/01/20 12:13:16] <f0> hi, i try these REST API Request http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/rest_api.html#resource-types
[2012/01/20 12:13:17] <_rc> it should. are you sure that resource is being applied to that node?
[2012/01/20 12:13:32] <f0> but always get Could not find indirection 'resource_typ'
[2012/01/20 12:14:26] <scoates> wow, I'm dumb. I'm sorry guys. my git push conflicted and didn't publish properly.
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[2012/01/20 12:17:21] <_rc> f0: which api call? I've seen that before with some of the ones that are pluralised in the api
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[2012/01/20 12:18:27] <f0> _rc: curl -k -H "Accept: yaml" https://10.61.11.190:8140/entwicklung/resource_types/*
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[2012/01/20 12:19:33] <_rc> yeah, that one's buggy. you need to instead call it as resource_type_search/*
[2012/01/20 12:20:06] <_rc> the mapping from _types to _type_search isn't right
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[2012/01/20 12:21:00] <f0> _rc: thanks, now this works
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[2012/01/20 12:24:28] <`mx> _rc: is there a way to verify if a file exist on the puppet server before trying to source it?
[2012/01/20 12:24:40] <_rc> `mx: why?
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[2012/01/20 12:26:27] <`mx> want to only source a file if it exists and now have a default file.
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[2012/01/20 12:26:53] <_rc> well if you have a default file, then that's easy to achieve
[2012/01/20 12:27:13] <`mx> well the default file is blank.
[2012/01/20 12:27:30] <`mx> and would rather only want to source if it exists
[2012/01/20 12:27:35] <_rc> look at the use of multiple values in the source array here http://www.puppetcookbook.com/posts/select-a-file-based-on-a-fact.html
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[2012/01/20 12:28:04] <_rc> just tell puppet what the source candidates are, it'll figure out which one is really there
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[2012/01/20 12:29:24] <peridot> Can anyone point me to some instructions, or let me know where I install an addon like vcsrepo?
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[2012/01/20 12:50:53] <Volcane> peridot: http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/plugins_in_modules.html
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[2012/01/20 12:52:07] <peridot> Volcane: Thanks! Is it a custom type?
[2012/01/20 12:52:24] <Volcane> yes
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[2012/01/20 12:54:40] <f0> _rc: hm and how i get only the classes?
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[2012/01/20 12:56:32] <philip_> hi guys
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[2012/01/20 12:57:38] <icezimm> what is the allow format of tags? [a-z]+ ?
[2012/01/20 12:57:44] <philip_> question: is there any reason, why puppet couldn't serve multiple (same hostname, same ssl keys, same setup) hosts with the same node file?
[2012/01/20 12:58:09] <philip_> icezimm: i use [a-zA-Z0-9-] without problem
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[2012/01/20 12:58:15] <philip_> beyond that i have no experience
[2012/01/20 12:58:16] <Hunner> philip_: Not afaik. The same ssl cert should be served the same catalog
[2012/01/20 12:58:53] <philip_> Hunner: thanks, this will make multiple user dev setups a blas
[2012/01/20 12:58:54] <icezimm> philip_: thank you for your reply.. was thinking about e-mail format.. but as I've tested.. don't work heheh
[2012/01/20 12:58:55] <philip_> t
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[2012/01/20 13:00:13] <Hunner> philip_: Protip, since it sound slike you know something about doing stuff... you can compile the json catalog with `puppet catalog find [nodename] > node.catalog and apply said json file with `puppet apply --apply node.catalog` in a repeatable manner
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[2012/01/20 13:01:12] <Hunner> (any file sources will still have to be fetched, but you can always bundle files in the catalog with content => template() instead)
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[2012/01/20 13:02:11] <icezimm> philip_: '.' works too.. the problem is with the @ heheh
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[2012/01/20 13:03:35] <gnat42> so I have an odd situation (all of this is within a set of test VM systems)
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[2012/01/20 13:03:59] <gnat42> I've got a master which doesn't act as a CA
[2012/01/20 13:04:06] <gnat42> and a agent that is trying to talk to it
[2012/01/20 13:04:21] <gnat42> the error I get is "Hostname was not match with the server certificate"
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[2012/01/20 13:04:39] <gnat42> however if I edit puppet.conf and set server = fdqn (through hosts file)
[2012/01/20 13:04:47] <gnat42> then I get can't connect no route to host
[2012/01/20 13:04:55] <gnat42> does puppet skip using the hosts file?
[2012/01/20 13:04:58] <philip_> Hunner: thanks, but there's a certain advantage in doing stuff always the same way
[2012/01/20 13:05:04] <gnat42> since I can ping fqdn find from a command line
[2012/01/20 13:05:09] <Hunner> gnat42: It shouldn't skip using hosts file
[2012/01/20 13:05:13] <philip_> (i.e. the devs get some ops experience)
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[2012/01/20 13:05:53] <gnat42> So I'm not sure how to fix this
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[2012/01/20 13:06:06] <gnat42> the server cert CN is vmcentos.domain.ca
[2012/01/20 13:06:28] <philip_> gnat42: do you know how to use strace?
[2012/01/20 13:06:31] <gnat42> and if I add server = vmcentos.domain.ca to /etc/puppet/puppet.conf it should just work?
[2012/01/20 13:06:38] <gnat42> philip_: somewhat yes
[2012/01/20 13:06:51] <gnat42> I didn't know I could strace a ruby program though
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[2012/01/20 13:06:56] <philip_> then strace -ff -o puppettrace puppetd --test
[2012/01/20 13:07:03] <gnat42> ah ok
[2012/01/20 13:07:12] <philip_> and look for gethostbyname
[2012/01/20 13:07:17] <philip_> and the return codes
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[2012/01/20 13:08:34] <philip_> aeh, disregard
[2012/01/20 13:08:40] <philip_> gethostbyname won't show up hehe
[2012/01/20 13:08:44] <philip_> one sec
[2012/01/20 13:09:22] <philip_> you want to look for connect(...
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[2012/01/20 13:09:30] <philip_> and see what host puppet is trying to connect to
[2012/01/20 13:09:39] <philip_> this will give you a hint for where to look for the mistake
[2012/01/20 13:09:53] <gnat42> philip_: thanks
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[2012/01/20 13:11:43] <philip_> i have the experience that if something doesn't respect the hosts file, there is an error in your hosts file
[2012/01/20 13:11:50] <philip_> this, or nscd/nss configuration
[2012/01/20 13:12:37] <gnat42> philip_: hmm nice - I can see it attempting to get to 64.59.135.143 which isn't one of my IPs
[2012/01/20 13:12:38] <philip_> ... or it has it's own resolver, like mozilla, but i'm pretty sure that's not the case with puppet
[2012/01/20 13:12:50] <gnat42> odd
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[2012/01/20 13:14:19] <philip_> gnat42: ping <puppethost> goes to the right ip?
[2012/01/20 13:14:46] <gnat42> philip_: ping <same.name.as.set.in.puppet.conf> yes
[2012/01/20 13:15:01] <gnat42> uhhh
[2012/01/20 13:15:01] <gnat42> no
[2012/01/20 13:15:03] <gnat42> used to
[2012/01/20 13:15:05] <gnat42> wth
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[2012/01/20 13:16:01] <philip_> paste your /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, and /etc/nsswitch.conf files on nopaste.info if you need help
[2012/01/20 13:16:15] <philip_> s/help/second pair of eyes/
[2012/01/20 13:16:23] <gnat42> philip_: coming right up
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[2012/01/20 13:17:35] <gnat42> nsswitch.conf http://fpaste.org/850B/
[2012/01/20 13:18:12] <philip_> nsswitch looks good
[2012/01/20 13:18:38] <gnat42> found it
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[2012/01/20 13:18:43] <gnat42> typo in hosts
[2012/01/20 13:18:47] <philip_> :))
[2012/01/20 13:18:50] <gnat42> vmScentos vs vmcentos
[2012/01/20 13:18:50] <henk> gnat42: That IP is your providers nameserver btw
[2012/01/20 13:19:11] <gnat42> henk: yeah I saw that, so the connect was a DNS connection not a puppet connection
[2012/01/20 13:19:13] <gnat42> it was trying to resolve
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[2012/01/20 13:19:52] <philip_> i have spent days, literally, debugging a typo in /etc/hosts
[2012/01/20 13:20:25] <gnat42> ok so one last quick question - if you instruct the puppet master to not act as a CA, and a puppet client connects, does the puppet master send the ca cert? or do I have to pre-populate the client with the ca file?
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[2012/01/20 13:20:48] <philip_> gnat42: are you talking about a mongrel setup?
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[2012/01/20 13:21:27] <gnat42> philip_: uhhh not unless mongrel is the default of what is running when I install puppet on centos 5/6
[2012/01/20 13:21:33] <philip_> oh, ok
[2012/01/20 13:21:35] <gnat42> I just do service puppetmaster start
[2012/01/20 13:21:51] <philip_> no, that's webrick i guess
[2012/01/20 13:22:09] <philip_> out of interest, why would you not let puppet be a ca with a default setup?
[2012/01/20 13:22:13] <gnat42> what I'm working on at this point is setting up a central CA since we need certs for puppet and func, as well as some other communication systems
[2012/01/20 13:22:32] <philip_> hm, that's neat
[2012/01/20 13:22:46] <philip_> but tbh, i'd postpone that step after you have puppet and the ca running
[2012/01/20 13:22:53] <gnat42> philip_: I do
[2012/01/20 13:23:00] <gnat42> live deployed at the moment
[2012/01/20 13:23:08] <gnat42> but new reqs for the future
[2012/01/20 13:23:09] <philip_> and yes, you'd need to pre-populate the client with private/public key and the ca crt
[2012/01/20 13:23:46] <philip_> and you probably won't want to use the default puppet master setup, as it uses webrick, and this is a HUGE pita when you have more than five hosts
[2012/01/20 13:23:58] <gnat42> why is that?
[2012/01/20 13:24:08] <gnat42> currently we have 30 odd hosts (not all online at the same time)
[2012/01/20 13:24:14] <philip_> because it can't do more than 2 (or so) concurrent connections
[2012/01/20 13:24:19] <gnat42> oh wow
[2012/01/20 13:24:25] <gnat42> wasn't aware of that
[2012/01/20 13:24:28] <philip_> and you'll have delays, dropped connections, weird heisenbugs
[2012/01/20 13:24:37] <gnat42> though I was testing with up to 7 online at a time
[2012/01/20 13:24:42] <gnat42> didn't notice any issues
[2012/01/20 13:24:49] <philip_> be thankful
[2012/01/20 13:24:52] <gnat42> how do I know if its using webrick?
[2012/01/20 13:25:04] <philip_> if there's no apache running to serve requests
[2012/01/20 13:25:44] <philip_> it very likely is, as the mongrel or passenger setups are non-default, custom stuff
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[2012/01/20 13:27:32] <gnat42> hmm well looking at some docs, setting up mongrel/apache is simple enough
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[2012/01/20 13:28:17] <philip_> gnat42: it is, but it touches on the whole ca issue, so deploying mongrel or passenger will be a good point to switch to a seperate CA
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[2012/01/20 13:32:17] <philip_> can i just say, i'm currently getting my rocks off because i can configure new openvz VEs including their network configuration with puppet
[2012/01/20 13:32:28] <philip_> :3
[2012/01/20 13:33:05] <philip_> for new openvz hardware nodes, i just need to install debian, puppet and configure the puppet host
[2012/01/20 13:33:11] <philip_> nothing else by hand anymore
[2012/01/20 13:33:16] <philip_> \o/
[2012/01/20 13:33:32] <gnat42> nice
[2012/01/20 13:34:07] <philip_> i even found a way to automagically configure dns with pdns and the nsc macro package
[2012/01/20 13:34:16] <philip_> not to speak of icinga, munin, syslog, ...
[2012/01/20 13:34:20] <philip_> i <3 puppet
[2012/01/20 13:35:11] <gnat42> Port: 18143** Ruby version is not up-to-date; loading cgi_multipart_eof_fix is what I'm getting... I presume that's fine since its using some type of fix?
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[2012/01/20 13:35:24] <gnat42> ruby 1.8.5
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[2012/01/20 13:36:33] <gnat42> is there any value in keeping the files within the certificate_requests dir?
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[2012/01/20 13:45:01] <jsm> when puppet changes a service to the running state, does it actually wait until the service is fully initialized ? i'm having a problem with a module that installs postgres, then creates a user. it fails creating a user because i don't think postgres is fully started yet.
[2012/01/20 13:45:33] <gnat42> jsm: my guess is that depends on how the service is started
[2012/01/20 13:45:52] <gnat42> if an initscript returns before postgres is ready to accept connections... then you'd see the behaviour you are describing
[2012/01/20 13:46:10] <jsm> gnat42: yeah... i wonder if i can force a delay some how
[2012/01/20 13:46:19] <gnat42> I think its quite common for startup scripts to return once the process returns, and the process returns before the server is ready
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[2012/01/20 13:46:39] <gnat42> jsm: put some kind of condition that can check before it creates the user?
[2012/01/20 13:46:42] <jsm> i wonder if i can have an exec that does the actual check
[2012/01/20 13:46:45] <gnat42> for a socket or something
[2012/01/20 13:46:53] <jsm> yeah.. maybe a nc
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[2012/01/20 13:47:41] <jsm> gnat42: but how would i force it to wait until the check is passed?
[2012/01/20 13:47:49] <gnat42> jsm: I'm a puppet noob
[2012/01/20 13:48:04] <jsm> that seems procedure, not declarative
[2012/01/20 13:48:08] <jsm> procedural, rather
[2012/01/20 13:48:55] <philip_> gnat42: you want an onlyif => "/bin/test -f /am/i/a/file"
[2012/01/20 13:49:40] <philip_> in this test you could also implement a stall until the service you want is available
[2012/01/20 13:49:49] <the_ramink> jsm: might be simpler to put a sleep 10 in the start or restart parts of the Postgres init script so that the exit code doesn't happen immediately. The idea of a Class[postgres::service'] ~> Class['postgre::wait'] has some merit with user adds requiring the ::wait class.
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[2012/01/20 13:49:54] <philip_> but it sounds to me that you're having an issue with your require chain
[2012/01/20 13:50:07] <jsm> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8244663/puppet-wait-for-a-service-to-be-ready
[2012/01/20 13:50:16] <philip_> ah sorry, jsm
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[2012/01/20 13:51:05] <samkottler1> jsm: you could also just set the resource your are triggering to be notify only, and have the service notify it
[2012/01/20 13:51:08] <philip_> jsm: that solutions sounds a bit whack to me
[2012/01/20 13:51:28] <jsm> yeah it does seem hacky
[2012/01/20 13:51:33] <philip_> if you want a resource like user waiting for the service to come online
[2012/01/20 13:51:43] <philip_> why not use the onlyif?
[2012/01/20 13:51:55] <jsm> how is that going to force a wait ?
[2012/01/20 13:52:04] <jsm> it's just going to skip it
[2012/01/20 13:52:07] <jsm> if it's not ready
[2012/01/20 13:52:11] <philip_> with a command that checks with a timeout
[2012/01/20 13:52:29] <philip_> and if it doesn't work, it'll try again the next puppet run and continue in the depency chain
[2012/01/20 13:52:33] <philip_> *dependency
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[2012/01/20 13:53:20] <philip_> because, you know, it might never work, because there was a full disk, a bad network configuration, the sun too high, ponies in the datacenter, ...
[2012/01/20 13:53:46] <philip_> so (imo) it's not that great of an idea to wait endlessly within puppet resources
[2012/01/20 13:54:35] <jsm> yeah, but i'm guessing it should always be less than 30 seconds
[2012/01/20 13:55:52] <philip_> i really think this should be a dependency
[2012/01/20 13:55:59] <philip_> if you wait 30 seconds and it doesn't work out
[2012/01/20 13:56:22] <philip_> what happens in the next puppet run? the database gets re-initialized, and again you wait for 30s for it to not work?
[2012/01/20 13:57:12] <philip_> imo that case is one of the best reasons i use puppet ... if something didn't work out, puppet takes care of it by continuing were you left off
[2012/01/20 13:57:47] <philip_> with waiting for something that might not happen within a resource, you practically circumvent one of the advantages of puppet
[2012/01/20 13:58:14] <philip_> and make your puppetruns slow as molasses\
[2012/01/20 13:58:32] <philip_> *even slower
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[2012/01/20 14:00:01] <philip_> but the SO example actually does it correctly, it doesn't actually wait per se, but tries to connect before proceeding
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[2012/01/20 14:00:07] <philip_> disregard my rant
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[2012/01/20 14:16:37] <evaryont> I'm learning puppet, but in the BEST way ever: on a real, live network! I'm scared to push out my changes, is there a way to locally introspect various settings on a given node without really applying them? Sort of like a `--dry-run`?
[2012/01/20 14:16:48] <Dewin> --noop
[2012/01/20 14:17:27] <Dewin> I think there may still be a couple sideffects -- 'onlyif' and 'unless' commands to exec may run still I think. But those commands shouldn't have side effects anyways.
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[2012/01/20 14:19:03] <Dewin> My text editor (Notepad++) doesn't support puppet's language for syntax highlighting, so my attempt is to find something similar. Is anything more similar than ruby's syntax?
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[2012/01/20 14:20:09] <dpittman> Dewin: Not really, no. If you wrote a syntax highlighting thing for it and published it we would totally send you a free t-shirt and a book or something like that.
[2012/01/20 14:20:19] * dpittman will shamelessly bribe you for that
[2012/01/20 14:21:33] <evaryont> well that's an incentive :-P
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[2012/01/20 14:21:43] <Dewin> This is an intriguing offer. Of course, I've never tried doing that level of customization in Notepad++.
[2012/01/20 14:22:04] <Dewin> I'm usually more annoyed because every so often it fails to load one its user settings xml files and wipes it.
[2012/01/20 14:22:11] <ohadlevy> Dewin: or use vim :)
[2012/01/20 14:22:13] <Dewin> and then I go back to yucky black-on-white non-zenburn color scheme.
[2012/01/20 14:22:20] <dpittman> Dewin (...or anyone else) - just email me or ping me here, and I will do that. :)
[2012/01/20 14:22:47] <Dewin> I imagine I can probably use the ruby syntax highlighting as a good starting point
[2012/01/20 14:25:45] <the_ramink> Dewin: might simpler to start with the puppet.vim syntax file and just reproduce what's already defined there.
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[2012/01/20 14:33:26] <rodjek> i'm with the "or use vim" sentiment
[2012/01/20 14:34:03] <Dewin> Yeah, but then I don't get to hack on something and get a free t-shirt :-p
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[2012/01/20 14:34:29] <rodjek> a valid point
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[2012/01/20 14:36:09] <gnat42> sooo - how do you automatically transition puppet clients to a new CA system? obviously I can create rules for adding the ca.pem file, however they'd still need to generate new requests to get signed... is this doable with puppet or I need something else?
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[2012/01/20 14:48:52] <Hunner> gnat42: Perhaps the dns_alt_names migration stuff would help you? http://puppetlabs.com/security/cve/cve-2011-3872/
[2012/01/20 14:51:21] <gnat42> Hunner: thank you very much this does indeed look useful
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[2012/01/20 15:00:26] <Dewin> dpittman: Well, it looked simple... and then I realized that I'd actually have to create a lexer for scintilla.
[2012/01/20 15:00:34] <dpittman> Dewin: :)
[2012/01/20 15:00:50] <Dewin> The good news is... it's scintilla, so it'd probably extend it to other text editors (scite, etc.)
[2012/01/20 15:01:15] <dpittman> Dewin: *nod* Also, possibly worth hunting down other editors in the same set and see if any of them have a syntax already. :)
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[2012/01/20 15:06:56] <Dewin> Doesn't look likely, considering I just did a quick search for LexPuppet.cxx with zero results and I'm sure Google would have indexed a source code repository with it somewhere.
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[2012/01/20 15:07:39] <Dewin> this looks like at least a two t-shirt job.
[2012/01/20 15:07:47] <Dewin> ;)
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[2012/01/20 15:11:32] <rodjek> Dewin: I'd bargain for some beer as well
[2012/01/20 15:11:49] <tangledhelix> anybody ever seen this? /etc/group: foogroup::1234:joe,bob,dan,bob,joe (repeated users)
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[2012/01/20 15:12:31] <tangledhelix> not finding anything in bugtracker...
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[2012/01/20 15:13:40] <Dewin> rodjek: I'm one of those crazy people that doesn't actually like beer. :-p
[2012/01/20 15:14:07] <Dewin> Besides, then it'd be free as in beer instead of free as in speech.
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[2012/01/20 15:15:16] <evaryont> a clairification from the docs, please: I have: class a { $foo = "bar" ... }; node www.q { $foo = "baz"; include a} -- I shouldn't expect $foo to be baz, since it's immediately set in the class?
[2012/01/20 15:17:00] <rodjek> Dewin: weirdo ;)
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[2012/01/20 15:24:27] <evaryont> to restate: class yaggy { $foo = "bar" } node razor { $foo = "waz"; include yaggy; echo $foo } -- $foo would be 'bar', not 'waz'; am I correct?
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[2012/01/20 15:26:03] <pbuckley> evaryont: like confusing yourself?
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[2012/01/20 15:30:56] <rodjek> evaryont: save yourself some pain and just don't do that
[2012/01/20 15:31:48] <rodjek> if you really want to continue down this path of inevitable pain, read up on how puppet's scoping works first http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/scope_and_puppet.html
[2012/01/20 15:32:16] <pbuckley> ^^
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[2012/01/20 15:37:34] <evaryont> heh
[2012/01/20 15:39:59] <evaryont> I don't plan on it, but if I were to be so silly and continue, I should expect (in a 'perfect world') $foo to be over written within the class (since it's in the same scope)
[2012/01/20 15:40:41] <pbuckley> didn't your college proffesor teach you to not overload variable names
[2012/01/20 15:43:21] <evaryont> yep, but he's an asshole so no one listens to him ^.^
[2012/01/20 15:43:35] <evaryont> (yay stubborn scottish blood.)
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[2012/01/20 15:58:21] <thoraxe> anyone from puppetlabs on? i wanted to talk about sponsoring puppet camp
[2012/01/20 15:58:35] <dpittman> thoraxe: I can grab the right person for you, give me a moment.
[2012/01/20 15:58:53] <ghanima> does anyone use jmxtrans with graphite
[2012/01/20 15:59:40] <thoraxe> dpittman: i just emailed info@ -- can you ask that person to respond to my email?
[2012/01/20 15:59:59] <dpittman> thoraxe: So, Jose, who looks after than isn't available right now. Drop him an email at `jose@puppetlabs.com`, but I will also send him a note that you sent something to info@ :)
[2012/01/20 16:00:15] <thoraxe> dpittman: i'll just resend ;)
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[2012/01/20 16:00:32] <thoraxe> dpittman: thanks!
[2012/01/20 16:00:36] <dpittman> thoraxe: Awesome. It would get to him anyhow, I expect, but that puts you right in touch with the right person. No problem.
[2012/01/20 16:00:41] <dpittman> thoraxe: We should be thanking you. ;)
[2012/01/20 16:02:48] <thoraxe> dpittman: well, thanking red hat, assuming we can get credit for the small sponsorship in some way:P
[2012/01/20 16:03:03] <trthwck> Hi, I'm trying to set up a windows client and red hat puppet master. Trying to define a file with a windows file location (c:/) gives an error that reliatve urls cant be used
[2012/01/20 16:04:15] <trthwck> I see a bug, #8658 on windows locations being used in the file source, but I'm still seeing the error on the file itself. Anyone tried much with windows?
[2012/01/20 16:04:15] <gepetto> trthwck: #8658 is http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/show/8658 "Puppet - Bug #8658: The file source parameter does not accept Windows paths. It has a status of Closed and is assigned to Jacob Helwig"
[2012/01/20 16:05:09] <dpittman> thoraxe: We certainly reward sponsorship. So, yeah, we totally would thank them. Publicly ;)
[2012/01/20 16:05:46] <trthwck> gepetto: right, my file source is on the redhat master and is a *nix path, but I'm trying to copy it to a windows location (c:/...)
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[2012/01/20 16:54:40] <mbrannigan> I'm getting this error during a sync from a agent - err: /File[/var/lib/puppet/lib]: Could not evaluate: Could not retrieve information from environment production source(s) puppet://puppetserver/plugins
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[2012/01/20 16:54:53] <mbrannigan> I have [plugins] allow * in my fileserver.conf
[2012/01/20 16:55:02] <mbrannigan> /var/lib/puppet/lib exists
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[2012/01/20 16:57:18] <pbuckley> check file permisions?
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[2012/01/20 16:57:52] <mbrannigan> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 20 14:54 lib
[2012/01/20 16:57:59] <mbrannigan> that should be fine
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[2012/01/20 17:07:17] <rmt_> mbrannigan, is [production] a valid environment?
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[2012/01/20 17:07:31] <mbrannigan> yeah
[2012/01/20 17:07:38] <mbrannigan> if i don't sync plugins, it's all happy
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[2012/01/20 17:08:34] <the_ramink> mbrannigan: permissions on the master side?
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[2012/01/20 17:09:37] <mbrannigan> the_ramink, i set both puppetmaster and agent to this: drwxr-xr-x 3 puppet puppet 4096 Jan 20 16:01 lib
[2012/01/20 17:09:50] <mbrannigan> that's /var/lib/puppet/lib
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[2012/01/20 17:11:53] <the_ramink> mbrannigan: might be a bit more complex that if you're serving facts out of various modules. I think bad permissions on say modules/haproxy/lib/puppet/facter/version_haproxy.rb might cause similar issues.
[2012/01/20 17:13:02] <mbrannigan> on the master, modulepath for [master] is set to modulepath = /usr/local/puppet/environments/$environment/modules
[2012/01/20 17:13:15] <mbrannigan> that's where i'm putting my custom ones for ssh, etc.
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[2012/01/20 17:14:37] <mbrannigan> i have other directories for staging and development
[2012/01/20 17:14:48] <mbrannigan> is that causing the issue?
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[2012/01/20 17:17:57] <mbrannigan> the_ramink, running in debugm mode, i'm seeing this: info: Could not find filesystem info for file 'plugins' in environment production
[2012/01/20 17:17:57] <mbrannigan> info: Could not find file_metadata for 'plugins'
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[2012/01/20 17:56:26] <mbrannigan> anyone ever get a "Host puppetclient is already running" when running puppet kick?
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[2012/01/20 17:59:47] <scoates> is there a way for me to require a different class's service?
[2012/01/20 18:00:24] <scoates> (ie, in class "db", I want to require => Service["mongodb"], which is defined in class "mongodb")
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[2012/01/20 18:03:04] <the_ramink> scoates: that works as long as the mongodb module is included in the node
[2012/01/20 18:03:55] <mbrannigan> the exit code for puppet kick is 3
[2012/01/20 18:05:19] <scoates> the_ramink: it just says it can't find it; I must be doing something wrong; I just wondered if it's possible at all.
[2012/01/20 18:05:38] <pbuckley> scoates: i have done that in the past and had it work fine
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[2012/01/20 18:07:24] <the_ramink> scoates: I'd make sure you have the name of the service right and that the node is loading your mongodb class, maybe check /var/lib/puppet/state/classes.txt on the client to make sure the right classes are there.
[2012/01/20 18:07:52] <scoates> I have class mongodb { … service { "mongodb": … } … } (a module); my local db class does "include mongod;" then has an exec that requires Service["mongodb"]. I get: "Could not find dependency Service[mongodb] for Exec[gimmebar-populate-db]" ; it does install mongo properly (if I comment out the exec); it just doesn't do the exec because it fails on the service
[2012/01/20 18:08:16] <scoates> maybe a class name conflict? class gimmebar::vm::mongodb inherits gimmebar::mongodb <-- does that matter?
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[2012/01/20 18:09:23] <the_ramink> scoates: time to pastie.org up the code and errrors so we can really see what's going on.
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[2012/01/20 18:09:56] <scoates> I'll rearrange a little to make it simpler (and I'll ensure I didn't accidentally fix it (-: )
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[2012/01/20 18:16:43] <scoates> ok. here: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/e6665b2234120e687d60240881834a12.txt
[2012/01/20 18:16:48] <scoates> the_ramink ^
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[2012/01/20 18:17:20] <the_ramink> you know, pastie.org has syntax highlighting for a reason. :(
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[2012/01/20 18:17:44] <scoates> I can move it over there if it's really a problem
[2012/01/20 18:17:56] <the_ramink> nah, just giving you a hard time.
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[2012/01/20 18:27:28] <the_ramink> scoates: hmmm nothing looks wrong, try include ::mongodb in class gimmebar::mongodb
[2012/01/20 18:28:12] <scoates> the_ramink: well, the include works if I comment out the exec; will that make a difference?
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[2012/01/20 18:28:15] <scoates> (I'll try it anyway)
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[2012/01/20 18:29:33] <scoates> hmm
[2012/01/20 18:29:43] <scoates> that appears to have done it. scope is hard! (-:
[2012/01/20 18:29:47] <scoates> thanks, the_ramink
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[2012/01/20 18:31:37] <the_ramink> scoates: no problem. I'm a bit surprised that fixed it, but Puppet scoping is a bit odd. Best to err towards more explicit given a choice.
[2012/01/20 18:31:59] <scoates> yep. I don't mind; I added a comment to help future generations (-:
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[2012/01/20 19:16:05] <nitram_macair> hey all whats the status of Hiera, I relize its beeing pulled in to puppet core. Am i going to shoot my self in the foot if I were to start using it now?
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[2012/01/20 19:30:52] <Volcane> nitram_macair: being pulled into core probably suggests its long term viable and you wont?
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[2012/01/20 19:44:09] <scoates> is there an easy way for me to get puppet to tell me which actual commands it's running (e.g. when I get "notice: /Stage[main]/Gimmebar::Vm::Nfs/Service[nfs-kernel-server]: Triggered 'refresh' from 1 events")
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[2012/01/20 19:44:48] <scoates> (nfs isn't restarting properly, here, it seems, and I'm trying to debug)
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[2012/01/20 19:46:27] <mbrannigan> has anyone run into puppet kick exiting with code 3 on CentOS 5.6 (kernel 2.6.18-238.28.1.el5), ruby-1.8.7-p357, puppet 2.7.9?
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[2012/01/20 19:52:49] <pipegeek> Is it possible to make a type that extends another type? It looks like the :parent => argument takes a classname
[2012/01/20 19:53:01] <pipegeek> err, 'scuse me, a class
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[2012/01/20 20:00:08] <pipegeek> Is there a reason that specifying :parent => Puppet::Type.type 'myparent' wouldn't work?
[2012/01/20 20:04:24] <pipegeek> humph.
[2012/01/20 20:04:32] <pipegeek> It looks like it works, but the properties aren't inherited
[2012/01/20 20:04:56] <pipegeek> is there then no way to make a derived type?
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[2012/01/20 20:21:37] <czervik> hey guys real new to puppet is there a way to to supply a source for a file that's a url and provide credentials (e.g a config file from a subversion repository over https)
[2012/01/20 20:23:27] <czervik> if not I guess I can just make a cron job that pulls it down and puts it on a local mount point
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[2012/01/20 20:24:42] <spleeyah> hi, i'm passing in an array of [["foo", "bar"], ["bar", "baz"]] to a template, and I want to be able to loop over the outer array and then access the inner items as like a[0] and a[1]
[2012/01/20 20:24:57] <spleeyah> what I would really like is an array of tuples... but i coudln't find a way to do that. is there?
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[2012/01/20 20:25:44] <spleeyah> right now I have <% foo.each do |a| %> <%= foo[0] %> <%= foo[1] %> <% end %>, but it doesn't work as expected.
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[2012/01/20 20:25:48] <spleeyah> err
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[2012/01/20 20:25:53] <spleeyah> a[0] and a[1] **
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[2012/01/20 20:28:04] <pipegeek> put differently: is there any way to make a type which extends the behavior of another type, either through inheritence or by some other means?
[2012/01/20 20:28:21] <Dewin> inherits() will copy variables from it at the very least.
[2012/01/20 20:28:28] <Dewin> well, no parenthesis
[2012/01/20 20:29:29] <Dewin> That's how I do most of mine, I have class foo ($option, $option, $option) and all's it does is instantiate class foo::packages, foo::files and foo::services in the correct order.
[2012/01/20 20:29:58] <spleeyah> Dewin: are you talking to me or somebody else
[2012/01/20 20:30:11] <Dewin> pipegeek:
[2012/01/20 20:30:22] <pipegeek> Dewin: I'm not talking about puppet manifests and puppet classes
[2012/01/20 20:30:31] <pipegeek> Dewin: I'm saying if I want to make a new resource type in ruby
[2012/01/20 20:30:44] <Dewin> Oh. This is what I get for catching the tail end of the conversation.
[2012/01/20 20:30:45] <pipegeek> Dewin: and I want it to be almost identical to an existing type, but modify its behavior somewhat
[2012/01/20 20:30:47] <pipegeek> am I sol?
[2012/01/20 20:30:57] <spleeyah> is there such thing as a tuple in puppet ?
[2012/01/20 20:31:01] <pipegeek> it doesn't seem like there's an easy way to do this
[2012/01/20 20:31:19] <Dewin> pipegeek: I know nothing about the ruby side of things, but I know there's a tutorial on making new resource types somewhere.
[2012/01/20 20:33:10] <pipegeek> yeah. I'm looking at it. Unfortunately doesn't mention inheritence
[2012/01/20 20:33:16] <pipegeek> thanks Dewin
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[2012/01/20 20:39:46] <scoates> I'd like to turn up the verbosity of puppet (agent) to tell me exactly which commands it's running. is this possible?
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[2012/01/20 20:46:27] <choonming> scoates, i think you can use --debug for that
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[2012/01/20 20:49:14] <scoates> choonming: thanks!
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[2012/01/20 20:53:11] <scoates> aha.
[2012/01/20 20:53:16] <scoates> debug: /Stage[main]/Gimmebar::Vm::Nfs/Service[nfs-kernel-server]: Skipping restart; service is not running
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[2012/01/20 20:53:29] <scoates> is there a way for me to force that to start even if it's not running (on notify)
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[2012/01/20 20:55:36] <choonming> scoates, ensure => running doesnt work for you?
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[2012/01/20 20:55:57] <scoates> trying that. I had enable, but not ensure
[2012/01/20 20:57:27] <choonming> this might come in handy for you http://docs.puppetlabs.com/references/stable/type.html#service
[2012/01/20 20:58:26] <scoates> yep. thanks. ensure did it.
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[2012/01/20 21:59:24] <gepetto> ::redmine:: Wiki edit: Triageathon (#12) @ http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Triageathon?version=12 (by James Turnbull)
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[2012/01/20 22:19:51] <kerouac> is passenger + nginx a bad idea for production use?
[2012/01/20 22:20:00] <kerouac> seems it's not supported, amirite?
[2012/01/20 22:21:56] <the_ramink> kerouac: it's fine. I think there are more docs for Apache/Passenger, but ngnix should be fine. Helps to have a bit of knowledge about how Passenger and Rack apps work.
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[2012/01/20 22:22:36] <linux00002> i am trying to install puppet on OpenIndiana, and I used to be able to get the solaris package from codenursery.com. Is the site not operational anymore?
[2012/01/20 22:22:42] <linux00002> or where can i get a solaris package?
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[2012/01/20 22:26:40] <kerouac> thanks, the_ramink
[2012/01/20 22:28:01] <linux00002> anyone?
[2012/01/20 22:28:26] <rodjek> linux00002: according to the wiki, the best place to grab puppet packages for solaris is opencsw.org
[2012/01/20 22:29:10] <rodjek> http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Puppet_Solaris
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